The Aveo Dies, the Sonic Lives

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i think I have to remind you people...

American roads are not all 50 feet wide and straight as an arrow!!!

will you guys PLEASE stop assuming america is one giant INTERSTATE!!

now that that's done...

complain all you like about the tacky grey or black interiors. the late 70's/early 80's US interiors were even tackier; color-matched to the crushed velvet upholstery. even leather interiors had the dash and wheel plastics color-matched! no matter who does it or what color it is, an american designed interior will always look tacky. you can't get away from it, here.

Prower: ever notice non americans haven't heard that we rarely change anything when it comes to platforms?

Actually, it is. The only places that small, compact cars make sense is in big cities like New York. And in those cities it's easier to get around in a cab or by public transport.
 
There's some twisty roads out here. I'd get out of the city or the suburbs and off the "urban connector" when doing so, there's some nice stuff out in the country. Not to mention in mountain ranges like the Appalachians, Ozarks, Black Hills, and Rockies...Heck, a few of the roads that traverse the Illinois River Valley...

Besides, who doesn't like fuel economy? Eh?
 
Haha I the Aveo is so boring I had no idea it came out in '03 I thought it was like 05-06ish.

Since this thing will look nothing like these renderings, I imagine the new one will only suffer the same fate.

And when is the Polo supposed to be over here?

Frizbe, these are not renderings. This is an actual rolling production prototype based on the new Gamma II architecture. The Aveo RS takes quite a few liberties, certainly, but given the pressure by the Fit, Soul, and more importantly Fiesta, Chevrolet decided it needed a ringer in the sub-compact class. So... This will be the Aveo come the end of the year, probably. I'd expect to see a production version debut in the late summer or early fall this year, and it will probably go on sale either at the very end of the year, or very early next year.


As for the Polo, VW isn't talking. We aren't getting exactly the same version they have in Europe, and it may not even carry the Polo name. Apparently we're due to get a sedan and some kind of larger (how, I don't know) hatchback. All likely to come without their awesome TDI offerings.
 
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Omnis: you must be out west, or never been outside OF the suburbs, out with the farms where there's more cows than people :P
 
Wow that actually looks halfway cool.

I'm guessing a lot of the look will be lost without the go-fast goodies though. I think it needs to lose the Transformers style dash, but the interior styling is probably pretty well set in stone...

I'll be interested to see how it'll look with regular headlights and steelies.

Also, I'll take a Polo, please. Unless VW manages to ruin it.
 
I'm guessing a lot of the look will be lost without the go-fast goodies though. I think it needs to lose the Transformers style dash, but the interior styling is probably pretty well set in stone...

I'll be interested to see how it'll look with regular headlights and steelies.

Also, I'll take a Polo, please. Unless VW manages to ruin it.

Without the sci-fi crap then it's just a little car from the Koreans, and who wants that? I'm curious what it looks like in person to be honest.
 
I really don't like that they are keeping the Aveo name, whenever I hear I think of this.
2007YellowAveo5.jpg

:yuck:

It does look good though.(The new one, not that yellow pos)
 
I'm curious what it looks like in person to be honest.

Same. All of which is making me want to go to Detroit this year to see it. But, I think I may end up having to wait until February in Chicago.
 
When I chuck a Fiesta around a tight corner I get annoyed with the stupidly light steering, then I park it somewhere and get out and am bitterly reminded of the hideous front end. Embarrassed by it I jump back in to hide my face, and am confronted with over complicated and fiddly interior controls, and general interior shapes that make me feel the car thinks I should be compensating for something. I look up, straight out the windscreen, I still have the bright blue dash in my peripherals, great (not). I fire it up again, and drive off, oh noes! It's a 1.4L auto with such little ability to move I'm not sure if I AM moving. I trade it for a manual, a little better, but not enough to fix the rest of the car. I continue driving, I get a flat tyre, oh great that's right, these don't even have a space saver, you can't evem option one, it's tube of guber or nothing. I now need to call work and tell them I'll be late because my flat tyre has limited kms and I need to get it replaced ASAP. I get back in, hot and bothered now, but the A/C isn't very strong, and it's an Australian Summer, so I drive it off to get the flat replaced, hot, bothered, embarrassed, annoyed, disappointed and.........running out of fuel now because the fuel tank is tiny and the car needs plenty throttle to accelerate to safe merging speeds etc.

Anyways, that's how I feel about the Fiesta, and yes, I have driven them enough to have formed a strong opinion about them in this way. Can't say I've driven a Barina, but I DO know that neither are sports cars, neither have hot versions, if you're driving either of them fast enough for understeer, you bought the wrong car.

Get a Focus, a trillion times better.

Fun is subjective. If you can even believe it, I can and have had fun in a Rio and a Picanto, understeering from one end of the road to the other, but with a big silly grin on my face.

But I've never had fun in a Chevwoo. Ever. Every time I drive one (and, mind you, I'll admit the interiors are a cut above the average Korean... or were when they were relatively new... which they never were... anyway... what was I saying?), I feel the soul sucked out of me.

Driving a small Chevwoo car is like driving a CR-V. Competent, stable and incredibly, indelibly, inedibly boring. Not just Toyota boring (Toyota doesn't know what an anti-roll bar is, so at least you get that much excitement when you push it hard), but boring boring. Even the Spark isn't nearly as fun as the Maruti Alto... which is ten times older and twenty times more likely to kill you to death if you hit a cardboard box.

I'd rather have teeth pulled than drive anything made by GMDAT. The Captiva has convinced me that I can bear riding in one, but I still won't get in the driver's seat.
 
It's trying to hard to be flashy with the big grill, big wheels, & the racey dash. Wouldn't mind seeing it in person, & finding the details are small. But it just has this large presence to me.
 
Same. All of which is making me want to go to Detroit this year to see it. But, I think I may end up having to wait until February in Chicago.

I got industry day passes so I'll be sure and post up pictures. I'll be going next Thursday barring I'm not in some horrific accident.
 
If it looks like that one, awesome! But we all know it's gonna start with 14 inch steelies and hupcaps, with possibly unpainted bumpers and a cloth interior with bland seats and many cost saving measures...

But I approve the RS 👍
 
The problem is that when you add all of those options on to make this Aveo look like the RS, its probably somewhere around $18-20,000. Seems to be the problem with all of these small cars. If you want one with several options you wind up paying as much as a nearly-equally optioned mid-size car. Apparently a new automatic Fit Sport w/navigation ends up around $20k. That's stepping on the toes of a Civic EX or Civic Si at around $22,000.
 
The problem is that when you add all of those options on to make this Aveo look like the RS, its probably somewhere around $18-20,000. Seems to be the problem with all of these small cars. If you want one with several options you wind up paying as much as a nearly-equally optioned mid-size car. Apparently a new automatic Fit Sport w/navigation ends up around $20k. That's stepping on the toes of a Civic EX or Civic Si at around $22,000.

Or a Mazda Speed 3.

That is the problem with just about every car. I guess the choices become would you want the best of one car or another car with no options.
 
The problem is that when you add all of those options on to make this Aveo look like the RS, its probably somewhere around $18-20,000.

Word. Considering that the Aveo is going to be going toe-to-toe with the Fiesta, its probably going to start really quite cheap, but with any reasonable option attached, the prices will skyrocket. I seem to recall that even modestly equipped Fiestas are just over $17K, which is crazy.

What'd be nice is just having Chevrolet offer an Aveo with alloy wheels and a halfway decent stereo system for less than $16K.
 
Small cars, big price tags. A lot of companies seen that BMW could sell MINI's at an absurdly overpriced price so they think they can jump in on the action too. However judging by MINI's sales, that boom is falling off a bit.
 
Well, its still pretty outrageous that MINI charges a $20K entry price on all the Coopers. I swear on my Great Grandmother's grave that if they ever decided to sell the One here, they'd sell a billion of them. Cut at least $2000 off the base MSRP, and the people will jump all over it.
 
The problem is that when you add all of those options on to make this Aveo look like the RS, its probably somewhere around $18-20,000. Seems to be the problem with all of these small cars. If you want one with several options you wind up paying as much as a nearly-equally optioned mid-size car. Apparently a new automatic Fit Sport w/navigation ends up around $20k. That's stepping on the toes of a Civic EX or Civic Si at around $22,000.

It's the same for us. Cheapest 1.6 Fiesta with alloys is £16,000 here, with a similarly specced 1.6 Focus starting at just over £17k.
 
Thing is though, I would think that you could purchase aftermarket wheels and stereo systems for cheaper than the stuff that comes from the factory.
 
I assume its still Daewoo.

Here, the only non-Daewoo "Chevrolet" I can think of is... wait, nevermind...
 
I assume its still Daewoo.

Here, the only non-Daewoo "Chevrolet" I can think of is... wait, nevermind...

Corvette
Malibu
Impala
All their trucks
Volt
Cruze is only a small percentage Daewoo, mostly global
And if Hyundai can make a sports car, what's stopping Daewoo making a good econobox with a little investment?
 
Corvette
Malibu
Impala
All their trucks
Volt
Cruze is only a small percentage Daewoo, mostly global
And if Hyundai can make a sports car, what's stopping Daewoo making a good econobox with a little investment?

I think he is talking about where he lives.
 
I don't know where Mogotá is.:(

He lives in Columbia. I don't think they sell the Corvette there and none of their pickup trucks are sold their either. They might sell they Malibu and the Impala there but if they do I don't know what they call it.
 
TVC
He lives in Columbia. I don't think they sell the Corvette there and none of their pickup trucks are sold their either. They might sell they Malibu and the Impala there but if they do I don't know what they call it.

Per the Colombian Chevy site they get more then just Daewoos. I see a Tahoe, HHR, and a Chevy version of the Saturn Vue.

http://www.chevrolet.com.co/default.html

For some reason they get the LUV truck which was the name carried by the worst truck in the world that pre-dated the S-10.
 
TVC
He lives in Columbia. I don't think they sell the Corvette there and none of their pickup trucks are sold their either. They might sell they Malibu and the Impala there but if they do I don't know what they call it.

I don't know where Columbia is exactly, but I live in Colombia :sly:

Oh yeah, the HHR and Tahoe... The Vitara is Suzuki and isn't the Luv also suzuki?
 
The LUV is a rebadged Isuzu D-Max, which is based on the global small truck platform which underpins the Colorado.
 
I see.

Well, it's still not cool to see so many Daewoos here. I got my B14 Sentra. That is a good car.

I hope this Aveo doesn't sell here. This country doesn't need another crappy car.
 
I feel like I can tip this car over much like cow tipping. Of course I'd need some help to accomplish such thing.
 
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