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Originally posted by 12sec. Civic
I have heard alot about this war now. I think the USA is screwing up big time. But its not like it will be the first time.


Iraq just wants to have their own weapons to protect themselves. Chemical weapons are something that does a lot of harm but doesnt cost alot of money. I could see why Iraq would only be able to carry these kinds of weapons.

USA wants to bomb Iraq because it makes them nervous that someone other than them can wipe out the world.

So, is the USA bombing Iraq on the preminition that they have weapons? The USA has gone mad. One day people will look back and shake their heads at all of the bull**** the USA ****ed up for no everybody else. This doesnt mean much to most Americans, because to them, they ARE everybody.


What a joke of a country. How can they be the most powerful?! I guess thats the way the cards played themselves out.

If you are in the USA, and believe with all of your heart that USA should be attacking Iraq. Remember that you should hold back some of your convictions as they stand. How can you honestly believe everything your government says to you when they know you cant really hear the other side of the story.


If it wasn't for Tony Blair, the UK wouldnt be in on this. Considering most of their leaders dont support war, other than Tony Blair.


I heard a Canadian governmental figure on TV saying that no-one respects someone with out an opinion. He was reffering to the US not respecting Canada anymore if we dont take action with them against Iraq. This seemed really stupid to me, because, does the USA really respect ANYBODY?
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That's your opinion that U.S. is screwing up. Not ours. The U.S. has made a few mistakes in the past(can't think of any off hand) but we make them united and admit when we do and are willing to face the consequences together.

Iraq isn't the ones that want those weapons it's Sadaam. Do you even pay attention what's going on?

We aren't nervous about Iraq persay but we are about Sadaam and his hatred towards U.S. and his ability to send terrorist against the U.S.

The U.S. hasn't gone mad. It just looks that way to the uninformed. I seriously doubt anyone will look back and shake their heads except possibly you. If you believe that Americans think that we"ARE everybody" then you really are clueless about us.

We are a joke of a country? Look around.

That's not just the way the cards played out. That's the way we designed it from the beginning of this country. We are a free nation built on Democracy and determination. If you can't do something well and be the best then don't do it at all.

Tony Blair seems to be an Honorable man. He took a stand and didn't back down under preasure. Remember that the U.N. passed a resolution 12 years ago? He was one of the few who were true to their word they gave 12 years ago. Their is no honor in the nations that have backed out of their promise as far as I am concerned. They stand for nothing.

Yes we respect others .(as long as they deserve it.) As a Canadian do you? Do you stand for anything aay?(other than hating the U.S.?)
 
Originally posted by Pako
Don't we (USA) also have weapons of mass distruction? It's interesting isn't it?
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Do you really not know the difference? And I find it hard to believe you haven't thought about that yet.

Can you imagine if we didn't have them? Saddam could've taken us over by now. They're a deterrent to the US, a toy to Hussein; we don't actually use them.

But if Saddam does... I just hope it he doesn't. I don't want to see 500 kT turn Iraq into a sheet of glass.
 
Originally posted by DGB454
That's your opinion that U.S. is screwing up. Not ours. The U.S. has made a few mistakes in the past(can't think of any off hand) but we make them united and admit when we do and are willing to face the consequences together.

Iraq isn't the ones that want those weapons it's Sadaam. Do you even pay attention what's going on?

We aren't nervous about Iraq persay but we are about Sadaam and his hatred towards U.S. and his ability to send terrorist against the U.S.

The U.S. hasn't gone mad. It just looks that way to the uninformed. I seriously doubt anyone will look back and shake their heads except possibly you. If you believe that Americans think that we"ARE everybody" then you really are clueless about us.

We are a joke of a country? Look around.

That's not just the way the cards played out. That's the way we designed it from the beginning of this country. We are a free nation built on Democracy and determination. If you can't do something well and be the best then don't do it at all.

Tony Blair seems to be an Honorable man. He took a stand and didn't back down under preasure. Remember that the U.N. passed a resolution 12 years ago? He was one of the few who were true to their word they gave 12 years ago. Their is no honor in the nations that have backed out of their promise as far as I am concerned. They stand for nothing.

Yes we respect others .(as long as they deserve it.) As a Canadian do you? Do you stand for anything aay?(other than hating the U.S.?)
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I love it,...

thats the second time now DGB ;) :D 👍
 
Originally posted by milefile
Do you really not know the difference? And I find it hard to believe you haven't thought about that yet.

Can you imagine if we didn't have them? Saddam could've taken us over by now. They're a deterrent to the US, a toy to Hussein; we don't actually use them.

But if Saddam does... I just hope it he doesn't. I don't want to see 500 kT turn Iraq into a sheet of glass.
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So your saying that we can use our WOMD responsibly? I'm not saying that the US isn't doing what they need to do in the current situation, but I am leading towards the fact that I just don't like war. Remember the Arm's race? That's exactly what I'm talking about, how we as a civillization have come to who's got bigger muscles. I realize there's a lot to it, I realize there's a lot going on that we are not privilaged in knowing about, but the fact of the matter is that lives are going to be lost.
 
Originally posted by Pako
So your saying that we can use our WOMD responsibly?
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I'm saying we would only use them as a deterent ("Mess with us and you're dead." It's not America's fault this is necessary.), or as retaliation.

the fact of the matter is that lives are going to be lost.
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Lives are lost every day with or without war. I believe the action being taken will reduce the number of lives lost over the longer term.

This is not addressed to you, Pako, but it seems that people are unable to think beyond suppertime. What would have happened in five years if Saddam had been left alone?

Saddam Hussein is a crazed psychopath who rose to power through violence, maintains power through violence, and has aspirations of being the savior of the Arab world, which means taking it over though violence. Iraq's Kuwait was analogous to Germany's Poland. Only now the world knows better and won't allow it.

If we were to just walk away from him now he'd begin his plans to take over all the middle-east, eradicate the Jews, and from there bully the rest of the world around. That is what he sees as his destiny.

Maybe it's just to difficult for people to comprehend such a twisted, evil man. I'm glad the people who's decisions matter can.
 
I totally agree, there's already been lives lost under the direction and "protection" of Saddam. A few hundred or even thousands of lives lost is a small price to pay when your talking about the potential of losing millions of lives. It's just unfortunate that even one life has to be lost. I guess it does help with population control though.
 
Well, we can't stop the war, now lets make sure it doesn't last long.

And if anybody with a plane in the Gloucestershire area of the UK has a plane, contact me.
 
One months time. The end of the world.

But I don't care. I've been through so much **** in my life its a wonder I havent kicked it yet.

By the way, I just wanted to quote from a poem:

"Philip was in the countinghouse
Counting out his money
The Queen was in the parlour
Eating bread and honey
When through the window
Flew a bomb
And made them go all funny"
 
I've heard a few things suggesting it could be over fairly quickly. One can only hope. But what I heard was that the missle attacks and bomb raids last night may have been very succesful. Saddam could be dead or injured, and the Iraqi leadership may be eating itself alive. The rationalle was that the "shock and awe" promised by the initial attack never materialized, and the coalition forces seemed to have toned down a bit.

If I was a big shot in Saddam's government ane was taken out with a bunch of other big shots, I'd seriously re-evaluate if "martyrdom" was a good idea. They are going to lose; they can make it easy or hard.

Besides, a lot of people think their boss is an idiot, maybe even Saddam's cronies.
 
Originally posted by PunkRock
Somehow, WWIII is just around the corner... 👎
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I do believe that there will be no WWIII during our lifetime. Every country on the face of the planet knows that if another world war breaks out that the world will come to an end due to nuclear attacks and nuclear winter. I would hope that any nation thinking about starting another full scale world war would be smart enough to know that if any nuclear powers get involved that the Earth will not last much longer after the outbreak of the war.
 
I dont stand behind my country. I am happy that the rulers of the peice of land I am on have decided not to draw any violence towards this land.


If you want to know what I think. Listen to "Imagine" by John Lennon.


So, no matter how much you think you are right (I am addressing americans). Remember that an EXTREMELY large majority of the population of the world DISAGREE's with what you are doing.


It really doesn't matter what I say. You'll obviously do what you want. For that matter, it obviously doesn't matter what 80% of the world says. Including the UN and most of your closest allies.


How can you find an identity based on what region of the world you were born in. Maybe it only seems absurd to everyone but americans.
 
Originally posted by 12sec. Civic


It really doesn't matter what I say. You'll obviously do what you want. For that matter, it obviously doesn't matter what 80% of the world says. Including the UN and most of your closest allies.


How can you find an identity based on what region of the world you were born in. Maybe it only seems absurd to everyone but americans.
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We OFFICIALLY have 30 countries backing us,... in '91 we had 31.
 
Originally posted by 12sec. Civic
So, no matter how much you think you are right (I am addressing americans). Remember that an EXTREMELY large majority of the population of the world DISAGREE's with what you are doing.
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Last I checked the entire US population wasn't over in Iraq. Why would we care if the rest of the weak world disagrees with us anyway? We could just blow them away.
 
Originally posted by 12sec. Civic
I dont stand behind my country. I am happy that the rulers of the peice of land I am on have decided not to draw any violence towards this land.


If you want to know what I think. Listen to "Imagine" by John Lennon.


So, no matter how much you think you are right (I am addressing americans). Remember that an EXTREMELY large majority of the population of the world DISAGREE's with what you are doing.


It really doesn't matter what I say. You'll obviously do what you want. For that matter, it obviously doesn't matter what 80% of the world says. Including the UN and most of your closest allies.


How can you find an identity based on what region of the world you were born in. Maybe it only seems absurd to everyone but americans.
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I'm afraid that most of your generalizations are somewhat offensive. What "we" as americans have done is elected an official into our democratic system to make desicions on behalf of our nation. The decisions that were made, as approved by the UN was to remove a terrorist threat in Iraq. This threat is a world concern and not limited to the united states.

Perhaps the United Nations should be at blame in your eyes for setting the deadline, or better yet, perhaps the blame should be directed to Suddam for not meeting the deadline set forth by the United Nations Councel.

So it the threat removed yet?
 
Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
We OFFICIALLY have 30 countries backing us,... in '91 we had 31.
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There's 40 countries against Iraq now... ;)
 
Originally posted by Klostrophobic
Last I checked the entire US population wasn't over in Iraq. Why would we care if the rest of the weak world disagrees with us anyway? We could just blow them away.
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I hope thats humurous because I find it patriotic and downright arrogant.

Apologies if I offend you.
 
Once again, a thread about thngs bigger than us has turned into a war of words between the touchie-feelies (John Lennon? Yeah, right. It's a SONG) and the bad-ass wannabees.

The coalition of 35+ countries will win, the weapons of mass destruction will be uncovered, and France and Russia and China will be wiping egg off their faces for a long time.

12 sec., what you are saying is just uninformed wishful thinking. You should take some time and learn about what is going on and what is at stake. You can't evaluate the world based on "why can't we all just get along?" unless you're Rodney King. Nobody wants to kill anyone. Life is riddled with necessary evils. This bed-of-roses expectation of life has never existed anywhere, at any time.
 
I beleive Saddam has to go. Who knows what he will do in 10 years if he was left alone. just think about all the stuff he has done in the past. Think about it.
 
Milefile: If everybody saw the world through my eyes and my attitude, the world would be a better place for everybody.

Now quite simply, I'm fine with death. I've seen it so much a bullet penetrating my intestines does not scare me. I basically feel world government are acting like children, with real and devastating weapons.

Plain and simple. The world has been messed up for a long time, nobody has been bothered to sort it, so what does it matter if we all die?

One day, I'll survive, go to Iraq and write in the dust "I told you so morons."

Put in complete laymans terms: Your all idiots and should wallow in the mess you've made.

Now I'm gonna get a lot of flak and I realise that, this is just my opinion. Remember what we said about respect and such? ;)
 
oh and to the people who think the world will end soon asnd WWIII is just around the corner, i doubt it alot.

MY only concern is when we will have do something about North Korea, Me and alot of people believe that they are a big threat, not just 2 the us but to alot of other countires. N. Korea will have to be delt with A.S.A.P.!! But they will put up 1 hell of a fight i believe if we attack them.
 
Originally posted by Rossell
Milefile: If everybody saw the world through my eyes and my attitude, the world would be a better place for everybody.

Now quite simply, I'm fine with death. I've seen it so much a bullet penetrating my intestines does not scare me. I basically feel world government are acting like children, with real and devastating weapons.

Plain and simple. The world has been messed up for a long time, nobody has been bothered to sort it, so what does it matter if we all die?

One day, I'll survive, go to Iraq and write in the dust "I told you so morons."

Put in complete laymans terms: Your all idiots and should wallow in the mess you've made.

Now I'm gonna get a lot of flak and I realise that, this is just my opinion. Remember what we said about respect and such? ;)
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ok but i do not think i want a bullet in my intestines. and how do u see the world through your eyes?? tell me im interested
 
Originally posted by Rossell
Milefile: If everybody saw the world through my eyes and my attitude, the world would be a better place for everybody.
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To quote the Comic Book Guy: "There is no emoticon to express what I'm feeling right now."

In other words, bla bla I know that's right then why are you sitting on a video game forum and not out there raising funds for your election campaign?

P.S. I used to think that, too. Now you only have to convince a few billion other people. Start with your family and freinds. When, after five years, you've still failed to make any progress, you'll see it's not so simple.

You know, I bet Saddam thinks that, too.
 
Conspiracies and name calling aside, the simple truth is that Bush could not sell the world's peoples on the need for a strong and militaristic focus on Iraq, and the world could not convince the American people to trust in the alternative they preached. The world, too often condescending in the manner it addresses Americans and their leadership, which is part of its problem, tried to get the U.S. to take what it probably believes is a more logically pragmatic approach. And it does not seem that Iraq was of any significant concern as far as being a threat goes. It is possible that the cautious approach is the more sensible, and even the more logical. But people the world over decided that assuring Americans of their strong will to improve containment and keep it strong was less important than throwing out supposed facts and acting annoyed at the Americans inability to grasp their uber logic was largely sufficient. The is a fear in America that we will have to fix matters too large to handle. And perhaps selfishly the opposition to sanctions puts doubt in the American mind. All countries should have reasonable control of how it is run, but from poor military spending that puts the burden on a few, to insults, to a waning sympathy, ceasing when an annoyance over 9/11/01 coverage became to frequent for the liking of some, it is not much of a wonder as to why the world's opinion does not have the weight it should. And the alternatives often entail large expense on the part of the US, with idealistic promises and no vows of compensation for persuasion toward a policy should it fail.
 

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