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Apologies for being a little inactive. Had a busy couple of weeks. I'm away this weekend, but should be back for the race on Monday if you need a reserve driver! The following Monday (13th July) I am also away so won't be able to race. After that hopefully I will have a little more time to get involved with the series! This warm weather is also a big distraction, my seat setup is in a conservatory, so in the summer it's like racing whilst sitting in a sauna! Which is not fun with a leather seat :)
 
Thanks Phaed,
under these conditions on track, not many lines are possible. So I think like Stephen said
 
Ok, thank you Gueve, for me that corner is a tipical one for side by side racing - if we are aware of another driver and can have mutual trust.

But it is perfectly fine if general conzensus is this way, this is all very good to know exactly 👍

In that case i will be cutting into the corner if someone is not ahead of me according to drivers list on screen by the time we get to breaking zone... Unless, of course, i am really much slower for whatever reason or i just decide to let anyone ahead.
 
It wouldn't feel like an endurance race without heavy damage. That's part of it and makes it more fun and rewards mistake free driving.
 
My question is: can keep your speed without contact, and using the one on the outside as a bumper ?
And in this corner, from the inside position, it is impossible to drive the same speed as from outside. So you can also search for a contact.
 
PhaedrusSocrate
But, i think acording to the rules SRT quoted and from my personal perspective as well, that Blue also had full right to be there because he was at least 3/4 of cars lenght along your car... AND he had inside line - it was a situation were i would eather let him pass or (if i know him enough) i would go "side by side" trough corner, keeping my self on the outside line and expecting him to stay on inside even on exit... That is what i see all the time i real life racing :)

...Is this a bad time to point out how much i would enjoy if we used "light damage" :D

Back on topic - SO WHAT IS THE RULE? Are we allowed to make overtaking atempt only if "drivers list on screen" shows that we really got ahead before breaking zone, or are we to drive acording to rules SRT quoted?

Either way is ok, but we really need TOTAL conzensus on that, because of that heavy damage especialy.
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Well, for me i think the car ahead has the right of way to choose his line.
This does not mean i am right, i am only saying that on corners like copse where its a tough corner anyway, it almost impossible to go around together at racing speed.
In my eyes it is black and white, if the car is listed as ahead then that car can take the line he wants.

Its really hard to judge 3/4 of a car length when concentrating on the turn in point, on a very fast and triki corner especially copse and on a damp/wet track.
You really have no time to look alongside and judge 1/3rd of a cars length.

If i were Gueven i would assume that Blue would back off, as he was always going to run into Gueven if he didnt slow down, as there is no way he could take the line he was on at the same speed as Gueven on a wet line as well.

The contact was inevitabe and knocked Gueven off the track, luckily there is a wide run off there.

Ultimately its the driver behind to ensure there is no contact.
Gueven was ahead and held his normal racing line, in my view that was fine.
Blue in my view should have backed off.

This was a practice race, and i am sure both drivers would probably not have been as keen to hold the line had it been the real race, as on lap 1 you can only loose lots.

So in my opinion, the rule is the driver ahead has the right to take the racing line.

If you look at page 1 index 3
Overtaking
It will be the responsibility of the overtaking driver to ensure there is no contact between cars at any time.
If a driver forces another car off the track by attempting an overtake and then leaves no room for the car being overtaken to continue will be penalised.
If a driver being overtaken clearly moves to block and causes contact there will be heavy penalty points.
drivers must ensure that they do all they can to avoid contact.
The driver ahead should always have the line they decide to take into a corner.
 
I have to say one more thing guys.
Its very seldom we have issue like this happen, it probably wont happen again.
 
I see it like this , blue had the right too be where he was , and then it really doesnt matter what corner it is , and iff he hasnt the right too be where he wad , i have some insidents i could have reported in the past , but all this talking about what happend has helped me too realise that its not a good idea for me too be a steward , so the series needs another , sry about that
 
Log , no matter how much you say that blue couldnt do this and that , it was him that got bumped into and not the other way around as i saw it
 
SRT DK Racing
Log , no matter how much you say that blue couldnt do this and that , it was him that got bumped into and not the other way around as i saw it
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Srt, the rule is the car ahead has the line.
Gueven was ahead and he took the racing line.
He didnt turn in early or try to cause a contact.
 
so we are using our own rules and not the one i posted a link too , thats fair enough , then we all know .....
 
If I may pop in and say my .02 cents. If an overtaking car has any overlap on a car ahead then the car ahead should allow the attacking car to hold an inside line. Of coarse the overtaking car must use discretion depending on the circumstance. This is a basic rule of racecraft.

If its described as the ahead car has all the right to the racing line then the only way an overtaking car can pass is if he/she passes before the end of the braking zone.

In any race in real life, all you really need is a nose in to claim the inside line. As long as people know what their doing and have good situational awareness then this shouldn't be an issue.
 
Blue and I were in this situation,
what he thought, how he was driving the corner without bumping, he and I know best.
He says that he had the choice to avoid the situation. Then we could solve this incident with an elegant sorry. Otherwise, what, when, was, would be is secondary.
If we want clarify this incident, properly we should consider all factors. Otherwise, we are back at the start, only blue knows what he was thinking at that moment.
Thanks for your opinions
 
GT_Vette
If I may pop in and say my .02 cents. If an overtaking car has any overlap on a car ahead then the car ahead should allow the attacking car to hold an inside line. Of coarse the overtaking car must use discretion depending on the circumstance. This is a basic rule of racecraft.

If its described as the ahead car has all the right to the racing line then the only way an overtaking car can pass is if he/she passes before the end of the braking zone.

In any race in real life, all you really need is a nose in to claim the inside line. As long as people know what their doing and have good situational awareness then this shouldn't be an issue.
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This is true Agro, however i think it was just in the situation that arose.
We have had 2 seasons and not really ever had any issues like this as we all seem to be pretty good at giving way when we need to when a car is alongside.
 
I ask to check my example exactly. And this example is my last attempt to explain this situation.
Can this corner be driven (alone) from the inside position, with the speed we had in this moment, without leaving the track ?
If yes, I apologize for my mistake to blue.
 
Gueven Art
I ask to check my example exactly. And this example is my last attempt to explain this situation.
Can this corner be driven (alone) from the inside position, with the speed we had in this moment, without leaving the track ?
If yes, I apologize for my mistake to blue.
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Yes if, like I was doing, you brake way early and go slower than the normal pace through there. I've ran double wide through there a lot, just maybe not necessarily in cars as fast as these.
 
Vote IN or OUT for Monday

BHP FOR SILVERSTONE GP

-p--Total---Driver---Car-----------New
------Pts----Name---No--------------Bhp

-1-----16----R-Tony----1------------445bhp - IN
-2-----15----Chris-------93-------------456bhp
-3-----14----Sken-------66---------------465bhp - IN
-4-----13----SRT---------6------------------468bhp - IN
-5-----12----Phaed------5-------------------474bhp - IN
-6-----11----Nissman---9---------------------476bhp - IN
-7-----10----Pubes------15-----------------------480bhp - IN
-8------9----Logicline---16----------------Base 480bhp - IN
-9------8----Filipino-----72-----------------------480bhp - IN
10-----7----Gueven-----46-----------------------480bhp - IN
11-----6----TnT----------67-----------------------480bhp - IN
12-----5----Blue---------25-------------------------490bhp - IN
00-----0----Agro----------19------------------460bhp - IN
00-----0----Kossu---------10-----------------------480bhp - OUT
00-----0----Mikey---------24-----------------------480bhp
00-----0--R-Lozza---------28-------------------460bhp - IN

00-----0--R-Cedbel--------12-----------------------480bhp - OUT



Race game time start 08:00
heavy showers in the morning followed by possible lighter showers.

Qualy settings
Weather at start 50%
Time 08.00
Time progression x1
Changeablity x1
surface water at start 90%
Track should dry quite a lot during qualy

Race settings
Weather at start 30%
Time 08.10
Time progression x1
Changeablity x3
surface water at start 40%
Track will start wet but be dry online by the end of the pace lap so slick tyres are ok,
after that it may stary dry, it may rain heavy and then dry.
 
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