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mustafur
Well if Redbull don't go down then probably Vandoorne or Kmag, otherwise Ricciardo easily.

Options are low at this point, but a highly skilled rookie would be the best bet.
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Not sure where you came up with this, most likely option seems to be Vergne. The only rookie I see close to their radar is Ocon.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Not sure where you came up with this, most likely option seems to be Vergne. The only rookie I see close to their radar is Ocon.
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Magnussen is plausible. McLaren are grooming Vandoorne, and Magnussen doesn't want another season on the sidelines. He was talking to Haas at one point there, so a move to Renault is plausible.

It's academic, really. The bigger concern is in Mateschitz pulling the plug on Red Bull and Toro Rosso.
 
catamount39
I'd hope that Magnussen chooses Haas F1, but it'd probably be more likely he choose Renault.
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I suspect he'll miss out entirely - Haas will probably take Grosjean and Gutuerrez, and Renault Vergne. His only hope really rests with Manor, and I have heard every name from Wehrlein to Haryanto mentioned there. He would need sponsorship to secure the seat, and McLaren struggled to land a sponsor out of Denmark.
 
prisonermonkeys
How do you think Renault are going to get Ricciardo out of Red Bull? And how do you think they'll get Vandoorne from McLaren?
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Because if you saw what I wrote it said if Redbull leaves(unlikely but i did say this).

And What makes you think Vandoorne must be in a Mclaren if he is in F1?

They could put him in a another car for a year or what not.
 
prisonermonkeys
Magnussen is plausible. McLaren are grooming Vandoorne, and Magnussen doesn't want another season on the sidelines. He was talking to Haas at one point there, so a move to Renault is plausible.

It's academic, really. The bigger concern is in Mateschitz pulling the plug on Red Bull and Toro Rosso.
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I already basically think K-Mag is with Haas at this point and any new Lotus driver was waiting on Renault to actually commit before joining a ship that would have sunk before 2016 testing even started.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
I already basically think K-Mag is with Haas at this point and any new Lotus driver was waiting on Renault to actually commit before joining a ship that would have sunk before 2016 testing even started.
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So, what are you thinking - Magnussen and Gutierrez at Haas and Grosjean and Maldonado at Renault? Or Magnussen and Grosjean at Haas and Maldonado paired with someone else (Vergne? Ocon?) at Renault?
 
prisonermonkeys
So, what are you thinking - Magnussen and Gutierrez at Haas and Grosjean and Maldonado at Renault? Or Magnussen and Grosjean at Haas and Maldonado paired with someone else (Vergne? Ocon?) at Renault?
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No, I think Grojsean and Magnussen, why are you pushing Gutierrez because of the Ferrari deal? I mean I guess but I don't recall anybody saying he (Haas) had to have a development driver, it was just theory based on how Manor was used in the past with Bianchi and Ferrari. I'd say Vergne and Maldonado at Renault, because just like the Ferrari theory, everyone seems to have a theory that a French driver is going to be paired with him cause Renault wants a national driver.

mustafur
Im not sure if they are playing games or they are confirming Grosjean is leaving.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121066

Also it seems that Palmer looks like he could be in with a shot of that seat.
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They'd be pretty stupid to take a guy as pompous as him when a younger guy seems to have more talent and has test prior (Ocon). Since FI will have no use for him (Ocon) next year. Then again I don't know how viable he is due to the changes in the super license requirements. Since I've yet to put them to memory. So he could already not be in it at all due to that.
 
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Gutierrez seems to be a favorite for the team if you listen to everyone's rumors. Either everyone is wrong, or he's a shoe-in.
 
GTPorsche
Gutierrez seems to be a favorite for the team if you listen to everyone's rumors. Either everyone is wrong, or he's a shoe-in.
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I said that...I'm also saying I don't get why he's the favorite other than the Ferrari unison. Compared to K-Mag what does he bring? Even if it was between him and Vergne, what does Gutierrez bring that would help a new budding team do what they need to do to gain success? Success being a finish with decent points from both drivers, gain enough CVC money and sponsors after a good but serious first season and try to go further in '17.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
No, I think Grojsean and Magnussen, why are you pushing Gutierrez because of the Ferrari deal? I mean I guess but I don't recall anybody saying he had to have a development driver
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Gene Haas has gone on the record saying one of his drivers will be a Ferrari development driver. I suppose that it's subject to change, though. And Grosjean was touted as a potential Ferrari driver before Ferrari confirmed Raikkonen, so I suppose it's plausible that Ferrari orchestrated the move for Grosjean to go to Haas since he was under contract with Lotus, and he's probably a better prospect than Vergne or Gutierrez. But a Grosjean-Gutierrez lineup seems most likely.
 
prisonermonkeys
Gene Haas has gone on the record saying one of his drivers will be a Ferrari development driver. I suppose that it's subject to change, though. And Grosjean was touted as a potential Ferrari driver before Ferrari confirmed Raikkonen, so I suppose it's plausible that Ferrari orchestrated the move for Grosjean to go to Haas since he was under contract with Lotus, and he's probably a better prospect than Vergne or Gutierrez. But a Grosjean-Gutierrez lineup seems most likely.
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Yeah I'm not disputing it sound most likely, I do believe the most likely outcome is K-Mag not having a seat at all and that's a bit too bad but how the business goes. I will say that Gutierrez is lucky to still be in this business though.
 
I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and keep him on a short leash. For one, the Sauber he was driving was a $30 million piece of ballast. And secondly, Ferrari have turned underwhelming drivers around before he was called up to replace Rubens Barrichello, Felipe Massa was all over the place. Ferrari really hammered his impetuous streak out of him, and while Gutierrez won't have the benefit of unlimited testing, Ferrari know how to break a driver down and rebuild him to be much stronger.
 
GTPorsche
I think a Grosjean-JEV pairing would be better than Grosjean-Gutierrez.
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Exactly my point.

prisonermonkeys
I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and keep him on a short leash. For one, the Sauber he was driving was a $30 million piece of ballast. And secondly, Ferrari have turned underwhelming drivers around before he was called up to replace Rubens Barrichello, Felipe Massa was all over the place. Ferrari really hammered his impetuous streak out of him, and while Gutierrez won't have the benefit of unlimited testing, Ferrari know how to break a driver down and rebuild him to be much stronger.
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Which one? The one that Hulkenberg beat him in or the one that he barely matched Sutil in? I agree, but Ferrari also had duds just as well. But we will have to see if he gets the chance to prove which of us right or wrong, and then go from there.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Which one? The one that Hulkenberg beat him in or the one that he barely matched Sutil in? I agree, but Ferrari also had duds just as well. But we will have to see if he gets the chance to prove which of us right or wrong, and then go from there.
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That's why I like my theory of Ferrari pulling the strings to get Grosjean. They're clearly positioning Haas to be their new B-team and cutting Sauber loose. I know that I would take Grosjean and Magnussen, but it seems to be an open secret that Gutierrez will be thrown back into the fray.
 
prisonermonkeys
That's why I like my theory of Ferrari pulling the strings to get Grosjean. They're clearly positioning Haas to be their new B-team and cutting Sauber loose. I know that I would take Grosjean and Magnussen, but it seems to be an open secret that Gutierrez will be thrown back into the fray.
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Well at least we agree on what a good driver is compared to a so-so driver. I mean at the end of the day I think perhaps some the reason Gutierrez will sit better is the influence and money Haas could get just south of the border, due to a Mexican driver. It's a theory but at least Gutierrez is a proven (to a degree) driver in F1 than Rossi, and the Mexican money that comes to F1 seems much larger than the American money.
 
I still think Vergne is the best Wet weather driver in F1 though.

That was the only time in STR when he would make Ricciardo look second rate.

Palmer on the otherhand would have the Superlicense points easily with the 50 he got from winning the 2014 GP2 season.

Also isn't Ocon a Mercedes Development driver?

How is it okay for him to get a Renault seat and not Vandoorne even though Honda and Mclaren are seperate entity's.
 
I would like to see K-Mag in the Renault, he was definitely good last year and he has time to lead a works project with Crashtor as donor for Renault...
 
Oddly enough, I keep hearing that Haas is only announcing one driver today - and that it will be Grosjean. If that's the case, I wonder why it's taking so long to get the second driver lined up if it's going to be a Ferrari development driver ...
 
Then I doubt they'd go for Vergne. He's got close ties to Renault, and having two Frenchmen in a team touted as the first serious American effort in decades hardly seems wise. Nationality doesn't matter, but two from the same country seems a bridge too far. I'd say it's just going to be Grosjean for now, with the possibility of a surprise announcement of Magnussen.
 
If RBR is really on the verge of quitting, then it would make sens if Haas only announced one driver. I mean Riccardo, Kyvat, Sainz and Verstappen would be on the side line. That's a lot of talent that I'm sure Haas wouldnt mind taking, at least for Riccardo. Not sure how Sainz/Verstappen/Kyvat would do on a car developpement program.
 
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