Finished Sundays 17:00-19:00 GMT - AMOC & BSCC - Champions: Harsk, Pimiki and SimbaLora

Discussion in 'GT6 Racing Series' started by Sick Cylinder, Aug 26, 2014.

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Sunday racing is no longer possible due to network instability. Please vote below as appropriate.

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  1. Wednesday 20:30 - 22:00 GMT (BST in Summer)

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  2. Friday 20:30 - 22:00 GMT (BST in Summer)

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  3. Neither - I will need to drop out.

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    We are moving to Wednesday & Friday 20:30-21:30 GMT
    New Series start 30th March and 1st April
    Spaces Available - this series has finished, but to join the next series contact Sick Cylinder ASAP
    You will start as a Reserve Driver and then upgrade to Permanent Driver, subject to space and regular attendance. Fast or slow, novice or experienced welcome - just drive cleanly and do your best - it is serious racing, but it is also great fun! Club ID: 1000875
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    Note - The Lotus shown in the publicity poster has been deleted from the car list. The penalty car (Ruf BTR) is deleted with effect from Round 7.

    Note - The BSCC cars can be tuned to their maximum subject to power limits of 500bhp for the Buick Special, 400bhp for the Shelby GT350 and 375bhp for the Jaguar Saloon. Tyres are Sports Medium on all cars except the Mini which uses Sports Soft.

    Silver Reserve Drivers use a Shelby GT350 for the whole series with original bumpers retained, white with blue or black stripes, wheels PDI P525N painted silver or black with personal choice of racing number fitted, type A, font A. Gold or Platinum Reserve Drivers use a Mini painted black or white.

    The AMOC cars can be tuned to their maximum subject to a power limit of 630bhp, performance limit of 560PP and weight limit of 1350kg (the figures given against the AMOC cars in the table are those used by the Host during testing - you may be able to achieve a higher power figure within the overall room limits). Tyres are Sports Medium on all cars. Your personal choice of racing number should be fitted, type A, font A.

    Reserve Drivers use an Aston Martin DB9 OR V12 Vantage for the whole series or a Jaguar XKR or XKRS for the whole series.

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    Track Schedule
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    Note: Ferrari 430 can be used in plain or Scuderia form

    Further Note: Due to network instability / connection problems, with effect from Round 8 multiple short races will be held. Car change will be delayed until after Round 9. Ruf Penalty Car is deleted.
     
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    AMOC 80 Intermarque - Race 3 (25 minutes)
    To commemorate the 80th Anniversary of the Aston Martin Owners Club in 2015, we are running a recreation of the AMOC Intermarque Race Series using cars from Aston Martin, Ferrari, Jaguar and Porsche (Ruf).

    Racers choose three cars, one from each selection and change cars at round 5 and 9.
    Selection 1: Aston Martin DB9 OR V12 Vantage
    Selection 2: Ferrari F40 OR 512BB OR 430 OR 430 Scuderia
    Selection 3: Jaguar XK8R OR XKRS


    Racers who achieve a podium position (i.e. 1st, 2nd or 3rd) will use a RUF BTR for the next round which they attend.

    All cars race on Sports Medium tyres and are tuned to limits of 1350kg, 630PP and 630BHP
    . Race Duration 25 Minutes with no pit stops. Practise 5 minutes, Qualifying 5 minutes (subject to track length).

    Colour Options: Body - any colour excluding matte, chrome and colour change finishes. Wheels race appropriate - any colour excluding chrome and colour change. Your Host will advise if your wheels are not appropriate in style or colour.

    Wings are positively encouraged - the bigger the better as they have long been a feature of AMOC Intermarque racing.



    Historic BSCC 2 - Race 1 & 2 (15 minutes)

    (NB Historic BSCC 1 was held in Autumn 2014) Historic BSCC 2 is a recreation of british saloon car championship racing during the period 1959 to 1965 using substitute cars (as the real ones are missing from GT6). Note, during this period the races contained cars in four classes (A-D) normally racing at the same time and the champion at the end of the year could come from any of the classes. We are using Room Limits of 500bhp, 545PP with a minimum weight limit of 640kg, but for the sake of simplicity we have only two classes: Class 1 for cars with up to 500bhp (Silver License Drivers only) and Class 2 for the lower powered cars (Gold and Platinum Drivers only). Please refer to the Room Limits poster for full detail - Note to achieve fair racing the cars should not exceed the values given in the poster.

    Race 1: Grid based on qualifying position. Race duration 15 minutes, qualifying 5 minutes approximately.

    Race 2: Grid based on previous race results. Race duration 15 minutes, no qualifying.

    The points from race 1 and 2 will be totalled to give each drivers championship position. Two championships are scored: overall and class 2.

    Class 2 = Classic Mini 1998, Nissan Skyline 1970, Isuzu Bellet GTR 1969
    Class 1 = Shelby GT350, Buick Special, Jaguar S Type R



    The Champions and their Cars

    1959 Jeff Uren wins the BSCC driving his privately entered and prepared Ford Zephyr - a saloon car with a 2.6 litre straight 6 cylinder engine - at the start of the season Ford had said they didn't need him, but after he beats the Works Team, his reward is a Ford Factory drive and a Ford Motorsports Management role. He is then recruited by John Willment to be Manager of the Willment Team - probably Europe's largest race team, in it's busiest year fielding 27 cars in 9 championships across 3 continents! During 1964 Willment build and develop their own version of the Cobra Daytona Coupe based on Peter Brock's design. Jeff then goes on to develop and sell his own range of Ford based performance cars selling over 500 examples - the most famous being the 3 litre V6 Cortina Mark 2 based "Savage" and the 5 litre V8 Boss Mustang powered Capri "Stampede".
    Jeff Uren - Zephyr Substitute - Nissan Skyline 2000 GTR 1970 - the cars are not very similar in appearance, but both feature a straight six engine.



    1961 Sir John Whitmore wins the BSCC driving a BMC Mini Minor. In 1965 driving an Alan Mann prepared Ford Cortina Lotus Sir John wins the European Touring Car Championship (ETCC). After racing a 7 litre Ford GT40 Mark 2 at Le Mans in 1966 Sir John retires from motor racing to concentrate on family life and a new career.
    Sir John Whitmore - Mini Minor Substitute - Mini Cooper 1998.


    1962 John Love wins the BSCC driving a Mini Cooper, beating his team mate Sir John Whitmore. John Love goes on to win the South African National F1 championship 6 times.
    John Love - Mini Minor Substitute - Mini Cooper 1998.



    1963 Jack Sears wins the BSCC driving a Ford Galaxie (4 races) a Ford Cortina 1500 GT (3 races) and a Ford Lotus Cortina (3 races). Jack is tempted away from the Equipe Endeavour Jaguar team by Jeff Uren to race for the Willment team on the promise of a Holman Moody prepared NASCAR spec 7 litre Ford Galaxie. The Galaxie doesn't arrive until later in the season so he starts with a Cortina GT - just 2 weeks after receiving the Cortina GT from Ford Jeff Uren has prepared and developed the car - on its debut race "Gentleman" Jack takes a class win. The 7 litre Ford Galaxie arrives and Jack takes the 450bhp monster to 3 overall wins out of 4 (with 1 DNF) despite having a clutch designed for NASCAR's rolling starts which has to be babied off the line. For the final 3 races of the season Jack uses the Ford Lotus Cortina - he wins the BSCC title in 1963 for the second time (previously 1958 for Austin).

    Galaxie Substitute - Buick Special


    1964 Jim Clark wins the BSCC driving a Ford Cortina Lotus - Scotsman Jim drives for Team Lotus in F1 and competes in both F1 and the BSCC, when the series clash he concentrates on F1 and Sir John Whitmore takes over his Cortina.

    Ford Cortina Lotus Substitute - Isuzu Bellet GTR 1969 - the rounded shape is not very similar, but both cars feature a 1600cc 4 cylinder engine.



    1965 Roy Pierpoint wins the BSCC driving a Ford Mustang - his team mate was the very rapid Baronet Sir Gawaine Baillie of Leeds Castle (Kent). The red painted Mustang Notchback Saloons were prepared by Alan Mann. Jack Brabham also raced a Mustang in BSCC that year - his was dark blue. Roy wins the BSCC in his debut year, helped by team orders slowing Sir Gawaine. In future years when BSCC switches to Group 5 regulations Roy races a fuel injected Ford Falcon while Sir Gawaine races a supercharged Ford Falcon prepared by his own engineering company.

    Ford Mustang Substitute - Shelby GT350


    Jaguar Mark 2 3.8 litre - The Jaguar Mark 2 originally in 3.4 litre then 3.8 litre form was the dominant big saloon in BSCC racing until the arrival of the Ford Galaxie in 1963 and was driven by the top drivers of the day including Graham Hill, Frank Gardner, Jack Sears and Sir Gawaine Baillie. It was also driven to victory in the inaugural ETCC in 1963 by Peter Nocker.

    Jaguar Mark 2 Substitute Car - Jaguar S Type R
     
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    Reserved for Championship Points Tables

    The Series will start with a test day (Round 0) on 3rd January 2016 then run for 12 rounds from 10th January to 27th March 2016.

    The next Series: "Disconnection Cup" will commence with a test day (Round 0) on 3rd April 2016.
     
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    Video Clip for AMOC Intermarque

    This clip features the 800bhp V12 E Type Jaguar AMOC Intermarque racer starting from pit lane and making mincemeat of a field of Jaguar XJ220's, Ferrari F40's, Porsche 935 clones, ultra modified V8 Aston Martins and a host of older Astons. The ultra modified cars such as the V12 Jaguar and carbon fibre AC 428 were eventually outlawed by rule changes:



    Video clips for Historic BSCC

    A nice short clip showing the Jaguar Mark 2's which were the dominant large saloon until the arrival of the Ford Galaxie, Mustang and Falcon. Jaguar Mark 2 European Touring Car Champion 1963.




    Sometimes, as in this clip, rather than hold a race for classes A-D, the cars were split into two races with the small and medium cars in one race (Minis and Cortinas) and the big saloons in another race.




    A great short clip from the BSCC event held at Crystal Palace (London) in 1964.

     
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    2016 Schedule - Note: Cobra Endurance is replaced with "Disconnection Cup" details tba

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    GT Planet OLR Rules

    All drivers are expected to follow the GT Planet OLR Rules - in addition the following rules will apply.

    Rules

    Races will be held each Sunday starting at 17:00 GMT. (During the period of British Summer Time - March to October - meetings will be held one hour earlier 16:00 GMT = 17:00 BST).

    The race meeting will last for slightly less than 2 hours. If the meeting is over running (perhaps due to disconnections) the Host may shorten races or cancel the final race of the meeting as appropriate.

    There will be approximately 5 minutes practise and 5 minutes qualifying before races 1 and 3 (this may be extended subject to track length). Qualifying will normally be of sufficient length to complete 2 or 3 laps. At long circuits such as the Nordschleife and Zahara qualification will involve completion of part of a lap - the game ascertaining who has completed the greatest distance within the time available. The grid order for race 1 and 3 will be fastest qualifier first. The grid order for race 2 is based on previous race results.

    Note: Due to disconnection problems Qualification is suspended with effect from Round 7 until further notice.

    Each race will be on the tyres specified with no driving aids except optional ABS (which most drivers set to 1), edge grip will be real and race starts will have false start check. Penalties off, damage light, slipstream real, no boost. Driving Line will be available if required. Driving Line will be available if drivers require it (most keep it switched off, but you may find it useful if you have not had time to practise or do not know the circuit).

    Some of us have been racing every Sunday since the beginning of GT5 i.e. several years. All drivers are expected to drive in a considerate, careful and mature manner - this includes always driving in the correct direction and no doughnuts (donuts). All ability levels are welcome, from beginner to advanced.

    All Drivers are expected to follow the hosts instructions regarding the race meeting at all times or in his absence the instructions of the Deputy Host (Note, Deputy Hosts include @LexLathor and @IfAndOr).

    The Cars: - No wings or spoilers can be added unless specifically stated.

    Paint should be in age appropriate colours e.g. solid or metallic only, no chrome or polarized finishes. If paint colours are specified for the series they should be used.

    Wheels should be age appropriate for the car and in standard size - if wheels or colour are inappropriate the host will request that the driver change them before the next round. If the type of wheels and / or their colour or size is specified in the thread, this guidance must be followed.

    Where possible bumpers should be removed in order to enhance the race look, unless otherwise specified.

    Bonnets if lightened must be in body paint colour unless specifically stated.

    Any tuning is allowed subject to specified PP, minimum weight and maximum power limits.

    Race numbers must be fitted (if the vehicle allows for this) and must be Type A, Font A.


    Deputy Hosts / Stewards

    @LexLathor @IfAndOr @Flaco13 @eran0004 @tarnheld

    Photographs
    Photographs of the race action are positively encouraged. Race reports and photographs taken by the official race photographers (@IfAndOr and @LexLathor ) and @John Wells will be published in this thread.

    Signups
    Please sign up by sending a message to Sick_Cylinder via your Playstation 3 or via GTPlanet. Note: Drivers already competing in the current championships hosted by Sick Cylinder are automatically signed up.

    There will be up to 16 Regular drivers in the championships plus up to 4 Reserve drivers.

    Absence / Unable to attend races

    If you know that you will be unable to attend certain rounds please inform the Host. It may then be possible for a reserve driver to fill your slot on the grid. If you no longer wish to participate in the championship the first reserve driver will fill your grid slot and will drive the same type of car.

    Reserve Drivers

    If the grid is full you can sign up to be a reserve driver. You will be able to race when a regular driver is absent and the grid therefore has a vacant slot. If a regular driver leaves the championship you will be offered that drivers slot and will become a regular driver using the same type of car as the original regular driver was using (or was scheduled to use).

    If a driver is absent for three consecutive rounds he will be deemed to have become a reserve driver. If a driver is absent for six consecutive rounds he will be deemed to have left the series.

    Questions

    If you have questions regarding the races or comments about quality of driving or other problems etc, please raise these after the meeting with the Host Sick_Cylinder via your Playstation 3 or via the conversation facility on GTPlanet. Please do not raise complaints during the meeting as this is very distracting for other drivers. Also it is best to raise points with a cool head after having had time to consider the matter.

    It is best to reserve postings on this thread for race photos, race reports, links to good tunes or other helpful tips on cars in the car list. Posts about motorsport, cars, motorbikes or other motorised vehicles are also welcome if they are likely to be of interest to GT Planet readers.

    Room Etiquette / Voice chat - this section only applies when voice is enabled (Currently we are running with voice disabled as this appears to reduce disconnections by allowing more bandwidth for racing).

    If drivers speak to each other they should use the PSN name even if they know the drivers real name. All conversations should be in English. Please refrain from talking during races or qualifying as some drivers may find it distracting.

    If Voice chat is enabled during races, the purpose of the voice chat is to enable the leaders to indicate when they are approaching and about to lap another driver. The horn can also be used by the lead driver when about to lap another driver. No offence should be taken by the use of the horn - in this case it is purely a warning signal. To avoid confusion the horn should not be used at any other time including while stationary on the grid. Some drivers do not have microphones or their spoken English may not be good - this does not matter and they will not be discriminated against - they can use the horn to warn the driver in front that they are about to lap. Use of the horn for any purpose other than that outlined may result in a warning and or penalty.

    Voice chat will also enable a driver to indicate if he intends to carry out a pitstop. The procedure will be that at the start of the lap on which he intends to pit, the driver will say his name and that he is pitting at the end of this lap. He will also say that he is about to pit when approaching the pit lane. The driver will also announce when he has left the pits and rejoined the track - while doing so he will endeavour to stay inside the white lines when rejoining.

    For example in my case on crossing the start line I would say "Sick pitting on lap ten". On approaching the pits I would say "Sick entering Pits". On rejoining the race I would say "Sick rejoining race". If a driver is about to be lapped, he should hold a steady course and if possible momentarily lift off the throttle so that the faster driver can pass.

    Race Room Settings
    Start type = Grid start with false start check (this means hold car still with brake until start)
    Grid order = Fastest First (this means start in order of practise lap time)
    Boost = off
    Penalty = Off
    Tyre / Fuel depletion = normal (try to avoid drifting round corners)
    Grip reduction on track edge = real
    Minimum number of pit stops = as specified (Note we are currently not using pit stops as we have suffered from the "Trapped in Pits Bug" on many occasions).
    Require tyre type change = off (this means you can stick with one grade of tyre)
    Race finish delay = 180 seconds (there will be a wide range of abilities of driver) - NB this is not used when Endurance is selected.
    Visible damage = off (this prevents spoiling the look of photos)
    Mechanical damage = Light (if you have a crash the damage will repair itself after a short period)
    Slipstream strength = Real
    Tyre = As specified
    Nitrous = Prohibited
    Vehicle Tuning = No Limit (but check BHP, KG and PP limits) Or Prohibited as specified.
    Skid recovery force = prohibited
    Active steering = prohibited
    Active stability management = prohibited
    Driving line = available if required
    Traction control = prohibited
    ABS = available if required (if racing without ABS, please take extra care not to skid into other cars)

    Note race finish delay will be set at 60 seconds when short races are selected.

    Due to network instability / disconnection problems all races will be short from round 7 onwards until further notice.


    PIT STOPS - IMPORTANT INFORMATION - Note compulsory pit stops not currently in use
    There will be one compulsory pitstop to change tyres in races exceeding 20 minutes in duration unless stated otherwise. If pit stops are in use tyre wear will be set to fast.

    If you fail to take a pitstop the game will automatically give you a 50 second penalty.

    You can take your pitstop on any lap apart from the last lap.

    If you take your pitstop on the last lap the host will give you a 30 second penalty (Unfortunately this is necessary due to an error in GT6 which fails to conduct a proper pitstop on the final lap).

    No pit stops will be held if the track does not have a pit lane (e.g. London) and tyre wear will be slowed from fast to normal.

    Championship points
    We will use the MotoGP points system as we have in previous championships as this awards points down to 15th place as follows and offers an appropriate differentiation for higher placings:

    1st = 25
    2nd = 20
    3rd = 16
    4th = 13
    5th = 11
    6th = 10
    7th = 9
    8th = 8
    9th = 7
    10th = 6
    11th = 5
    12th = 4
    13th = 3
    14th = 2
    15th = 1
    16th = 0

    There are two individual championships running simultaneously, therefore it is possible that one driver could win both championships. In the event of a points tie the champion will be the driver with the greatest number of 1st place finishes - if this is tied, it will be the driver with the greatest number of second place finishes etc. and so on.

    The scores from the two lowest scoring round are deducted before the final scores are declared. The purpose of this is to enable drivers to be absent for up to two rounds without damaging their championship chances. The two lowest scoring rounds are defined as those rounds in which the total points achieved in race 1 and race 2 are the lowest.

    Bad internet connections / PS3 Problems
    If the Host is disconnected by an internet or PS3 problem, the Deputy Host (@LexLathor will Host the meeting.

    If a driver leaves a race after it has started due to an internet or PS3 problem the Host will award points equivalent to a last place finish in the race.

    If a driver has a bad connection such that his or her car is lagging excessively and unpredictably the Host may ask the driver to leave and re-enter the room.

    To reduce the risk of bad internet connections all drivers should empty their system cache before the race meeting starts and before re-entering the room if disconnected. It is also best if PS3's are connected by cable rather than by WiFi. For technical advice regarding optimising your connection please send a message to @IfAndOr and indicate that you race with @Sick Cylinder

    All drivers should make every effort to ensure that they have a good connection: PS3's should be hard wired to the router via an Ethernet cable. If this is not possible use powerline network adapters.

    Practise - A series of practise / test races will be held during Round 0 - these are not part of the championship, but are an opportunity to check room settings and test cars. After the championships have been completed another practise / test meeting / Round 0 will be held before the start of the next championship.
     
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  6. John Wells

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    Goodwood Revival 2015.


     
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  7. Harsk100

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    My head says to finish 4th in every race to avoid the Penalty car! Will the championship winning work if I avoid the penalty car?
     
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    I tried it. And doesn't work. For example: 2x4th place=26points. 1x1st+1x15th=26points.
     
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    Okay. Lex, could you send me a PM about it, please?
     
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    Sick, how does this work?

    Am I correct assuming since I start with Mini in BSCC, I therefore start with Jaguar in AMOC?

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    Also, great to use the Bellet since it's based on the Opel Kadett C! :tup::tup::tup::tup::tup::tup:
    A little sad the Lotus Esprit isn't in...:confused:

    P.S. I would like to wait until Sick Cylinder himself replies to this... :ouch:
     
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    The Lotus Esprit was removed from the car list to keep the car selection simple.

    Well, that's strange for me that a driver will drive the Penalty Car at the next round just because he had finished 4th on purpose to avoid the Penalty Car... :sick:
     
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    Then just don't finish 4th if you can get to the podium, especially don't do it on purpose. I believe Lex's calculation above already made it clear that it's not worth it. I also believe that the RUF can be competitive enough.
     
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    So, if I start with Isuzu Bellet GT-R in BSCC-2, then I will start with a Ferrari in AMOC 80 Intermarque, right? I just want to make sure.
     
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    I am ready for AMOC 80 Intermarque:
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    I hope the colours are correct.
     
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    Why didn't you put wings on the Ferrari and the RUF BTR? I thought that the wings could be put for all cars...
     
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    Wing on 512BB is impossible. RUF is very ugly with wing.
     
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    Yes - That is how the car table works. I didn't put names on the AMOC table because I thought it was self explanatory, but I will alter it to make it clearer.

    Edit - AMOC Car Table has now been amended to improve clarity.

    There is no need for anyone good enough to score a podium to fear the Ruf - it has the most power and in expert hands is very fast. It is not an easy car to drive or set up, but in the hands of an expert driver it should produce competitive lap times.

    The 2016 AMOC calendar is now up - if anyone wants to see good racing in the UK at a reasonable price with a top quality field of classic cars I don't think you can beat AMOC race meetings.

    http://www.amocracing.org/
     
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    Are silver drivers, just using one car for, AMOC?:)
     
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    I think that we should use the Shelby GT350R instead of a regular GT350, because the GT350R is a race car, while the regular GT350 is a road car.
     
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    OK, thanks. So I'm free to choose which of the recommended models I prefer and also it's colour, wing size, wing colour and race number?
     
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    No - Cars are changed at Round 5 and 9 so you use 3 cars in total during the 12 AMOC races.

    Yes - So for example when it is your turn to race a Jaguar you choose either an XKR or XKRS and when it is your turn to race an Aston Martin you choose either a DB9 or V12 Vantage and there are three choices of Ferrari.

    Wings should be as large as possible and can either be black or painted. Colour choice of AMOC cars is free (but no chrome, matte or colour change / polarizing paints please). Your race number should be fitted, font A type A.

    No - I am sure I have already answered this query before! Whenever possible I use premium cars in preference to standard models. The cars that we use are normally substitutes because the exact models are not in GT6. The Ford Mustang used by Roy Pierpoint to win the BSCC title in 1965 was a Mustang Notchback saloon prepared by Alan Mann Racing. The Shelby GT350 we are using will be raced with the bumpers on and the normal front grille so that it looks similar to the one raced by Roy Pierpoint, his team mate Sir Gawaine Baillie and their rival in the Alan Brown car - Sir Jack Brabham. The GT350R is a standard model and does not have the right front end look and is therefore not appropriate - in addition all the testing and matching of the cars was done using the GT350 and not the GT350R.

    Below top Alan Mann Mustangs of Roy Pierpoint and Sir Gawaine Baillie in BSCC trim in 1965 - on the right Jim Clark Lotus Cortina. Below bottom Alan Mann Mustangs in endurance race trim - judging by the extra lights.

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    What kind of specs did these real life BSCC cars have?

    The reason I'm asking is because 260 bhp is a lot to feed through the front wheels of a 640 kg car. I've got a Mini right now with 140 bhp (no turbo, semi-race exhaust) and that's about as far as I want to push it. So may I suggest that the specs for the class 2 cars are brought down a little? In my opinion 140 bhp / 640 kg / 445 pp feels good for the Mini, I haven't tested the other class 2 cars yet.

    Edit: An interesting thing with the Mini is that it only needs three wheels to go around a corner :D

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    Can I miss the first 3 races, so I'm free from the Point Drops?
     
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    Are you using Dark Green Sick, as in the photo above for the Jaguar:)
     
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    There is no need to worry - in Historic BSCC 1 we used the same specs with the Mini and raced it against the Renault 8 Gordini and the Buick Special - because this championship was a great success in terms of close racing and popularity I started planning BSCC 2. For this championship the number of cars is increased from three to six and the number of classes from one to two. The cars have all been carefully tested at these specs to produce close racing within each class and also between the classes.

    Sometimes my series include a disclaimer that the specs are not realistic, but have been selected in order to produce close, exciting racing - perhaps I should make sure this is always included. Originally I gave details of the real performance figures in the introduction, but edited this out as it is very easy to give too much information and make the thread confusing.

    As explained in the introduction there were originally four classes of car based on engine capacity and it was possible for the champion to come from any of the classes. The use of unrealistic specs enables us to group the cars into one class as we did for Historic BSCC 1 or two classes as we have for Historic BSCC 2.


    There are only two dropped scores - three were allowed in the series which was run in the summer, because most people have holiday or other commitments which cause absence. You can miss the first two rounds if you want, but that is a bad idea for several reasons - you may have a round where you score badly because of the track or because of contact with other cars, you could also have a bad round due to disconnections. You could also have a round where your connection is lagging and therefore the Host has to ask you to leave and you may also have an unplanned absence. Attending the rounds hopefully is enjoyable to people so they will try to attend them all regardless of the possibility of dropping scores.
     
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    I already have imagined that, but in 1966 Sports Car Cup & 1967 Three Ten Cup, I had a very bad start because in first round I had controller issues and in 2nd round, I got disconnected before I could do the qualify.
     
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    Alright, I'm going to do my best to fight the understeer then :tup:
     
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    I still didn't pick my Ferrari yet, as I want to drive the Ferrari which handles better for me. ;)

    So, I'll be earning money for the F40. I have both 512BB and F430 Ready.
     
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    Is there a list of everyone's numbers somewhere? I would of course like to use my usual #25, but I'll use #40 if it's not available.

    BSCC looks fun and I'm looking forward to it, especially after the last series where the MR cars were torture to drive/too fast for me. But I'm a bit leery of the AMOC since I can safely say I've never driven any of those cars in the game before. I'm sure I'll struggle.
     
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