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Probably because they know that he may well have cost them their jobs.

Not saying that what Sauber have done is necessarily in any way right (I don't really have enough information on the matter to judge), but I feel sorry for all the regular employees at the team.
 
Giedo van der Garde, surrounded by all of his supporters:

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Also hearing talk that despite the likes of Button and Perez supporting van der Garde in his court case, the consensus in the paddock is that nobody liked him when he was driving for Caterham.

Meanwhile, van der Garde's lawyer is lobbying to have Monisha Kaltenborn imprisoned on contempt of court charges.
 
It gets messier - yesterday, van der Garde's lawyer told the court that van der Garde had a valid racing licence. Today, he's telling the court that Sauber have not submitted the appropriate paperwork to the FIA to get a valid licence for van der Garde.
 
prisonermonkeys
Giedo van der Garde, surrounded by all of his supporters:

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Also hearing talk that despite the likes of Button and Perez supporting van der Garde in his court case, the consensus in the paddock is that nobody liked him when he was driving for Caterham.

Meanwhile, van der Garde's lawyer is lobbying to have Monisha Kaltenborn imprisoned on contempt of court charges.
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Probably doesn't mean anything, but he is wearing Macus Ericssons' Overalls in that shot.
 
AnfLaw
Probably doesn't mean anything, but he is wearing Macus Ericssons' Overalls in that shot.
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Well, talk of the town is that Marcus is the one shafted out of his car. And his racing suit now too.
 
prisonermonkeys
Also hearing talk that despite the likes of Button and Perez supporting van der Garde in his court case, the consensus in the paddock is that nobody liked him when he was driving for Caterham.
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I doubt anybody likes him, but I also think all the drivers will be at least somewhat supporting him on the basis that they don't want to be treated by their team as VDG has been.

They don't have to like the guy to want drivers contracts to be respected.
 
Driver contracts have to be respected, because when you do things like this it can really damage a drivers chance of getting a drive elsewhere as they are not spending time looking for drives when they could of if they knew the situation.

It's very hard to get a Race seat anywhere if your out of action for a year, as Racing is a very form based Sport.
 
BRRT_Angel
It appears Sauber will be able to contest the GP with Ericsson and Nasr? Making sure I got that clear.
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Looks that way, the legal chess moves have stopped for now leaving VdG on the back foot.

There are two relevant facts pointed out earlier in the thread; the team can change their drivers up to the start of Quali but it also appears that the drivers must have driven in Free Practice. My own interpretation of the rules-in-total is that VdG cannot present in quali without presenting in FP... which he won't.
 
TenEightyOne
Looks that way, the legal chess moves have stopped for now leaving VdG on the back foot.

There are two relevant facts pointed out earlier in the thread; the team can change their drivers up to the start of Quali but it also appears that the drivers must have driven in Free Practice. My own interpretation of the rules-in-total is that VdG cannot present in quali without presenting in FP... which he won't.
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So, this means that he wasted more of Sauber's money to still be outside at the end of it. I would have to wonder if any of the other nations would support Australia's findings. Malaysia might, as could Bahrain, but China and Spain on could rule and handle it completely differently. This is undoubtably what he needed the least...ehh but who do I care. I'm just watching for Lotus and Manor.
 
Kravitz (Babbling fool, Sky) is suggesting that Sauber may run neither Nasr nor Ericsson in this session in order to avoid "contempt" claims.

He goes on to say that he understands that VdG paid 8 million-Euro at the time the contract was signed.
 
TenEightyOne
Kravitz (Babbling fool, Sky) is suggesting that Sauber may run neither Nasr nor Ericsson in this session in order to avoid "contempt" claims.

He goes on to say that he understands that VdG paid 8 million-Euro at the time the contract was signed.
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Are we able to agree that VDG actually signed a contract, or is that still a question? This is where I wish that politics weren't so complicated.
By the way, a summons has been presented to the Justice for Kaltenborn to be jailed for contempt of court according to Adam Cooper on Twitter.
 
BRRT_Angel
Are we able to agree that VDG actually signed a contract, or is that still a question? This is where I wish that politics weren't so complicated.
By the way, a summons has been presented to the Justice for Kaltenborn to be jailed for contempt of court according to Adam Cooper on Twitter.
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To summarise, a contract seems to have been signed with each of three drivers, VdG, Nasr and Ericsson. It's being said that VdG paid a significant sum of money at the time. It's certainly complicated, Sauber clearly have no will to run VdG and seem to be trying everything to avoid doing so - the suggestion is that they'll be bankrupt if they do so.
 
TenEightyOne
To summarise, a contract seems to have been signed with each of three drivers, VdG, Nasr and Ericsson. It's being said that VdG paid a significant sum of money at the time. It's certainly complicated, Sauber clearly have no will to run VdG and seem to be trying everything to avoid doing so - the suggestion is that they'll be bankrupt if they do so.
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This leaves two possibilities, neither of which seem good. Alternate VDG with Ericsson, or rent out Manor's seat once Merhi's out.
 
You should really read back through the last few pages here but it seems to be agreed that the Australian decision has no jurisdiction/weight elsewhere. It would take a decision from the FIA to be binding in all territories, really Sauber just need to ride out the weekend here and then the whole issue may well reset.
 
TenEightyOne
You should really read back through the last few pages here but it seems to be agreed that the Australian decision has no jurisdiction/weight elsewhere. It would take a decision from the FIA to be binding in all territories, really Sauber just need to ride out the weekend here and then the whole issue may well reset.
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I have been reading, but I also am weary of the notion that the Australia decision, which is still in play as we speak, could weigh in for Malaysia, where he could get a drive or Sauber belly flop over. It's a longer shot, but it could play out there too if he's desperate enough, which everyone agrees he is too.
 
It can't, the Australian court have no jurisdiction in Malaysia. The only time it might is if the nature of the Australian decision is described as part of any case in Malaysia.
 
TenEightyOne
It can't, the Australian court have no jurisdiction in Malaysia. The only time it might is if the nature of the Australian decision is described as part of any case in Malaysia.
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I'm speaking in precedent of influence, not outright power.
 
BRRT_Angel
I have been reading, but I also am weary of the notion that the Australia decision, which is still in play as we speak, could weigh in for Malaysia, where he could get a drive or Sauber belly flop over. It's a longer shot, but it could play out there too if he's desperate enough, which everyone agrees he is too.
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Oh of course. A lot of law is about looking at previous cases.

The issue is state sovereignty. The court in Australia has no power elsewhere. The laws are different and other courts may rule another way.
 
haitch40
Oh of course. A lot of law is about looking at previous cases.

The issue is state sovereignty. The court in Australia has no power elsewhere.
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Oh I agree with that. Sauber is betting on it, but there isn't a guarantee anywhere that they'll escape it. Now that VDG is carrying a moulded seat, that just leaves the license issue.
 
Not exactly, that would depend on other countries not recognizing Australian Laws, But since basically every country on the Calender does(Asian Countrys might be doubtful though)Saubers equipment could be extradited to Australia if it doesn't comply.

Also keep in mind he already won a Case in Switzerland where the team is based.
 
mustafur
Not exactly, that would depend on other countries not recognizing Australian Laws, But since basically every country on the Calender does(Asian Countrys might be doubtful though)Saubers equipment could be extradited to Australia if it doesn't comply.

Also keep in mind he already won a Case in Switzerland where the team is based.
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This is more of a case of "How Long Until Sauber Exits F1" than anything. They've made a massive misstep and now they are paying for it legally and financially.
 
mustafur
Not exactly, that would depend on other countries not recognizing Australian Laws, But since basically every country on the Calender does...
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I'm not sure you're correct in that.

In other news, Sky reported earlier that VdG is effectively persona non grata in the paddock and has been given a spare office in Race Control in which to rest. Nasr and Ericsson are out of the cars and it looks certain that Sauber won't run in this session (if they run in any FP this weekend).
 
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