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Scion is Toyota's attempt to appeal to the younger crowd.

Toyota has Lexus which is like Acura.
 
It's the same motor that's in the Camry if I remember correctly.
 
WJHMH
It's the same motor that's in the Camry if I remember correctly.
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It is. It's also shared with the second-gen xB.

To answer the O.P.'s question, Scion is a Toyota brand.

The tC is the only car unique to Scion; the xD is a rebadged Toyota iSt, while the xB is a fat cow that's also sold as the Corolla Rumion in Japan.

BTW, I have an xD.
 
Well...

The Scion tC is based on the European-market Auris, which offered a small, yet solid platform to build what is otherwise a Celica-successor. A lot of the parts are carried over from other Toyota and Scion products, primarily the Camry and then the (then) xA/xB twins. If you haven't seen one in person, prepared to be surprised. The car is absolutely ginormous. If anything, the car is the successor to the ST204 Celica, not the T230 style that ended that nameplate. Its big, its heavy, and its Camry-powered. Personally, I'm not a fan. Not when there are better coupes available on the market.
 
Ohh My Buddha
is the Scion tC a car made from Toyota? I understand how Honda has Acura. Is Scion anything like that? The tC looks like a Corolla.
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yes Toyota manufactures Scions. Toyota has it's luxury brand as well as this new 'young generation' appealing Scions. i think it was a great move by Toyota but the look-a-likes are becoming redundant and uglier by the day. my fave Scions the original xA and the tC's. you'll also notice at a Toyota dealer, alot of TRD applications for Scion chassis from the old xA to the xB and the tC. TRD had a great supercharger for the tC back in '07 i'd have to find the old Sport Compact Car issue's it was in for the specs.
 
The only problem with the TRD Supercharged tCs was that, by the time they left the dealer, they cost more than the Chevrolet Cobalt SS, had less BHP, and didn't handle nearly as well. Toyota dropped the ball by using the 2.4L in the tC, I think. But then after spending some time with the car, I don't think the 1.8L would have been adequate to get the car rolling around.

...Which always had me asking why they never, say "just for fun," stuffed the 3.5L in there from the Camry.
 
i felt dropping in a Camry motor was a bonehead moved Toyota clearly picked up from Nissan. have you noticed how many Nissan/Infiniti's had the VQ35DE motor in it? understandable in the Maxima and 350Z/G35 (coupe/sedan), not so much in the Nissan Quest van, the FX35 truck is a hit or miss it could go either way. they might as well had tried the 35DE in the Primeria or Sentra because Nissan shoved it everywhere but their own colons. so yes Toyota should just out and say they did it for fun, i really cant support them on that move just seem as dumb as Toyota's being manufactured in a Subaru plant lol.
 
There's a difference when the VQ35 is not only pretty reliable but also makes good power. And sharing a motor in many applications reduces cost (see: GM small block V8). Now, a 2.4L ~170hp Camry engine? Snore.
 
SRinc.
reduces cost yes! beneficial? i cant call it. See GM sales...
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So, every car needs an engine developed specifically for it?

Not doing this is far from why GM is in its current situation. And arguably it has nothing to do with its cars at all.
 
Case in point:
In the 1970s and early 80s, each of GMs divisions had their own individual small block V8 design (some of them had their own big blocks as well). Yet they made hundreds of millions of dollars and set sales records.
 
Eric.
So, every car needs an engine developed specifically for it?

Not doing this is far from why GM is in its current situation. And arguably it has nothing to do with its cars at all.
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did i say that ummm no? its a great way to reduce cost yes and i CLEARLY SAID THAT ALREADY but in this case a 3.5L Camry motor in a Scion? bonehead move. VQ35DE's in everything in your line up and sub's line-up. bonehead move. but i must say in my opinion Honda/Acura and Nissan/Infiniti does a better job at. look at Honda with their variety of D, B, K, F, J, and H series motors amongst it line-up. the B20 that comes stock in older CRV's fits fine in a Accord, Teggy, CRX, Civic, Del Sol. as well as the K, H, and F20B in the Accord chassis and Integra as well with proper mounts. just because they can work in other chassis doesn't mean lets save loot and put the same motor in our complete line up. you see about a dozen Nissan/Infiniti's badged 3.5, and i'm presuming that the same is going to happen with the stronger 37DE. it just seems like a lackluster way to go about car production, but AGAIN i fully understand the reasoning behind it. GM sales suck, because their cars suck... gas that is. it's all about MPG's now and hybrids and going green and on and on.
 
Straight from Wiki:
Scion tC, based on the Toyota Avensis platform
2008 models:
* Engine: 2.4 L Dual Overhead Cam (DOHC) 16-valve 4-cylinder with VVT-i, compression ratio of 9.6:1 for the 2005 and 2006 models and 9.8:1 for 2007-2009.
* Displacement: 2382 cc
* Power: 161 hp (120 kW) @ 6,000 rpm / 200 hp with TRD Supercharger
* Torque: 163 ft·lbf (220 N·m)@ 4,000 rpm / 185 ft·lbf with TRD Supercharger
* Transmission: Standard 5-speed manual transmission or optional 4-speed electronically controlled automatic transmission
* Highway fuel economy/consumption: 25-30 mi/U.S. gal (8.1 L/100 km) (automatic); 28-32 mi/U.S. gal (7.8 L/100 km) (manual)
* City fuel economy/consumption: 23-28 mi/U.S. gal (10.7 L/100 km) (automatic); 24-29 mi/U.S. gal (10.7 L/100 km) (manual)
* Fuel tank: 14.5 US gal (55 L; 12 imp gal)
* Curb weight: 2,970 lb (1,347 kg) (automatic); 2,905 lb (1,318 kg) (manual)
 
good good, i'll read it over in the morning. its almost 4 A.M. where i am and all i see are squiggly lines consisting of numbers and letters.
 
Toronado
Case in point:
In the 1970s and early 80s, each of GMs divisions had their own individual small block V8 design (some of them had their own big blocks as well). Yet they made hundreds of millions of dollars and set sales records.
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That wasn't because they had unique engines though, it was because people actually wanted the cars. Or is that what you were getting at?

Best example of engine - and indeed platform - sharing being used for anything and everything and working very well: VAG.

3.2 litre V6? Get it in an Audi TT, or if you fancy a saloon, the A4 and A6. Or a bigger coupe, like the A5. Or perhaps you just want a fairly hot hatch. R32 Golf it is then. Or perhaps you're a little loony and tall enough to see over the dashboard of the Beetle RSI. Or a bored-out version in the Touareg or Passat R36.

Don't even get me started on their 1.9 and 2.0 TDI engines which you can find in virtually anything smaller than the VW Touareg and bigger than the Polo, or the 2.0 TFSI from the Golf GTI/Leon Cupra/Octavia vRS/Audi A3/A4/Tiguan etc etc.

Toyota probably decided the Camry lump was best for the tC. It's bigger than the engine they put in the MR-2 and Celica (and the current Elise) and produces more torque at lower revs so it's more suitable for the heavier and larger tC body, but it's not too heavy and large like the V6 would have been which would have made the car a lovely understeering mess even if the power would have been improved. And of course, financially it provides great economies of scale as they produce it in great numbers anyway.
 
SRinc.
did i say that ummm no? its a great way to reduce cost yes and i CLEARLY SAID THAT ALREADY but in this case a 3.5L Camry motor in a Scion? bonehead move. VQ35DE's in everything in your line up and sub's line-up. bonehead move. but i must say in my opinion Honda/Acura and Nissan/Infiniti does a better job at. look at Honda with their variety of D, B, K, F, J, and H series motors amongst it line-up. the B20 that comes stock in older CRV's fits fine in a Accord, Teggy, CRX, Civic, Del Sol. as well as the K, H, and F20B in the Accord chassis and Integra as well with proper mounts. just because they can work in other chassis doesn't mean lets save loot and put the same motor in our complete line up. you see about a dozen Nissan/Infiniti's badged 3.5, and i'm presuming that the same is going to happen with the stronger 37DE. it just seems like a lackluster way to go about car production, but AGAIN i fully understand the reasoning behind it. GM sales suck, because their cars suck... gas that is. it's all about MPG's now and hybrids and going green and on and on.
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I'm not sure why it's a bonehead move. Care to explain?


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I'm not sure why it's a bonehead move. Care to explain?


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Exactly. I mean, they've got this really good (by every account I've heard) 3.5L V6, which makes anywhere from ~250hp to right around 300hp. It sounds good, its reliable, and it fits in what they need it to. So, why should they make something else when what they have is just right for the job?
 
homeforsummer
Toyota probably decided the Camry lump was best for the tC. It's bigger than the engine they put in the MR-2 and Celica (and the current Elise) and produces more torque at lower revs so it's more suitable for the heavier and larger tC body, but it's not too heavy and large like the V6 would have been which would have made the car a lovely understeering mess even if the power would have been improved. And of course, financially it provides great economies of scale as they produce it in great numbers anyway.
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In the end, I don't totally fault their decision, but I still feel like there could have been another route. My Celica suffers from the same problem as the tC, being a bit too heavy, and consequently requiring the Camry power. There isn't anything exactly wrong with it, but having a 6,000 RPM ceiling with a power curve that for the most part stays downstairs... Its somewhat counterproductive given the implied nature of the car.

Mitsubishi has otherwise struggled with the same problem for more than a decade. The Eclipse is now so massive it requires a V6 to get things done. Although, I still wish they'd jam the Lancer Ralliart bits and pieces in there and make a proper sports coupe again.
 
Mistubishi's afraid that the car'll step on the Ralliart/Evo's toes, then, I think. I believe the only reason they still OFFER the car is to keep Diamond Star in Normal running.
 

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