Tesla Master Plan: Part Deux

[CodeRedR51]

 

[EngieDiesel]

We're going to sell ten million self-driving cars by the end of this year!

I mean we're going to sell ten million electric semis by the end of thi...

I mean we're going to sell ten million Cybertrucks by the end of...

I mean we're going to sell ten million self-driving taxis by the...

I mean we're going to sell ten million autonomous robots by...

...we're going to open ten million Tesla drive-in diners by the end of this year!

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Musk is the richest person on earth not because he sells a lot of products (in the grand scheme of things, he doesn't) but because he sells stories and enough people think that enough people buy the story to justify giving him money, because stonks go up.

People aren't buying the Tesla cars stonks up forever narrative anymore and so him, being basically Gob Bluth, has illusioned some other alternate reality to get people to throw money at him again. Sadly, it will probably work.

 

[VXR]

I'm by no means his biggest fan, but in looking to replace my Abarth as a daily driver, in the EV space, it's really hard to find a car better suited to my needs and offering as much value for a similar price.

Between an Ioniq 5 and a M3 LR, it's very hard to choose the better looking Hyundai when in real world tests, it's no more efficient but considerably slower accelerating.

 

[eran0004]

I'm by no means his biggest fan, but in looking to replace my Abarth as a daily driver, in the EV space, it's really hard to find a car better suited to my needs and offering as much value for a similar price.

Between an Ioniq 5 and a M3 LR, it's very hard to choose the better looking Hyundai when in real world tests, it's no more efficient but considerably slower accelerating.

I'd pick the better looking car. The Ioniq is still accelerating pretty quickly, even if it's not as quick as the M3, so the difference between them in that regard is marginal.

And then there's all the negative value that comes with the Tesla brand and its ownership.

 

[Famine]

Between an Ioniq 5 and a M3 LR, it's very hard to choose the better looking Hyundai when in real world tests, it's no more efficient but considerably slower accelerating.

I find that I'm looking at my car more often than I'm doing any kind of 0-anything acceleration. In any case, if you're accelerating hard in an EV when you care about efficiency, you're doing it wrong; you cannot have both

I wouldn't necessarily have either though. I drive a Kia e-Niro for my side gig, and I can get 4mi/kWh without trying; I've had it up to 4.4 with the driving style reading 99/1/0 - for 81 miles and it wouldn't tick to 100/0/0! By comparison I did an economy recce for Genesis in the long-range GV60 - the Ioniq 5's sibling - and it was a real effort to get 3.7mi/kWh from it (the 5N I managed to just get over 3... and I wasn't coddling it initially but then did the maths) but I only needed 3.0 to accomplish the route and was just showboating. I got another 75 miles home without a top-up.

Take a look at the Polestar 2 LR. It's a little pricier (as new) but quicker and more efficient than the current HMG cars (EV6 is surely due an updated model soon). The big bosses might be in China, but Polestar/Volvo are their own group within that structure - and Ingenlath and Samuelsson are nice enough.


By the way, the website in your profile seems to have been taken over by an Indonesian gambling site.

 

[VXR]

I find that I'm looking at my car more often than I'm doing any kind of 0-anything acceleration. In any case, if you're accelerating hard in an EV when you care about efficiency, you're doing it wrong; you cannot have both

I wouldn't necessarily have either though. I drive a Kia e-Niro for my side gig, and I can get 4mi/kWh without trying; I've had it up to 4.4 with the driving style reading 99/1/0 - for 81 miles and it wouldn't tick to 100/0/0! By comparison I did an economy recce for Genesis in the long-range GV60 - the Ioniq 5's sibling - and it was a real effort to get 3.7mi/kWh from it (the 5N I managed to just get over 3... and I wasn't coddling it initially but then did the maths) but I only needed 3.0 to accomplish the route and was just showboating. I got another 75 miles home without a top-up.

Take a look at the Polestar 2 LR. It's a little pricier (as new) but quicker and more efficient than the current HMG cars (EV6 is surely due an updated model soon). The big bosses might be in China, but Polestar/Volvo are their own group within that structure - and Ingenlath and Samuelsson are nice enough.


By the way, the website in your profile seems to have been taken over by an Indonesian gambling site.

Oh, how lovely. I don't even remember having a website on here, so thanks for the heads up.

I'm making a used purchase, so it's not as broad a choice of efficient rivals at similar money. Watched a video of a guy doing a sub-zero 70mph run on some of the M5 I use for my commute and at 60% range in -1° cold, he'd done 80 miles with the car indicating 201 miles left, whilst achieving 3m/KWh. He did the same test in the Ioniq on a summer's evening at 19° and it was something like 3.2m/kwh so the extra wow and gadgets and performance potential if I want to throw charge away, seemed better value.

 

[EngieDiesel]

So I remembered this...

No fooling: Tesla Roadster launch delayed again until April 1

Originally set for late 2025, Tesla’s Roadster now has an April 1 date, Elon Musk told shareholders.

www.howtogeek.com

And...

Elon Musk pours cold water on April 1 Tesla Roadster unveiling — but says it'll 'probably' happen later that month

Elon Musk is once again pushing back the target date for the Roadster launch. The Tesla CEO now says it'll "probably" happen in late April.

www.businessinsider.com

Not that anyone was expecting different, but just wanted to make sure it was properly documented on Ye Olde Scrolls here.

 

[McLaren]

This thing is automotive vaporware like the Keating & the Devil. Been nearly 10 years of "development" & I don't recall a spy shot or prototype being seen since the original prototype from 2017. Imagine depositing $50,000 on this thing 9 years ago & reading checks Wiki production dates of mid-late 2021, 2023, 2024, 2025, now 2027 being proclaimed. Just the promise of a production version's reveal has been late 2024, late 2025, & now April 2026.

I continue to be baffled at how folks funnel any money to Elon when he has a cemented history of failing to deliver on timelines he personally shared himself, on projects from Mars to this car. The only thing he seems to have actually quickly delivered on was his mobile dumpster that he reportedly, oversaw & wanted engineered to his vision which resulted in mockery & poor design choices. I guess one can add his semi as well, but I've heard a number of complaints from truck drivers about that truck's engineering choices as well beyond the fact it's electric.

 

[VXR]

All they needed to do really was lop the rear doors off the 3, give it some Model S power levels and they were golden.

 

[Keef]

So I remembered this...

No fooling: Tesla Roadster launch delayed again until April 1

Originally set for late 2025, Tesla’s Roadster now has an April 1 date, Elon Musk told shareholders.

www.howtogeek.com

And...

Elon Musk pours cold water on April 1 Tesla Roadster unveiling — but says it'll 'probably' happen later that month

Elon Musk is once again pushing back the target date for the Roadster launch. The Tesla CEO now says it'll "probably" happen in late April.

www.businessinsider.com

Not that anyone was expecting different, but just wanted to make sure it was properly documented on Ye Olde Scrolls here.

Companies that actually specialize in making good quality cars rather than just software have caught up, they run the gamut of industrial suppliers, Tesla over-extended itself with other projects and are having trouble delivering on any of them, and most importantly the CEO has absolutely destroyed his own reputation and that of the company by becoming a grotesque symbol of the fall of the American Empire.

At one point I thought Tesla was on track to revolutionize American mobility, and some moves have certainly been made, but now I think the company will begin a long slide due to lack of public relations. Oddly enough I think the one thing that could really improve the brand's image is making the Semi work and selling a lot of them. Once people realize that semi trucks/trash trucks/busses don't have to be incredibly loud and terrifying they'll become more supportive again.

 

[EngieDiesel]

Companies that actually specialize in making good quality cars rather than just software have caught up, they run the gamut of industrial suppliers, Tesla over-extended itself with other projects and are having trouble delivering on any of them, and most importantly the CEO has absolutely destroyed his own reputation and that of the company by becoming a grotesque symbol of the fall of the American Empire.

At one point I thought Tesla was on track to revolutionize American mobility, and some moves have certainly been made, but now I think the company will begin a long slide due to lack of public relations. Oddly enough I think the one thing that could really improve the brand's image is making the Semi work and selling a lot of them. Once people realize that semi trucks/trash trucks/busses don't have to be incredibly loud and terrifying they'll become more supportive again.

I've been of the position lately that utility vehicles and public transportation are the ideal use case for EVs as they stand right now. They have a fixed range, predetermined routes and are garaged nightly so the charging infrastructure only needs to be in specific areas instead of scattered all over.

Only problem is, buses and trash trucks aren't sexy enough to capture investors' imaginations and wallets. Not like the concept of a self-driving sports car that has Netflix and Playstation built into it, so you never have to take your eyes off a screen and potentially catch sight of poor people existing out in the real world.

 

[Keef]

I've been of the position lately that utility vehicles and public transportation are the ideal use case for EVs as they stand right now. They have a fixed range, predetermined routes and are garaged nightly so the charging infrastructure only needs to be in specific areas instead of scattered all over.

Only problem is, buses and trash trucks aren't sexy enough to capture investors' imaginations and wallets. Not like the concept of a self-driving sports car that has Netflix and Playstation built into it, so you never have to take your eyes off a screen and potentially catch sight of poor people existing out in the real world.

Investors are a problem but I think the bigger problem is government support. We're currently suffering from a Federal government very hostile to EV anything, and grants to cities or districts are virtually required due to EV fleet vehicles being so expensive. My city of Dayton has several Ford Lightning fleet vehicles that they seem to use for construction inspection and some other city services. They literally never need to leave Dayton city limits except for Ford dealership service. School districts simply can't afford EV busses although that's a perfect use case. Nobody knows what has happened to the Oshkosh EV mail truck but it was probably cancelled out of spite.

 

[eran0004]

I've been of the position lately that utility vehicles and public transportation are the ideal use case for EVs as they stand right now. They have a fixed range, predetermined routes and are garaged nightly so the charging infrastructure only needs to be in specific areas instead of scattered all over.

Only problem is, buses and trash trucks aren't sexy enough to capture investors' imaginations and wallets. Not like the concept of a self-driving sports car that has Netflix and Playstation built into it, so you never have to take your eyes off a screen and potentially catch sight of poor people existing out in the real world.

My town has had battery electric buses for more than 15 years now. They are charged at the bus stops at the end of the lines while the driver is having a break.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

SF has been using electric trolley buses for 90 years now. There are trade-offs, but generally they work great. The newest ones have batteries that allow them to exit the overhead catenary coverage zones for a few miles. It suits a well integrated city like SF well and I think battery powered buses could do really well in more sprawling cities.