Stock A-Spec Seasonal #47 - (500PP, 600PP, 700PP RC - 11/17 to 12/15)

Discussion in 'GT6 Seasonal & Quick Match Events' started by Hastatus, Nov 18, 2016.

  1. Hastatus

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    This is a thread series for the seasonal time trials that focuses on completing the challenges (i.e. beating the gold target times) with stock versions of the cars. This means that instead of maximizing your PP with upgrades and focusing on getting the fastest laps on the in-game leaderboard, you are attempting to complete the challenges with the bare minimum amount of 'car' and money-spent as is possible.

    With the new more open ended format means that part of the challenge will be finding a stock car that has the lowest PP or lowest price depending on your view. It is also difficult to predict which types of tires a car will come with before purchasing.

    Warning: Some of these challenges are getting to be extreme and should be approached with caution! :banghead:


    In order to participate your car must be stock.

    1) A stock car is essentially any car as it is when purchased from the dealership or won as a prize: it will have had no modifications, added parts, or adjustments done that affect how the car performs.
    2) No oil changes are permitted: if you have had an oil change you must wait until the effects of the HP boost have been removed by driving over 300 km.
    3) You must use the original tire type that came with the car, unless dirt or snow tires are required.
    4) No changes to any “Car Settings” are permitted: they must ALL be left at their default values. [Note: cars that come with Fully Customizable Suspension that were purchased or won prior to patch 1.11 must have the suspension settings restored to default in order to be updated with the new stock suspension settings.]
    5) No SRF or ASM is permitted: other “Driver Assists” are permitted.


    Basically, the ONLY changes you may make to a car include: painting the car and changing a car’s racing number. Any other changes means your car is not stock.


    Stock A-Spec Seasonals #47:

    Beginner Level Non-Race Car Challenge: Brands Hatch Indy Circuit - 500 PP - SH
    Intermediate Level Non-Race Car Challenge: Nurburgring GP/F - 600 PP - SS
    Expert Level Race Car Challenge: Sarthe 2009 - 700 PP - RH


    Repeat of Stock A-Spec Seasonal #4
     
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  2. Hastatus

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    Last time the records were:
    Beginner - 373PP Toyota 2000GT '67 (StirlingMoose)
    Intermediate - 496PP Ferrari 365 GTB4 '71 (StirlingMoose)
    Expert - 685PP Peugeot 905B Evo 1 Bis LM '92 (MadMax)

    Sorry for the delay: these are rather long races and I tried all three of these record cars from last time for many hours and couldn't get gold. :scared: But I did do better than last time on the beginner and intermediate. :)


    My results so far with a wheel and an automatic transmission:

    500PP at Brands Hatch Indy Circuit:
    400PP - 0:55.216 - 5:06.619 - Ferrari Dino 246 GT '71 - SH - MR - 170hp - 1080kg - Camaro SS '10 - 5:07.636

    Re-ran this race in the stock version this time against the same rabbit:
    413PP
    - 0:54.422 - 5:04.091 - Ferrari Dino 246 GT '71 - SH - MR - 191hp - 1080kg - Camaro SS '10 - 5:10.903


    600PP at Nurburgring GP/F:
    512PP
    - 2:12.897 - 11:32.937 - Lamborghini Miura '67 - SH - MR - 349hp - 980kg - Enzo Ferrari '02 - 11:33.487

    700PP RC at Sarthe 2009:
    691PP
    - 3:23.464 - 7:28.249 - Mercedes-Benz Sauber Mercedes C9 '89 - RH - MR - 927hp - 893kg - MINOLTA Toyota 88 C-V '89 - 7:30.005
     
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  3. StirlingMoose

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    500PP at Brands Hatch Indy Circuit:

    435PP
    - 5:04.620 - Nissan Silvia 240RS (S110) '83 - SH - FR - 235hp - 970kg - M3 GTR ’03 - 5:05.811
    410PP - 5:22.488 - Lancia Stratos ’73 - CS - MR - 185hp - 900kg - Griffith 500 ’94 - 5:22.52
    404PP - 5:24.099 - Lotus Europa Special '72 - CS - MR - 128hp - 730kg - M3 GTR ’03 - 5:24.339
    402PP - 5:25.374 - Dome-Zero '78 - CS - MR - 162hp - 920kg - Tamora ’02 - 5:25.500
    395PP - 5:23.173 - Hommell Berlinette R/S Coupe '99 - CS - MR - 163hp - 950kg - Esprit Sport 350 '00

    I've been having a lot of fun with this one and there's still plenty of cars I want try. The Hommell is remarkably good. So good I did on CM too. CS was a step too far. Close second in the Lotus Elan @298PP. That's a nice drive. I'll probably return to it. It must be more difficult than last time. I can't imagine winning this in the 2000GT.

    600PP at Nurburgring GP/F:
    560PP
    - 11:24.668 - NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car - SH - MR - 511hp - 1120kg - MP4-12C '10 - 11:25.321

    Tried a few lower PP but without any success. The Yellow Bird was fun but only managed third. That's a great job in the Miura, @Hastatus. BTW stock Dino is 413PP.
     
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    500PP at Brands Hatch Indy Circuit:

    435PP
    - 58.071 - 5:19.317 - Toyota MR2 GT-S '97 - CS - MR - 243hp - 1270kg - RGT '00 - 5:19.419
     
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  5. Hastatus

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    Thanks. The Miura certainly handles unusually: I always seem to be using more throttle to get the rear loose to slide around turns more. Thanks for catching the stats on my Dino. I de-tuned it for the last TT and forgot to put it back to normal. Should still be able to win gold with more power though. :sly:
     
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    Brand new car. Brand new beers.

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    And a bit of time.

    @MadMax ran 7:37
     
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    After 1 hour of 350pp QM at SSR5 I was looking for something more relaxing.

    500PP at Brands Hatch Indy Circuit:

    402PP - 0:57.667 - 5:21.860 - Dome-Zero '78 - CS - MR - 165cv - 920kg - Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG '08 - 5:21.940
    402PP - 1:00.020 - 5:30.489 - Mercedes-Benz 300 SL Coupe '54 - CS - FR - 215cv - 1295kg - BMW M3 GTR '03 - 5:30.528
    403PP - 0:58.063 - 5:20.083 - Renault Clio RS '11 - CS - FR - 202cv - 1240kg - TVR Tamora '02 - 5:20.326
    407PP - 0:58.437 - 5:23.104 - Peugeot RCZ '10 - CS - FF - 200cv - 1350kg - Chevrolet Camaro SS '10 - 5:23.366
    407PP - 0:56.937 - 5:18.876 - Subaru BRZ S '12 - SH - FR - 201cv - 1230kg - BMW M3 GTR '03 - 5:19.052
    408PP - 0:59.022 - 5:25.768 - Plymouth XNR Ghia Roadster '60 - SH - FR - 254cv - 1500kg - Ford Mustang Boss 302 '13 - 5:25.893
    410PP - 0:58.193 - 5:24.009 - Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5-16 Evo II '91 - CS - FR - 234cv - 1340kg - TVR Tamora '02 - 5:24.649

    For performance comparison I only focused the 401-410pp stock garage (before yesterday I never drove most of them).
    Max 2 races for each car model.
    Fair driving against AI w/ cockpit view.
    Joypad, automatic gears, ABS=1 only.

    I've been having very good driving time and for sure I will test further cars close to 400pp.

    Ciao
     
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  8. StirlingMoose

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    500PP at Brands Hatch Indy Circuit:

    388PP - ??? - 5:24.417 - Renault R5 Turbo '80 - CS - MR - 159hp - 970kg - Tamora '02 - 5:24.486

    Much easier than I was expecting. First attempt. Got to try the 2000GT now.

    Edit-
    373PP
    - ??? - 5:26.148 - Toyota 2000GT ’67 - CS - FR - 153hp - 1120kg - RGT '00 - 5:26.213

    This took a lot longer. Kept getting to the front only to have the RUF come flying past just before the line.
     
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    500PP at Brands Hatch Indy Circuit:

    405PP
    - 0:58.000 - 5.21.021 - Honda Civic Type-R (EP,EU) '01 - CS - FF - 5:21.278 - Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG '08
    405PP - 0:58.968 - 5:23.310 - Volkswagen Golf V GTI '05 - CS - FR - 5:23.717 - SRT Charger SRT8 '11
    402PP - 0:57.152 - 5:21.964 - Mazda KUSABI '03 - CS - FF - 5:22.440 - Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione '08
    401PP - 0:59.369 - 5:25.997 - Lancia DELTA HF Integrale Evo '91 - CS - 4WD - 5:26.031 - Ford Mustang Boss 302 '13
    401PP - 0:59.753 - 5:29.473 - Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 24V '01 - CS - FF - 5:29.605 - Callaway C12 '03
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    400PP - 0:58.717 - 5:23.928 - Audi Quattro '82 - CS - 4WD - 5:24.044 - RUF RGT '00
    377PP - 0:58.938 - 5:29.473 - MG TF160 '03 - CS - MR - 5:26.072 - RUF RGT '00

    Always nice driving with this car level vs 500pp competitors.

    400-410pp:

    - Japanese dominant on the race, KUSABI could be easily faster then reported (see the best lap).
    - Italian were suffering quite a lot for winning.

    >=400pp cars:

    - Quite easy with 4WD Audi.
    - Very tought race with MG vs RUF RGT, M3 GTR, TVR Tamora, Esprit S 350 hunting me.
    - I tried a couple of times the Mini Marcos without success as 5 sec per lap slower.

    Ciao


    I revised the score with 400PP CS Audi Quattro having previously used SH by mistake.
     
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  10. StirlingMoose

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    500PP at Brands Hatch Indy Circuit:
    371PP
    - ??? - 5:30.239 - MGF '97 - CS - MR - 142hp - 1070kg - M3 CSL '03 - 5:30.439

    Another one for the list. This one was pretty straightforward as the M3 CSL was slow. When I saw an M3 up front I assumed it was the GTR and I was going to be in for a tough time but the CSL didn't put up much of a fight.

    It might be easier to compile a list of cars from 370 to 410PP that can't win. The Marcos is definitely a contender.
     
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    500PP at Brands Hatch Indy Circuit:
    399PP
    - 58.067 - 05:19.526 - Renault Clio R.S. 2.0 16V '02 - CS - FF - 172cv - 1035kg - RGT RUF '00- 05:19.674
    395PP - 57.420 - 05:18.731 - Hommell Berlinette R/S Coupe '99 - CS - MR - 166cv - 950kg - Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG '08 - 05:18.879
    391PP - 58:452 - 05:24.337 - Mazda Roadster RS (NC) '07 - CS - FR - 167cv - 1100kg - Lotus Elise Sport 190 '98 - 05:24.493
    391PP - 58:719 - 05:26.175 - Honda Civic Type-R (EK) '98 - CS - FF - 182cv - 1050kg - Lotus Esprit S350 '00 - 05:26.410
    388PP - 58.904 - 05:25.410 - Renault R5 Turbo '80 - CS - MR - 162cv - 970kg - Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG '08 - 05:25.458
    387PP - 58.936 - 05:26.763 - BMW 2002 Turbo '73 - CS - FR - 170cv - 1080kg - Ford Mustang Boss 302 '13 - 05:26.902
    382PP - 59.462 - 05:26.640 - Alfa Romeo MiTo 1.4 T Sport '09 - CS - FF - 155cv - 1145kg - Chevrolet Camaro SS '10 - 05:26.739
    371PP 59.693 - 05:28.294 - MG MGF '97 - CS - MR - 145cv - 1070kg - RUF RGT '00 - 05:28.553

    As you can see I focused <400pp cars in which there are some iconic models and good times.
    I also tried with cars already presented by you guys as they are so nice as design/driving, e,g, Renault and MG.
    More difficult win has been with Alfa Romeo MiTo against a band of US muscle cars.

    About loosers I would add the Lotus Elan S1 '62, faster than Marcos but not enough for winning this 500pp challenge.

    For future races I already selected 3-4 365-370pp cars and cross the finger because I am already on the border with my driving level.

    Ciao

    I revised the score with 399PP CS Clio having previously used SH by mistake.
     
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    500PP at Brands Hatch Indy Circuit:
    369PP
    - 1:00.422 - 05:34.065 - Peugeot 206 S16 '99 - CS - FF - 139cv - 1080kg - TVR Cerbera Speed 6 '97 - 05:34.072

    Very lucky starting grid with only 3x TVR on top but not the fast Tamora and then 1st for nothing.

    Next will be 366PP - Alfa Romeo 147 2.0 Twin Park '02 with its great sound....

    Ciao
     
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    Well done. Below 370PP is definitely grid-hunting territory. I've tried a few tonight and there some capable of 1 minute laps and under but I've not been lucky with the grids.
     
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    500PP at Brands Hatch Indy Circuit:
    356PP
    - ??? - 05:31.213 - Mazda Cosmo Sport (L10B) '68 - CS - FR - 126hp - 960kg - Tamora '02 - 05:31.240

    That took some doing. Great car. Good power to weight ratio and handles just lovely. Best laps were in the (very) high 59s. I was alternating between this and the Elan S1 and the laps times were almost identical despite the Elan's 40-odd PP more.
     
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    Wow, amazing result with great japanese car!

    And now?
    In a someway I'm happy to dig low 350pp car model since there are only very few appealing cars in 360-370pp area.
    2 days ago was my birthday and GT6 gifted me the Chevy C1 '54, this could be a sign of my destiny... let's see how can work on this clubman circuit.

    Anyway I would share with you some interesting results:

    386PP - 59.279 - 05:27.645 - Ford Focus ST170 '03 - CS - FF - 173cv - 1240kg - RUF RGT '00 - 05:27.744
    388PP - 59.188 - 05:31.107 - Lotus Elise '11 - CS - MR - 135cv - 876kg - RUF RGT '00 - 05:31.212
    408PP - 57.753 - 05:22.746 - Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 '85 - CS - 4WD - 203cv - 1145kg - TVR Tamora '02 - 05:23.773

    The last one is really a wipeout and, as a stock car, could be competitive for 550pp races too.

    ciao
     
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    Salute to Audi Sport, got all three with Audi.
    Thank you, i will miss you and all your wonderful prototype racers.

    500PP at Brands Hatch Indy Circuit:
    400PP
    - 0:58.989 - 5:24.599 - Audi quattro '82 - CS - 4WD - 199hp - 1290kg - RGT '00 - 5:24.678

    600PP at Nurburgring GP/F:
    536PP
    - 2:10.961 - 11:27.105 - Audi R8 5.2 FSI quattro Chrome Line - SH - 4WD - 528hp - 1598kg - McLaren F1 '94 - 11:27.857



    AIs crash and going off road almost everywhere...

    700PP RC at Sarthe 2009:
    679PP
    - 3:26.401 - 7:31.076 - Audi R8 Race Car '01 - RH - MR - 783hp - 900kg - Sauber Mercedes C9 '89 - 7:32.796



    Won by luck. Both 1st and 2nd went wide after Mulsanne straight.
     
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    '54 - Even older than me, I thought. But I checked your profile and you are actually a year younger. I suppose the clue is in your username. Good luck with the old Corvette. It's a nice car but a bit lazy with its two-speed gearbox.
    My birthday car is the '57 BMW 507. That's going to be my next one to try.
     
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    23/11/1958, 58 years old living 4-5 km far from Monza circuit.
     
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    500PP at Brands Hatch Indy Circuit:
    362PP
    - ??? - 5:33.901 - BMW 507 '57 - CS - FR - 147hp - 1240kg - 8C Competizione '08 - 5:33.971

    I had a go with the Corvette but with best lap times 1:02 and an overall race time of 5:40 I think it has to be added to the list of no-hopers.

    Lucky you! 59 years old and my nearest track is the world-famous Mendip Raceway. Not quite as prestigious as Monza but I bet you don't get racing like this.

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    Sadly agreed to give up with C1 '54. Indeed I did 3xraces and never less then 1:02 lap time (best 1:02.088 & 5:41.077 as total).
     
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    Tried these two last night - Toyota MR2 1600 G '86 353PP and Eunos Roadstrer J-Limited (NA) '91 351PP
    Both are capable of winning with the right grid.
     
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    Thanks for advice, I will give a tray.

    From my side, after I won the race with the tuned 350PP Prius G '09 by CKGAMER, I tried a couple of time the 357PP stock one but it is not a good competitor also because the default tyres are CM.

    ciao
     
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    I had a quick go in the Prius :yuck:. It's not that slow but the understeer is horrible. Maybe on CS.

    I've given up on the Roadster for now. I can do a 5:31 with best laps occasionally under a minute, which ought to be good enough in theory, but there comes a point where the AI are very reluctant to let you win. You have to get to the front a long way from the finish to avoid them charging past on the final straight.

    So over to Germany for a while.

    600PP at Nurburgring GP/F:
    526PP
    - 11:46.745 - RUF CTR Yellow Bird '87 - SH - RR - 462hp - 1150kg - Zonda C12S 7.3 '02 - 11:48.785

    Not one of my favourite tracks ( every lap I suffer the disappointment of not turning off onto the Nordschleife ) but the Yellow Bird makes it fun. I'm surprised @coryclifford hasn't dropped by with this one.
    Waits for cory to post a better time...
     
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    Yo. Been out of town for 6 days. Back home finally. :mischievous:

    I'll be trying. :tup:
     
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    I'm facing something similar with Brands Hatch Indy 500pp races and it is quite boring waiting the right grid for the win.

    So, aside from some gold lap time for Tsukuba TT w/ stock cars (e.g. Hommell), I did a couple of tries on German circuit too with stock car under 500pp. This is the better result I got after 3x races:

    600PP at Nurburgring GP/F:

    490PP - 2:14.261 - 11:43.767 - Honda HSC '03 - SH - MR - 329cv - 1150kg - McLaren MP4-12C '10 - 11:47.419

    MP4, Speed12, Aventador have been very dirty competitors in the last 2 laps but, at the last chicane before the arrival, MP4 made a fatal mistake.

    To be frank I like more the Yellow Bird score by StirlingMoose than mine
     
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    Two hours later :crazy:

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    @coryclifford

    Good work in the Yellow Bird. I had a couple of goes with the RGT but got the Zonda and F1 rabbits and disappointingly they didn't go off at the last chicane so I didn't get the win. I'll be trying again though. I want to try the F40 as well.
     
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    600PP at Nurburgring GP/F:

    528PP - ??? - 11:43.507 - Ferrari F40 '92 - SH - MR - 471hp - 1352kg - Aventador LP 700-4 '11 - 11:44.264

    I had another go in the RGT but it wasn't happening so swapped to the F40. Very nice it was too. I thought I'd had it when the Lambo punted me into the blocks at the final chicane, but when I pushed my way through he was flailing about on the grass on the other side.
    I also had a go in the Ferrari 365 GTB4 '71, which I apparently won in two years ago. Very different driving a car with more grip than power. You can brake so late and floor it so early compared to the F40. Didn't win but I can see how it's possible.
     
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