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Yea I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar to a Gundam in say 100 years. Look at how far the airplane has come in 100 years. something that used to be made out of paper and wood with the only metal part being the frame and engine to save weight. Now we have an F/A 18 hornet that weight anywhere from 12tons to 15tons and moves faster, further, and is more agile and is superior in every way. all that in less then 100 years.
 
That's true, I think the ultra compact fusion reactor was only possible because of the Minovsky particle, right? Maybe the Large Hardron Collider will bring about stuff like that, who knows :lol: I do think Mobile Suits could be easier built for use in space. I just think it would be hard to have them be to the same scale and weight if they were real and used on the surface. I mean, that's a lot of mass to move, I can't see something as massive as a Mobile Suit being able to run, or jump that well, without the ground under it giving way.

For the RX-79g...

Dimensions: overall height 18.2 meters; head height 18.0 meters
Weight: empty 52.8 metric tons; max gross 73.0 metric tons
Armor materials: lunar titanium alloy
Powerplant: Minovsky type ultracompact fusion reactor, output rated at 1350 kW


It's such a small contact patch compared to it's weight. Then again, I don't know how big of feet it really has...
Meh, but I just looked and an Abrams M1 is 60 tones, so perhaps I'm being to harsh. And, one more interesting thing about the Abrams, it's output from it's gas turbine engine is 1,119kW the output for the RX-79g being 1,350kW. Not that Sci-Fi will transfer to science fact, but maybe it all more feasible than I thought. The output numbers for the RX-79g are likely to just be arbitrary numbers thought up, but I wonder if that gas turbine turned an electric generator, could it make enough power to run something like that? Or how much power would something like that even take to run. But then it could not operate outside the atmosphere, still would need a reactor to make the electricity. Not that I expect an answer, just wondering really.

But in other series like the less believable Wing, the suits like Zero being a more feasible, but still heavy 8.0 Metric tones and 16 meters tall. Maybe it could fall somewhere in the middle?

It would be pretty cool if it were possible. I like the idea of Space Colonies too.

This can't be any more lame than wishing lightsabers were real right? :lol:
 
Yea I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar to a Gundam in say 100 years. Look at how far the airplane has come in 100 years. something that used to be made out of paper and wood with the only metal part being the frame and engine to save weight. Now we have an F/A 18 hornet that weight anywhere from 12tons to 15tons and moves faster, further, and is more agile and is superior in every way. all that in less then 100 years.

lol, don't count on it. At best you might see what many call "powered suits", which would basically be like mechanized suits of armor. Right now the limiting factor with that is powering such a suit. But, as far as 60 ft mechs go, you most likely will never see one given that it would some how have to best the capabilities of both land and air vehicles. If you stick to the ground you will need tons of armor (like a tank), heavy weapons, and other things that add lots of weight. Tanks get around moving their weight around by using tracks (which spread out their weight over a large area) and high output internal combustion or turbine engines to motivate them up to 45 mph. On the other hand, if you want something capable of dealing with aircraft, you will need something light and capable of high speed flight. This is why you wont see any significant change in military hardware for a very long time. I'd say a good bit more than 100 years. Though, in the not too distant future combat will probably leave the Earth's atmosphere. Combat space planes GO! :p

Oh, and as far as turbine generators go, they can indeed develop megawatt levels of output, depending on their size. A bus sized GE H System generator can put out 520 Mw of electricity. A large truck sized LM2500 can make around 22 Mw of energy. The only problem with turbine power generation is higher fuel consumption compared to internal combustion generators. On the other hand turbine-electric systems are MUCH lighter than internal combustion based systems.

Also I tend to have a preference to the variable fighters from the various Macross series recently. Nothing like a fighter jet that turns into a mech. :sly:
 
That's true, where would they even store a large quantity of fuel to operate for any significant amount of time? An external tank would be like a large easy target, which is not to say an 18 meter mech would be anywhere near a small target:lol: I guess they could use something like a back pack, that would be self sealing, like fuel cells on an Apachie. But then I doubt that would protect against an RPG or shoulder launched missile. Even if the armor could take that kind of hit, without fuel it's useless.

Actually a bit of an interesting article pertaining to building a Mobile Suit.
 
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That's true, I think the ultra compact fusion reactor was only possible because of the Minovsky particle, right? Maybe the Large Hardron Collider will bring about stuff like that, who knows :lol: I do think Mobile Suits could be easier built for use in space. I just think it would be hard to have them be to the same scale and weight if they were real and used on the surface. I mean, that's a lot of mass to move, I can't see something as massive as a Mobile Suit being able to run, or jump that well, without the ground under it giving way.

For the RX-79g...

Dimensions: overall height 18.2 meters; head height 18.0 meters
Weight: empty 52.8 metric tons; max gross 73.0 metric tons
Armor materials: lunar titanium alloy
Powerplant: Minovsky type ultracompact fusion reactor, output rated at 1350 kW


It's such a small contact patch compared to it's weight. Then again, I don't know how big of feet it really has...
Meh, but I just looked and an Abrams M1 is 60 tones, so perhaps I'm being to harsh. And, one more interesting thing about the Abrams, it's output from it's gas turbine engine is 1,119kW the output for the RX-79g being 1,350kW. Not that Sci-Fi will transfer to science fact, but maybe it all more feasible than I thought. The output numbers for the RX-79g are likely to just be arbitrary numbers thought up, but I wonder if that gas turbine turned an electric generator, could it make enough power to run something like that? Or how much power would something like that even take to run. But then it could not operate outside the atmosphere, still would need a reactor to make the electricity. Not that I expect an answer, just wondering really.

But in other series like the less believable Wing, the suits like Zero being a more feasible, but still heavy 8.0 Metric tones and 16 meters tall. Maybe it could fall somewhere in the middle?

It would be pretty cool if it were possible. I like the idea of Space Colonies too.

This can't be any more lame than wishing lightsabers were real right? :lol:

Man, I've been wanting to build a Gundam since I were in high school. :lol:

As for the statistics they're actually based on scientific fact, theory and/or revelations of a previous understanding. Minovsky physics are remarkably similar to real-life nuclear physics save for a few extrapolations here and there (it's a cartoon...push the boundaries. :p). Some, rather most of the technology is already available here and is in use but the difference being the capabilities and resources used to maintain everything. The propulsion on the other hand is one of those things that push the boundaries. Pilots can barely withstand go faster than the speed of sound without disorientation, the typical mobile suit, or even the more advanced core fighters are leaps and bounds quicker, more agile, more precise, and nearly weightless in flight (again, due to the Minovsy particle, GN Particle, and whatever SEED used).

That's not really feasible here as the pilot would be dead long before sub light-speed is even achieved. :p

The beam weaponry would pretty much annihilate anything within a 10-15 foot radius from the firing range, if not further. Dense particles just don't play very well when exposed to a "free" environment.
 
A typical fighter aircraft can often carry as much as half of its own weight in fuel alone. Add in weapons and many aircraft literally double their empty weight when they reach their max takeoff weight. And as you know, many fighters are capable of flying at over Mach 2, while their subsonic cruise ranges exceed 2000 miles in most cases. So far the fastest "fighter" aircraft ever built was the 100+ ft long, 2,200 mph (Mach 3.2) YF-12A Blackbird, which was canceled before it entered service.
Now, a mech would need obscene amounts of energy to attain flight as they do in many Gundam series. And as everyone knows, for flight to be attained weight is the enemy. This is the main reason Gundams could never be feasible.

And as far as beam weapons go.... I think they are overrated :p
But then I do generally have a strong bias to kinetic energy based weapons (bullets, missiles, etc) due to the amount of energy something so cheap can release upon impact. An artillery gun sized rail gun firing a solid tungsten projectile the size of a typical artillery round could unleash the power of a 2000 lb bomb upon impact. Beam weaponry is also extremely limited by the earth's atmosphere, which can weaken a beam over distance. The YAL-1 Airborne Laser, which is a Boeing 747-400 freighter rigged with a 1 Mw output chemical laser requires a 6 ft diameter adjustable mirror to help compensate for the earth's atmosphere. This allows it to fire its beam at missiles up to 200 miles away. On the other hand the entire system is so large it requires the aforementioned 747-400 to carry it all. Also the chemicals used to generate the beam are rather toxic and reactive, which limits the platforms the system could be used on. Particle beam weaponry like in most mech based series would require enormous amounts of energy to be put into them to release an effective beam. City destroying beams of doom will probably stay sci-fi for several more generations. Oh, and real beam weapons tend to be invisible to the naked eye ;)
 
Now, a mech would need obscene amounts of energy to attain flight as they do in many Gundam series. And as everyone knows, for flight to be attained weight is the enemy. This is the main reason Gundams could never be feasible.

Again, right back to the Minovsky particle or the likes thereof.

The particles allow the suits (most, not all) to have nearly no mass (absolutely none in the case of the GN Drive, then again that doesn't utilize forced propulsion) when in flight so weight is literally of no concern. I'm not saying that would be the case here, but that is the case. :D

And as far as beam weapons go.... I think they are overrated :p
But then I do generally have a strong bias to kinetic energy based weapons (bullets, missiles, etc) due to the amount of energy something so cheap can release upon impact. An artillery gun sized rail gun firing a solid tungsten projectile the size of a typical artillery round could unleash the power of a 2000 lb bomb upon impact. Beam weaponry is also extremely limited by the earth's atmosphere, which can weaken a beam over distance. The YAL-1 Airborne Laser, which is a Boeing 747-400 freighter rigged with a 1 Mw output chemical laser requires a 6 ft diameter adjustable mirror to help compensate for the earth's atmosphere. This allows it to fire its beam at missiles up to 200 miles away. On the other hand the entire system is so large it requires the aforementioned 747-400 to carry it all. Also the chemicals used to generate the beam are rather toxic and reactive, which limits the platforms the system could be used on. Particle beam weaponry like in most mech based series would require enormous amounts of energy to be put into them to release an effective beam. City destroying beams of doom will probably stay sci-fi for several more generations. Oh, and real beam weapons tend to be invisible to the naked eye ;)

Beam weapons, or the particles emitted from said weapon? :p

I'm kidding.
 
No luck in finding those two models in Toys R Us, Terronium-12 but I'm not surprised as TRU doesn't stock the best stuff. I'll have a look next time I'm in the model shops.
 
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No luck in finding those two models in Toys R Us, Terronium-12 but I'm not surprised as TRU doesn't stock the best stuff. I'll have a look next time I'm in the model shops.

Please, call me Michael or Mike. Reading my entire user name like that makes me sound like a robot. :lol:
 
So, how do you put these things together? Do they snap together or do you glue it or what?
 
You never need glue, sometimes it helps. It all snaps together, however in the case of some MG (Master Grade) and PG (Perfect Grade) kits, you will use small nuts and bolts to put together joints and things like that. Also, PG kits come with some sort of light up something, be it eyes, head camera, or other pieces that need to be wired in. Master Grade 1/100 and Perfect grade 1/60 being the higher detail models. They have things like internal skeletons and whatnot you build and attach the armor to. Building them is probably the least complicated part, it's making them look good after that can be tricky. Which is not to say they don't look good out of the box, but a bit of detail work makes them that much better.
 
Snap together. G-System (resin kits) and the likes thereof need to be glued and painted entirely.

EDIT: Beaten to it.
 
Indeed, most of these kits are just snap together. But, there tend to be LOTS of parts. My VF-27 Lucifer came in a box bigger than many of my 1/48 scale planes. Lots of parts trees thanks to all the moving bits and pieces.
And here is one more quick pic of the VF-27, this time with a same scale (1/72 scale) M1A2 Abrams:
 
lol, don't count on it.

dont worry i didnt. :sly:

At least not for a military type weapon. I could see it being used in say the construction business to replace things such as fork lifts and bulldozers and cranes and such and allowing 1 machine to do all these jobs. im sure the military might find a use for something Gundam like but not to the size in shows.
 
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That's pretty cool there Venom. Those are Ban-Dai as well correct?

Yes, Bandai indeed. It is unpainted (I probably won't ever paint it), and still missing most all the decals. Reason I won't paint it is mainly the fact that not only do I lack the colors, but I do not like painting models to match their original schemes. If I were to paint the VF-27, it would most likely end up some fantasy color like most of my other kits...
That and I am really lazy right now :p
 
Thought they made those kits 💡

Speedy, that is coming along very nicely! I'm getting the urge to buy a new kit now, just to spend time detailing and weathering. I think your technique is coming out much better than mine did, although it looks much better in person where you can see the details, I left too many seam lines unattended... I'll redo it again one day :lol: I think I want to make a 1/100 Gouf Custom, just in a lighter blue, sun baked paint look I guess? Kind of like the color of the new limited edition Gravity Battle line Gouf Custom, but with the cheaper 08th ms team Norris Packard MG. Hopefully to an end result like this.
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I think that's out of the box with the weathering too, but that takes the fun out of it :lol:

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Always wanted one of those as well.


If only I enjoyed building model cars as much...
 
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My god...

I love the Gouf Custom.

Nice, Strike...Strike...damnit I can't remember it's name. In any case, great job going there Speedy. 👍

EDIT: Strike E, that's what it is.
 
And it begins...

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Just got the camera and haven't really messed around with anything yet, so I apologize for any over-saturation or hue differences. Bare with me.

More to come!!!

EDIT: Large pictures that were large have been resized.

...And one I missed.

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More...

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Right leg.

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A closer look at the right leg.

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An even closer look at the right leg.

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Right side of the right leg showing the inserts for the GN Condenser.

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Left side showing off the two piece decal. It says "GN-00 00 Gundam"

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One of the many pieces from the hologram sheets, this one is right along the ankle of the leg.

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Not one of the more flexible PG models in regards to the leg designs, but it makes up for it with how much weight it can withstand.

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GN Condenser. As I explained before this acts as a clutch allowing the lower half of the leg to either remain straight, or should you decide to depress the Condenser you can bend the leg (you have to keep the condenser pressed down while doing so).

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A closer look at the clutch release mechanism and the spring.

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GN Condenser disassembled. Doesn't look like much, right?

Keep on thinking that. :p
 
Very cool man, love the little details they throw in. It's not a pearl kit is it? Maybe I just need to go to sleep :lol: but it looks like the cockpit and some other parts are either metallic or pearl. Do the GP01 feet have that much articulation? 👍
 
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Very cool man, love the little details they throw in. It's not a pearl kit is it? Maybe I just need to go to sleep :lol: but it looks like the cockpit and some other parts are either metallic or pearl. Do the GP01 feet have that much articulation? 👍

Not at the base of the foot, no.

It's not a pearl kit, only the hologram pieces are all...actually I don't even know how to explain it. :p

I'll upload some more pictures of what I've gotten done thus far, but I'm nowhere near done with the model.
 
Let's begin with the upper body...

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It's a bit blurry, but it reads "GN...." the rest of the text is too small to read without a magnifying glass.

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Also a bit blurry, but the point is to show the hip/waist articulation.

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Articulation of the breast armor venting plates.

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A closer (perhaps better than the rest) look at the cockpit hatch/cockpit

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Breast plate armor.

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All of the pieces that make up just the overlying endoskeletal structure. The chest can be further disassembled showing a basic cylindrical design.

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Yet another piece from one of the hologram sheets. This one is sectioned between the hip.
 
And now the head...

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Ew, a fingerprint. :lol:

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Celestial Being. (Just in case we've got some blind people here. :p)

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LED power!

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Side-view with LED turned on.

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Front. Will look a lot better once I'm able to detail and paint the eyes instead of using the provided sticker.

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Exposed.

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Another sticker that can't be read without the use of a magnifying glass, or perhaps telescopic vision. Any takers?

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Transparent piece used to distribute the light from the LED

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LED power, again!

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Bottom of the LED module, notice the switch to the far right.
 

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