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Danoff
I was right on the money in 2014.

I would have liked something new and original instead of a re-do of episodes 4-6.
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Except not really. Does The Force Awakens have callbacks to the original trilogy? Yeah and you won't find a person that'll doubt that unless they've never seen the original trilogy, but I wouldn't call it a re-do by any means.
 
FoolKiller
Boba used the Empire as a weapon to claim a bounty for Jabba. Boba brought the economic might of the empire to bear on Lando's mining contracts. Lando then turned the group, not Han specifically, over to Vader, who was chasing Luke.

Let me rephrase it: Boba Fett is the only bounty hunter to collect a bounty on Han Solo, because he had the cunning to manipulate the full economic and political force of a galactic empirical government into doing his bidding. He had the second most powerful man in the galaxy working with him to meet his own means, and gave the empire the information to nearly crush the leadership of a large, organized rebellion.

After Boba Fett had his bounty Vader lost his prisoners and only had the opportunity to grab Luke when Luke turned himself in. In fact, the only time Vader ever managed a face-to-face encounter with his enemies, that didn't involve Boba, were when they came to him.

If anything, all the successes Vader had in Empire are due to Boba Fett.
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Terronium-12
Except not really. Does The Force Awakens have callbacks to the original trilogy? Yeah and you won't find a person that'll doubt that unless they've never seen the original trilogy, but I wouldn't call it a re-do by any means.
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I felt like I was re-watching the originals. A cleaned-up, warmed over, improved-upon version of the originals.
 
FINALLY saw it on Saturday, 4 days later than originally intended.

I approached the film with an almost religious no spoiler policy, then.... someone mentioned Han Solo death and I was like "🤬". Anyway I approached the film with a open mind. To me the order of films from best to worst was 5-4-6-3-1-2 (don't get me started on "Attack Of The Galactic Senate"), and I was apprehensive. Didn't expect anything special, or especially bad. Also I had almost zero knowledge of the Expanded Universe.

And yet... i'm impressed. The film was going to struggle a little due to having to link up with VI and set up two more films, but I thought it got handled especially well. I feared the introduction of Han, Chewie, Leia and other old faces (Nien Numb! Admiral Ackbar! C3PO! R2-D2!) was going to be little more than a tip of the hat to nostalgia with no real significance. I was wrong. It was handled very well I thought and provided a nice connection to the original trilogy.

I'll go through characters here. Firstly Finn. I was totally confused at first how a stormtrooper would end up with the Rebel--- sorry Resistance, but it was handled pretty well. Interesting that in a throwaway line Kylo Ren threatens his officer with re-introducing the clones. How long has the Empi--- sorry, First Order been training troops? How long does it take? If genetically modified and bred for war, why is he out of all other troops decide to defect?

Ray. Became a very likeable character. Nice touch establishing her skills in hand to hand combat where Finn amusingly finds out she doesn't need any help. But, how does Luke's saber call to her? Can't be just because she touched it. Is there some parallel with Luke having trained Jedi? Was she an old learner / apprentice? How does someone living on there own like that get such formidable hand to hand fighting skills? What happened to her family? I also take issue with her seemingly being able to use the force incredibly well very quickly... unless she has prior knowledge. But even then, she doubts herself early on in the Falcon when they meet Han and Chewie that the Force was real, or the Jedi, or the Dark Side? And how is she such a good pilot? Able to fly the Falcon solo fending off two TIES? And how does she also know Leia? There greeting at the end of the film wasn't one of people meeting for the first time.

Han. So I knew he was going... ~grumble~ but had no idea he would have a son centre of the story. You can tell the years took a toll on Han, and what happened to his son truly affected him. He even lost the Falcon, and that ship was like his baby in the original series... and his reunion with Leia I did find emotional. It was a different kind of love, far from the soppy kissing Hollywood love we often see in films, and felt more like two old friends re-uniting. The emotion felt almost real to me when he embraced Leia coming back. However, Leia has a plot hole / question with me... in the trailer, she is shown being handed Luke's lightsaber. Obviously cut from the final film, but why was she being handed it? Wasn't it supposed to be safe with Maz? And how would it be found? Which brings me to another point - how Luke reacts to Ray presenting him the lightsaber. It's a blank look from Luke, not like he was shocked, surprised... did he know Rey would come?

Captain Phasma, under-used to hell? From the look of the trailers she was teased as a character perhaps to be a genuine baddie in the limelight... yet her only role is to lower the shields? Under-used much? And why would be she so compliant with doing so? Saying it's a mistake, whilst denying the First Order certain victory? And after she does that she isn't heard from again. She doesn't even put up a fight, why? Genuinely bizarre and I suspect more to come.

And Kylo Ren. Well... he could have been crafted as a Darth Vader fanboy. Happily he escaped that mould. But how did he get Darths mask? It was burned on Endor, and how would he have knowledge of its whereabouts? Kylo wasn't even conceived at the time of VI, and it would have taken him years, until at least teenage training years (think II Anakin) to do it? Also, just how powerful is Kylo? He seems incredibly strong with the force, and a very good swordsman. We see him take a shot from Chewies bowcaster (which was proven earlier in the film to function like a darn grenade launcher!) and still beats down Finn with ease and drives back Ray with ease.

How strong is his armour for him to withstand a lightsaber slash as well? Yet at the same time, how is his lightsaber, arguably, that weak? He smashes a few electronics first, sure. But he slashes Finn down his back and doesn't even kill him? If that was anyone else's lightsaber surely Finn would be split in half almost - we all know Lucas liked lopping off limbs. And... who managed to get Kylo a red saber? He was trained at the new Temple Luke created, sure. But how does he get it as a sith weapon, and even more crucially, how did he join the First Order, or seek them out? Were they common knowledge? The Republic was re-formed but never directly confronting the First Order, with Leia's Resistance almost an intermediate force created between the two.

And a final few notes. I'll probably remember more and and answer some of these questions above on a second viewing... but... How did R2 D2 know when to re-activate? And who took the map the First Order had from the Jedi Archives? Kylo? And how did one piece end up with BB-8?

So many questions, yet such a enjoyable film. To me this is a solid 4th, behind VI for me. On a second viewing, may even go above it.
 
JKgo
...Looks like I should re-watch the original trilogy after all - I can't remember much, other than few snippets here and there.

I always had this impression Fett was a character Lucas came up on a whim, something like a throwaway Boogeyman of sorts for one single film.
And him dying in such a comical way didn't help...
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Fett was one of a series of bounty hunters that Vader contracted. Felt was the only successful one of the group. And if you take the Tales of the Bounty Hunters as canon, then he eliminated any of the others that got close.

As for dying...he got better. In one of the books, might also be Tales of the Bounty Hunters, he escapes the sarlac pit (one of very few to ever escape a sarlac) and goes on to be an old man, where he once again catches up to old Han and after finding themselves with guns drawn and at a standoff decide to recognize each other as worthy adversaries and go their own ways.

Also, keep in mind that Fett was known well enough that Han knew him by name (he uses it during the sarlac pit battle).

So, yeah, he got taken out in a fairly weak way, but it was due to him not seeing the blind man as nearly threatening as the Jedi and turning his back on Han while he was flailing around uselessly. He did manage to get Luke tied up first.

Danoff
I felt like I was re-watching the originals. A cleaned-up, warmed over, improved-upon version of the originals.
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I suspect this was on purpose. It was as if they sent a giant message that said, "We heard you after the prequels."

Furinkazen
How did R2 D2 know when to re-activate?
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Because the plot required it The Force flows through everything and told him to wake up.
 
Danoff
I felt like I was re-watching the originals. A cleaned-up, warmed over, improved-upon version of the originals.
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By all accounts I'm certain that's exactly what they were going for. It borrows so many elements from the OG trilogy (some more outright than others no doubt) because it's continuing where they've all left off. Again, you won't find a person that's seen the originals to argue your point because you have one - hell, we've all practically said the same things already - but I also feel it was necessary for not only veterans but the lifeline of the franchise itself.

I think it does an excellent job of telling its own story all the while assuring us that this is continuing the Star Wars us older folk grew up with.

Furinkazen
FINALLY saw it on Saturday, 4 days later than originally intended.

I approached the film with an almost religious no spoiler policy, then.... someone mentioned Han Solo death and I was like "🤬". Anyway I approached the film with a open mind. To me the order of films from best to worst was 5-4-6-3-1-2 (don't get me started on "Attack Of The Galactic Senate"), and I was apprehensive. Didn't expect anything special, or especially bad. Also I had almost zero knowledge of the Expanded Universe.

And yet... i'm impressed. The film was going to struggle a little due to having to link up with VI and set up two more films, but I thought it got handled especially well. I feared the introduction of Han, Chewie, Leia and other old faces (Nien Numb! Admiral Ackbar! C3PO! R2-D2!) was going to be little more than a tip of the hat to nostalgia with no real significance. I was wrong. It was handled very well I thought and provided a nice connection to the original trilogy.

I'll go through characters here. Firstly Finn. I was totally confused at first how a stormtrooper would end up with the Rebel--- sorry Resistance, but it was handled pretty well. Interesting that in a throwaway line Kylo Ren threatens his officer with re-introducing the clones. How long has the Empi--- sorry, First Order been training troops? How long does it take? If genetically modified and bred for war, why is he out of all other troops decide to defect?

Ray. Became a very likeable character. Nice touch establishing her skills in hand to hand combat where Finn amusingly finds out she doesn't need any help. But, how does Luke's saber call to her? Can't be just because she touched it. Is there some parallel with Luke having trained Jedi? Was she an old learner / apprentice? How does someone living on there own like that get such formidable hand to hand fighting skills? What happened to her family? I also take issue with her seemingly being able to use the force incredibly well very quickly... unless she has prior knowledge. But even then, she doubts herself early on in the Falcon when they meet Han and Chewie that the Force was real, or the Jedi, or the Dark Side? And how is she such a good pilot? Able to fly the Falcon solo fending off two TIES? And how does she also know Leia? There greeting at the end of the film wasn't one of people meeting for the first time.

Han. So I knew he was going... ~grumble~ but had no idea he would have a son centre of the story. You can tell the years took a toll on Han, and what happened to his son truly affected him. He even lost the Falcon, and that ship was like his baby in the original series... and his reunion with Leia I did find emotional. It was a different kind of love, far from the soppy kissing Hollywood love we often see in films, and felt more like two old friends re-uniting. The emotion felt almost real to me when he embraced Leia coming back. However, Leia has a plot hole / question with me... in the trailer, she is shown being handed Luke's lightsaber. Obviously cut from the final film, but why was she being handed it? Wasn't it supposed to be safe with Maz? And how would it be found? Which brings me to another point - how Luke reacts to Ray presenting him the lightsaber. It's a blank look from Luke, not like he was shocked, surprised... did he know Rey would come?

Captain Phasma, under-used to hell? From the look of the trailers she was teased as a character perhaps to be a genuine baddie in the limelight... yet her only role is to lower the shields? Under-used much? And why would be she so compliant with doing so? Saying it's a mistake, whilst denying the First Order certain victory? And after she does that she isn't heard from again. She doesn't even put up a fight, why? Genuinely bizarre and I suspect more to come.

And Kylo Ren. Well... he could have been crafted as a Darth Vader fanboy. Happily he escaped that mould. But how did he get Darths mask? It was burned on Endor, and how would he have knowledge of its whereabouts? Kylo wasn't even conceived at the time of VI, and it would have taken him years, until at least teenage training years (think II Anakin) to do it? Also, just how powerful is Kylo? He seems incredibly strong with the force, and a very good swordsman. We see him take a shot from Chewies bowcaster (which was proven earlier in the film to function like a darn grenade launcher!) and still beats down Finn with ease and drives back Ray with ease.

How strong is his armour for him to withstand a lightsaber slash as well? Yet at the same time, how is his lightsaber, arguably, that weak? He smashes a few electronics first, sure. But he slashes Finn down his back and doesn't even kill him? If that was anyone else's lightsaber surely Finn would be split in half almost - we all know Lucas liked lopping off limbs. And... who managed to get Kylo a red saber? He was trained at the new Temple Luke created, sure. But how does he get it as a sith weapon, and even more crucially, how did he join the First Order, or seek them out? Were they common knowledge? The Republic was re-formed but never directly confronting the First Order, with Leia's Resistance almost an intermediate force created between the two.

And a final few notes. I'll probably remember more and and answer some of these questions above on a second viewing... but... How did R2 D2 know when to re-activate? And who took the map the First Order had from the Jedi Archives? Kylo? And how did one piece end up with BB-8?

So many questions, yet such a enjoyable film. To me this is a solid 4th, behind VI for me. On a second viewing, may even go above it.
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Jumping straight to Finn, I do remember something of an off-handed comment he made while talking to Ray (?) stating he was taken from his family. I'm guessing, without knowing more than what's presented on-screen, that he was always going to rebel. As for Ray it is something of a plothole but at the same time we just don't know enough at the moment to make a conclusion.

I'm currently sticking with evidence provided throughout the movie: 1. Kylo was torn in several different directions and as a result didn't really have his foot firmly planted on one side or the other. He did things that were considerably Dark Side but he's conflicted, thus emotionally compromised to a degree. 2. He underestimated Rey. He hadn't been challenged by anyone with the force for what we can presume to be years - at least the amount of the time elapsed from the ending of RotJ, more or less.

As for your Vader-related questions: First Order Ex Machina. As far as his lightsaber, it's unstable so much so that it's been presented that his might just be a fair bit more deadly as a result. Now as for why Finn isn't dead it depends on how deep he was cut (I'm over-analyzing a killing stroke from a lightsaber :lol: ). As things look I'm left to assume Finn will have some kind of cybernetic implant alongside his spine because there's next to no way he didn't suffer severe trauma from that. Should he be dead? Probably.

I can't remember if this is mentioned but the precursor to the First Order was him joining the Knights of Ren. I can't remember exact details on that but I do remember his name surfacing from that venture.
 
@Furinkazen to add to my early bit...

This entire movie is based on the idea that everyone was guided to act somehow. Four coincidences occur up to the point that we meet Han and Chewie.

  1. Poe gets shot down on Jakku.
  2. BB-8 randomly runs into the one salvager that won't sell him.
  3. Rey and BB-8 see Finn, who just happens to be wearing Poe's jacket, causing BB-8 to approach/attack him.
  4. The Millenium Falcon just happens to be in the ownership of the salvage dealer Rey works with.
This doesn't count the stuff about Rey's sudden expertise at flying and that BB-8 just believes Finn with zero evidence.

Then add in the fifth coincidence: Han and Chewie just happen to have just arrived at Jakku just as Rey and Finn exit the atmosphere. 30 minutes later and they would have been gone. 30 minutes earlier and they'd have been heading down to search Jakku.

That is five coincidences that had to happen in order for the story to even really begin.

Now, some would call that weak writing while others will fall back on The Force ex machina.

So, having that knowledge and adding in things like just happening upon the one place in the entire galaxy that holds Luke's lightsaber, does R2 waking up at just the right moment really seem far-fetched?


The fact is that there are a lot of problems with this film, especially in the writing, but it did all the right things that a Star Wars film should do.

And then, just for the laughs:
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FoolKiller
So, having that knowledge and adding in things like just happening upon the one place in the entire galaxy that holds Luke's lightsaber, does R2 waking up at just the right moment really seem far-fetched?
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I have a feeling that he's tuned in to Luke's lightsaber somehow. When Rey landed at the Resistance base with it, he woke up. Either that or he's tuned in to the force and her presence was the switch, but that doesn't seem as plausible as the saber theory.
 
R1600Turbo
I have a feeling that he's tuned in to Luke's lightsaber somehow. When Rey landed at the Resistance base with it, he woke up. Either that or he's tuned in to the force and her presence was the switch, but that doesn't seem as plausible as the saber theory.
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She went to the Rebellion base twice after she got it, once before the battle and once after.
 
FoolKiller
She went to the Rebellion base twice after she got it, once before the battle and once after.
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Yup, that's a big one... and one that the scriptwriters *cough* Abrahms and Lucas included *cough* could have handled better.

I think what's more telling is that Luke left R2D2 with an exactly incomplete map... relying on the missing USB flash drive to somehow find its way back to the rebellion, floating around and exchanging hands where the First Order might get their grubby mitts on it... instead of leaving everything with R2, who's tucked away safe and sound AT REBEL HEADQUARTERS.

Also... why do they need the rest of the damn map? The final location is on BB8's portion of the map! That's a star chart of a galaxy that they lived in, and presumably have maps for, since they could call on the old Republic archives, now being aligned with the Galactic Senate against the remnants of the Empire. A search algorithm could simply plot that piece of the map against known stars until it found a match.

There are only a few things in the movie that had me banging my head (metaphorically) against the table. That was one of them.

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Personally, I would have had it that BB8's map was galaxy-sized, and only contained a few stars, and that it would fit into the holes of R2's charts exactly. Having the maps overlay each other... and the portion showing Luke's location on a piece that would make no sense whatsoever without the context of the rest of the map... would have made a whole lot more sense to anyone over the age of eight.
 
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It's still a big galaxy. Wandering from planet-to-planet, system-by-system would still take centuries even with magical soft-Sci-Fi technology.

But yes, the entire map seemed a bit inconsequential, though having "lost it" would have made sense had the Republic been in serious decay, or had the Empire decided extensive knowledge of the Galaxy was not necessary for the sheeples.

Also, the First Order are straight-up Nazis, that's why. General Hux's speech gave me the creeps.
 
FoolKiller
@Furinkazen to add to my early bit...

So, having that knowledge and adding in things like just happening upon the one place in the entire galaxy that holds Luke's lightsaber, does R2 waking up at just the right moment really seem far-fetched?
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R1600Turbo
I have a feeling that he's tuned in to Luke's lightsaber somehow. When Rey landed at the Resistance base with it, he woke up. Either that or he's tuned in to the force and her presence was the switch, but that doesn't seem as plausible as the saber theory.
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I think I posted a similar article a few weeks back, but this one explains R2's awakening better. R2's reason for waking up is so open to interpretation in the film but it's actually really, really simple. It's a shame the film itself didn't make it a little more obvious.

From J.J. Abrams himself:
“BB-8 comes up and says something to [R2-D2], which is basically, ‘I’ve got this piece of a map, do you happen to have the rest?’ The idea was, R2 who has been all over the galaxy, is still in his coma, but he hears this. And it triggers something that would ultimately wake him up.”
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Also, both Adam Driver and Oscar Isaac previously worked together in the Coen Brother's film Inside Llewyn Davis. I thought this clip would be fun to share, you'll never look at Kylo Ren the same after this. :lol:

 
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Cap'n Jack
I think I posted a similar article a few weeks back, but this one explains R2's awakening better. R2's reason for waking up is so open to interpretation in the film but it's actually really, really simple. It's a shame the film itself didn't make it a little more obvious.

From J.J. Abrams himself:
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Is he running an old Windows OS? That's a hell of a long startup. An entire battle took place and star systems were wiped out.
 
So... as of tomorrow morning I'm sure, The Force Awakens will be the highest grossing film of all time domestically. Globally, it has a chance to pass up Titanic, but chances of it catching Avatar are very slim. (depends on how well the Chinese release goes, which opens on Friday)
 
R1600Turbo
So... as of tomorrow morning I'm sure, The Force Awakens will be the highest grossing film of all time domestically. Globally, it has a chance to pass up Titanic, but chances of it catching Avatar are very slim. (depends on how well the Chinese release goes, which opens on Friday)
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Reading interviews, optimistic projections (made before the December release) were at $320m in China. The most pessimistic projection by theater chain owners was at $230m. Avatar made $204m. Transformers 4, Avengers: AOU, Furious 7 and Jurassic World have all already passed Avatar, and it's a good bet Star Wars will at least match Furious 7 (currently second-highest grossing movie ever in China at $380+m, without the kowtowing merch-placement that TF4 had).

I think it's safe to say Star Wars will catch Avatar. The only question is how quickly it will do so.

EDIT: Safe to say it will do so in China. Whether it can maintain momentum through the next few months, however, who knows?
 
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EDIT: Safe to say it will do so in China. Whether it can maintain momentum through the next few months, however, who knows?
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How well it will do in China is unknown as the market there is not into Star Wars as much as say, Japan. Disney has been doing a bunch of marketing there and even a premier or two, so that may help.
 
R1600Turbo
How well it will do in China is unknown as the market there is not into Star Wars as much as say, Japan. Disney has been doing a bunch of marketing there and even a premier or two, so that may help.
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Yeah, but as the market has recently opened up, and has been soaking up recent blockbusters like a sponge, it's reasonably certain that Star Wars will do better than Avatar, which released to a much more closed market than many of these movies.

We'll know come next week.

In the meantime, I may.. may.. finally be able to get my second viewing this weekend as the local Film Festival winds down and they start showing imports again.
 
Furinkazen
FINALLY saw it on Saturday, 4 days later than originally intended.

I approached the film with an almost religious no spoiler policy, then.... someone mentioned Han Solo death and I was like "🤬". Anyway I approached the film with a open mind. To me the order of films from best to worst was 5-4-6-3-1-2 (don't get me started on "Attack Of The Galactic Senate"), and I was apprehensive. Didn't expect anything special, or especially bad. Also I had almost zero knowledge of the Expanded Universe.

And yet... i'm impressed. The film was going to struggle a little due to having to link up with VI and set up two more films, but I thought it got handled especially well. I feared the introduction of Han, Chewie, Leia and other old faces (Nien Numb! Admiral Ackbar! C3PO! R2-D2!) was going to be little more than a tip of the hat to nostalgia with no real significance. I was wrong. It was handled very well I thought and provided a nice connection to the original trilogy.

I'll go through characters here. Firstly Finn. I was totally confused at first how a stormtrooper would end up with the Rebel--- sorry Resistance, but it was handled pretty well. Interesting that in a throwaway line Kylo Ren threatens his officer with re-introducing the clones. How long has the Empi--- sorry, First Order been training troops? How long does it take? If genetically modified and bred for war, why is he out of all other troops decide to defect?

Ray. Became a very likeable character. Nice touch establishing her skills in hand to hand combat where Finn amusingly finds out she doesn't need any help. But, how does Luke's saber call to her? Can't be just because she touched it. Is there some parallel with Luke having trained Jedi? Was she an old learner / apprentice? How does someone living on there own like that get such formidable hand to hand fighting skills? What happened to her family? I also take issue with her seemingly being able to use the force incredibly well very quickly... unless she has prior knowledge. But even then, she doubts herself early on in the Falcon when they meet Han and Chewie that the Force was real, or the Jedi, or the Dark Side? And how is she such a good pilot? Able to fly the Falcon solo fending off two TIES? And how does she also know Leia? There greeting at the end of the film wasn't one of people meeting for the first time.

Han. So I knew he was going... ~grumble~ but had no idea he would have a son centre of the story. You can tell the years took a toll on Han, and what happened to his son truly affected him. He even lost the Falcon, and that ship was like his baby in the original series... and his reunion with Leia I did find emotional. It was a different kind of love, far from the soppy kissing Hollywood love we often see in films, and felt more like two old friends re-uniting. The emotion felt almost real to me when he embraced Leia coming back. However, Leia has a plot hole / question with me... in the trailer, she is shown being handed Luke's lightsaber. Obviously cut from the final film, but why was she being handed it? Wasn't it supposed to be safe with Maz? And how would it be found? Which brings me to another point - how Luke reacts to Ray presenting him the lightsaber. It's a blank look from Luke, not like he was shocked, surprised... did he know Rey would come?

Captain Phasma, under-used to hell? From the look of the trailers she was teased as a character perhaps to be a genuine baddie in the limelight... yet her only role is to lower the shields? Under-used much? And why would be she so compliant with doing so? Saying it's a mistake, whilst denying the First Order certain victory? And after she does that she isn't heard from again. She doesn't even put up a fight, why? Genuinely bizarre and I suspect more to come.

And Kylo Ren. Well... he could have been crafted as a Darth Vader fanboy. Happily he escaped that mould. But how did he get Darths mask? It was burned on Endor, and how would he have knowledge of its whereabouts? Kylo wasn't even conceived at the time of VI, and it would have taken him years, until at least teenage training years (think II Anakin) to do it? Also, just how powerful is Kylo? He seems incredibly strong with the force, and a very good swordsman. We see him take a shot from Chewies bowcaster (which was proven earlier in the film to function like a darn grenade launcher!) and still beats down Finn with ease and drives back Ray with ease.

How strong is his armour for him to withstand a lightsaber slash as well? Yet at the same time, how is his lightsaber, arguably, that weak? He smashes a few electronics first, sure. But he slashes Finn down his back and doesn't even kill him? If that was anyone else's lightsaber surely Finn would be split in half almost - we all know Lucas liked lopping off limbs. And... who managed to get Kylo a red saber? He was trained at the new Temple Luke created, sure. But how does he get it as a sith weapon, and even more crucially, how did he join the First Order, or seek them out? Were they common knowledge? The Republic was re-formed but never directly confronting the First Order, with Leia's Resistance almost an intermediate force created between the two.

And a final few notes. I'll probably remember more and and answer some of these questions above on a second viewing... but... How did R2 D2 know when to re-activate? And who took the map the First Order had from the Jedi Archives? Kylo? And how did one piece end up with BB-8?

So many questions, yet such a enjoyable film. To me this is a solid 4th, behind VI for me. On a second viewing, may even go above it.
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Finally managed to see myself use today. Thanks bad back. Great timing.

Everything about Rey screams to me that she's Luke's daughter. Left on Jakku, like he was left on Tatooine, to hide her blood lineage from a future threat predicted through Luke's new mastery of the force. He could see that she'd be important for the future survival of the rebels/resistance/Jedi/republic from the dark side. Luke, like his father, was very strong with the force and a naturally great pilot. Rey shows this potential too. Being left to largely fend for yourself on a harsh desert planet is a good way to be toughened up, and also very Skywalker.

Plasma was indeed underused and oddly weak. She wasn't shown to be killed off, so maybe in the next film, but her future sounded to be destined to a trash compactor.

Kylo, like his mum, obviously has some Skywalker genetics, but perhaps isn't quite as powerful with the force as Luke, Anakin or Rey(?). Leia has shown only a weak grasp of force usage, so maybe her bloodline is weaker. Supream leader Snook(sp) looks to have some force knowledge, perhaps some sith leanings, and has tried to utilise whatever Skywalker bloodline he can get his hands on to push his own agender of galaxy domination. Perhaps placing Kylo and Han in a situation where they could potentially meet again, is part of Snooks grand palpatine-like plan to push Kylo further to the darkside?

The non-lethal lightsabre wounds could just be down to them being only glancing blows. Any wound is going to be automatically cauterised, so if no vital organs are damaged, that sort of blow might not be fatal.
 
TheCracker
Finally managed to see myself use today. Thanks bad back. Great timing.

Everything about Rey screams to me that she's Luke's daughter. Left on Jakku, like he was left on Tatooine, to hide her blood lineage from a future threat predicted through Luke's new mastery of the force. He could see that she'd be important for the future survival of the rebels/resistance/Jedi/republic from the dark side. Luke, like his father, was very strong with the force and a naturally great pilot. Rey shows this potential too. Being left to largely fend for yourself on a harsh desert planet is a good way to be toughened up, and also very Skywalker.

Plasma was indeed underused and oddly weak. She wasn't shown to be killed off, so maybe in the next film, but her future sounded to be destined to a trash compactor.

Kylo, like his mum, obviously has some Skywalker genetics, but perhaps isn't quite as powerful with the force as Luke, Anakin or Rey(?). Leia has shown only a weak grasp of force usage, so maybe her bloodline is weaker. Supream leader Snook(sp) looks to have some force knowledge, perhaps some sith leanings, and has tried to utilise whatever Skywalker bloodline he can get his hands on to push his own agender of galaxy domination. Perhaps placing Kylo and Han in a situation where they could potentially meet again, is part of Snooks grand palpatine-like plan to push Kylo further to the darkside?

The non-lethal lightsabre wounds could just be down to them being only glancing blows. Any wound is going to be automatically cauterised, so if no vital organs are damaged, that sort of blow might not be fatal.
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*Phasma
*Snoke

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