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HKS racer
Why on earth Ferrari president should agree with PU freezing next year? When trying to catch MB?

Because a huge money investment is needed, money that Agnelli/Elkann's owners are not happy to spend therefore Marchionne is trying to keep Ferrari on second place agreeing with the MB much desired PU freezing, basically not allowing Renault and Honda to catch up.

Seems like the actual owners are more interested in profits from stock exchanges than investing money on racing. They think Ferrari can still valuable on the market even if it's not winning, because it's "Ferrari".
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And you think the best way for Ferrari to achieve this is to sign one of the drivers Toto Wolff manages ... even though Wolff might want sign that driver himself in the near future?
 
prisonermonkeys
And you think the best way for Ferrari to achieve this is to sign one of the drivers Toto Wolff manages ... even though Wolff might want sign that driver himself in the near future?
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In my opinion it's one of those things that keeps Toto happy. For now Mercedes is busy with Lewis and Nico for at least two years I think. Maybe in the future after winning 3 championships MB will allow Ferrari to catch up on purpose, letting them win one year. I wouldn't be impressed if that's happen.
 
Willingly letting another team dominate the championship and then gratefully accepting a championship win when that other team deigns to allow it at some point in the future? All because they are terrified that another manufacturer will build a better engine and threaten their position? And this is the more likely scenario than Ferrari rating Valtteri Bottas higher than they do Nico Hulkenberg, a driver whom they have had at least three opportunities to sign in the recent past and have chosen not to on each occasion?

I don't think you know Ferrari or Formula 1 politics nearly as well as you think you do.
 
prisonermonkeys
Willingly letting another team dominate the championship and then gratefully accepting a championship win when that other team deigns to allow it at some point in the future? All because they are terrified that another manufacturer will build a better engine and threaten their position? And this is the more likely scenario than Ferrari rating Valtteri Bottas higher than they do Nico Hulkenberg, a driver whom they have had at least three opportunities to sign in the recent past and have chosen not to on each occasion?

I don't think you know Ferrari or Formula 1 politics nearly as well as you think you do.
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Which Ferrari? The one you know for 23 years? I'm afraid that Ferrari is gone.
Marchionne is completely different than Montezemolo. He is not terrified that another manufacturer will build a better engine and threaten their position, he know his employers just don't want to invest lots of money in racing. They don't have the same passion as Enzo or LCDM. They prefer other business. You are free to believe the Ferrari is still the same as it's used to be. I don't pretend anyone to agree with me. You are also free to believe Bottas to be a great driver.
 
HKS racer
Marchionne is completely different than Montezemolo. He is not terrified that another manufacturer will build a better engine and threaten their position, he know his employers just don't want to invest lots of money in racing. They don't have the same passion as Enzo or LCDM. They prefer other business.
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Source?
 
HKS racer
Do you know who Marchionne is and how he work?
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Yes, but you said

HKS racer
Marchionne is completely different than Montezemolo. He is not terrified that another manufacturer will build a better engine and threaten their position, he know his employers just don't want to invest lots of money in racing. They don't have the same passion as Enzo or LCDM. They prefer other business.
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and it's up to you to source those facts.
 
TenEightyOne
and it's up to you to source those facts.
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It's up to you to understand this is my personal opinion based on Marchionne curriculum. As prisonermonkeys you are too free to believe the Ferrari "is still the same" and nothing has changed.
 
Posting an opinion is one thing, and it usually comes with the words "I believe" or "I think", but stating your opinion like it is a fact is different entirely. Facts need sources. Your delusional opinion is not a source.
 
GTPorsche
Posting an opinion is one thing, and it usually comes with the words "I believe" or "I think"
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Myabe you are blind or something. As I said:
You are free to believe the Ferrari is still the same as it's used to be. I don't pretend anyone to agree with me.
I think this is more than enough to let you know it is actually an opinion.
GTPorsche
, but stating your opinion like it is a fact is different entirely. Facts need sources. Your delusional opinion is not a source.
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You are the one making things up.
TenEightyOne
Lovely, you do have a source. Source, please...
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Stop being lazy, do your own research on google about Sergio Marchionne.
 
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HKS racer
Stop being lazy, do your own research on google about Sergio Marchionne.
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Nope, you claimed that Marchionne has a curriculum... what's your source? That's how it works, by the way ;)

Interestingly;

Sr. Marchionne
It is absolutely clear that all Ferrari’s uniqueness, exclusivity and technical prowess must be preserved. So you’re not going to hear any significant deviation from the strategy that Luca put together.
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TenEightyOne
Nope, you claimed that Marchionne has a curriculum... what's your source? That's how it works, by the way ;)
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LOL everyone has a curriculum. And no this discussion is going nowhere.

I'm not going to waste my time post links about who SM is. In the case you understand italian this is a commedian making fun of him. I'm going to post this videos, just to make things less drammatic in here. :)



 
HKS racer
LOL everyone has a curriculum. And no this discussion is going nowhere.

I'm not going to waste my time post links about who SM is. In the case you understand italian this is a commedian making fun of him. I'm going to post this videos, just to make things less drammatic in here. :)
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So apart from the REAL Marchionne quote I provided you actually had no "curriculum" of his to quote from? Riiiight...
 
TenEightyOne
So apart from the REAL Marchionne quote I provided you actually had no "curriculum" of his to quote from? Riiiight...
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In the remote case we are going to discuss the matter, and you are not trolling (I'm not really sure) have you ever asked why they removed LCDM from his position? 6 years not winning a championship? Do you really believe that was the main reason?
 
HKS racer
In the remote case we are going to discuss the matter, and you are not trolling (I'm not really sure) have you ever asked why they removed LCDM from his position? 6 years not winning a championship? Do you really believe that was the main reason?
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Do you know that LDM wasn't the F1 Principal? Hard to tell.

Anyway, answer the question please;

HKS racer
It's up to you to understand this is my personal opinion based on Marchionne curriculum.
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You're still failing to source this curriculum and, in my opinion, flim-flamming while you do it.
 
TenEightyOne
Do you know that LDM wasn't the F1 Principal? Hard to tell.

Anyway, answer the question please;



You're still failing to source this curriculum and, in my opinion, flim-flamming while you do it.
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Failing to source this curriculum. :lol:
You are funny. But the game is over.
 
TenEightyOne
To be clear; when you said you based your opinion on Marchionne's curriculum you actually had no idea what it was?
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It's you that have no idea and keep not wanting to inform yourself in the matter.
If you want me to post stuff and links you better pay me, I'm not doing all this hassle for free. Not for you that's for sure. :)
 
prisonermonkeys
Jolyon Palmer reckons he's in for a shot at a seat:

http://m.skysports.com/article/formula1//9906677
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While it's conceivable that Lotus may opt for another pay-driver rather than paying Grosjean (notwithstanding that I have no idea about the length of of RG's contract) would they choose Jenny-Lynn over some of the other available pay-drivers?

Admittedly she's keeping her mouth more in check than she used to...
 
TenEightyOne
While it's conceivable that Lotus may opt for another pay-driver rather than paying Grosjean (notwithstanding that I have no idea about the length of of RG's contract) would they choose Jenny-Lynn over some of the other available pay-drivers?

Admittedly she's keeping her mouth more in check than she used to...
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Or Renault may buy them - in which case JoLyon might have to go elsewhere.
 
mustafur
What?

Its a link to an article.
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All I get is a picture of a mobile phone with a blank screen that says "preview your site". EDIT: Not just me, according to @Northstar... needs fixing @mustafur ;)

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Back on-topic; Jelly-Ann Palmer says it's in with a chance in 2016. No surprises there then.
 
HKS racer
You are also free to believe Bottas to be a great driver.
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Bottas and also Ricciardo are by far the most talented "new guys" to enter F1 in recent years. Ricciardo has shown his potential last year in an underpowered RBR, and Bottas was fairly consistent in last years season, and is only held back by this years Williams. Give Nottas a seat in a Mercedes and he'll show that he could probably keep up with Hamilton and/or Rosberg, methinks. It's just a matter of time that both Bottas and Ricciardo will score at least one championship in their career.
 
GTPorsche
That would be a downgrade for Lotus as Julie-Ann won't match Grosjean as a replacement.
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I'm not completely sure, Grosjean was soundly beaten by Kimi and Kimi has been poor compared to Alonso and Vettel, how much worse can Jocelyn be?
 
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