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Hulkenberg hasn't been good enough to earn a seat in a top team. Will Buxton on twitter was saying that Ferrari didn't go after Bottas because he wasn't significantly outperforming Massa.
 
The problem is their options for what they can take are low and very risky.

Autosport thinks they are looking at a possible longterm deal with Verstappen if he keeps development or someone like Ricciardo(When his contract is up).

Right now there only option looks to be Bottas who would be like hiring another Massa atleast from their view.

Atleast with Kimi they can just wait it out as he will be willing to do 1 year contracts(Allthough i think someone like Hulkenburg or Perez would probably do a 1 year contract to prove themselves and be better then Kimi in the process).

Heck a 1 year swongsong Contract with Button would probably be better at this point.
 
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prisonermonkeys
Did Ferrari learn nothing from Felipe Massa? He was underperforming for years, and Ferrari kept taking him. Now they're doing the exact same thing with Raikkonen. They've already killed off any chance of winning the 2016 constructors' title.
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What part of Vettel is the contender and the teammate is there as backup don't you get? This is how Ferrari operate.

Maybe their other "options" wouldn't sign up to that.
 
Tired Tyres
What part of Vettel is the contender and the teammate is there as backup don't you get? This is how Ferrari operate.
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The part where the backup contributes significant points to aid Ferrari in the fight for the constructors' championship. Especially when the favourite to win has two drivers capable of winning the drivers' title in the own right. Or am I missing the part where the backup having half the points of the lead driver after half a season is a good thing?
 
By definition, the "favourite" team having TWO drivers fighting for the Championship, in the best car, means everything you have just posted is totally irrelevant. Ferrari having two drivers fighting it out will not assist either in combating that. Only a better car can do that, and that, historically, is built around the driver they deem to be their number one.
 
Tired Tyres
By definition, the "favourite" team having TWO drivers fighting for the Championship, in the best car, means everything you have just posted is totally irrelevant.
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Ferrari made a significant gain over the winter break. Who's to say that they can't develop further? And when they can fight for the championship, why are they then going to throw that away with an under-performing driver in the twilight of his career?
 
The token system would imply significant gains are not all that likely. Besides Mercedes seem to have a lot of performance to spare at the moment, given Hamilton's "please sir can I use some more horse power please, I can pass the Red Bull in the next lap. Honest" request in Hungary - and if you think they can make gains with the chassis alone, I'd invite you to ask McLaren how well that goes.

You just don't like Raikkonen. Whether that is because you think someone else would be better doesn't matter.

Again. Who is to say why their negotiations with other drivers fell down?
 
Haas want a driver decision in September. The Indycar Series finishes on August 30th. Winning the Indycar championship gives you enough points to get a super license.
I reckon whoever wins the title will get one of the Haas seats.
 
Tired Tyres
You just don't like Raikkonen. Whether that is because you think someone else would be better doesn't matter.
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So that's it, is it? "If you think Ferrari made the wrong choice, it's because you don't like Raikkonen"? The same Raikkonen who has been out-qualified by Alonso and Vettel? The same Raikkonen who scored just 35% of Alonso's total points in 2014, and who has less than half of Vettel's points this year? The same Raikkonen who has made critical, sloppy errors on the first lap like at Silverstone last year and Austria this year?

Liking or not liking Raikkonen doesn't come into it. Ever since he joined Ferrari, he has consistently failed - and by no small margin - on every single performance measure.

Jimlaad43
I reckon whoever wins the title will get one of the Haas seats.
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Right now, it's looking like Montoya or Rahal will win. Montoya wants nothing to do with Formula 1, and Rahal isn't great - he's only in the title fight because Montoya stumbled. And while there's a few more in with a shot, like Power, they need other drivers' results to go their way to stand a realistic chance.
 
prisonermonkeys
So that's it, is it? "If you think Ferrari made the wrong choice, it's because you don't like Raikkonen"? The same Raikkonen who has been out-qualified by Alonso and Vettel? The same Raikkonen who scored just 35% of Alonso's total points in 2014, and who has less than half of Vettel's points this year? The same Raikkonen who has made critical, sloppy errors on the first lap like at Silverstone last year and Austria this year?

Liking or not liking Raikkonen doesn't come into it. Ever since he joined Ferrari, he has consistently failed - and by no small margin - on every single performance measure.[/QUOTE
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You really like missing out the important bit of the post don't you?

Who is to say why their negotiations with other drivers fell down?

Jimlaad43
Haas want a driver decision in September. The Indycar Series finishes on August 30th. Winning the Indycar championship gives you enough points to get a super license.
I reckon whoever wins the title will get one of the Haas seats.
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According to Radio Le Mans last night, running an American driver won't get them any real exposure in the US.

 
Tired Tyres
Who is to say why their negotiations with other drivers fell down?
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So ... "whatever decision Ferrari made is the right decision and shouldn't be questioned" even though they have a documented history of making bad decisions like this since Ferrari are so conservative that it's better to keep doing something badly than to take a chance on doing something better which might fail.
 
I wouldn't put it past Vettel politicking so that he doesn't have a competitive teammate but it's so Ferrari to balls things up like this.
 
prisonermonkeys
So ... "whatever decision Ferrari made is the right decision and shouldn't be questioned" even though they have a documented history of making bad decisions like this since Ferrari are so conservative that it's better to keep doing something badly than to take a chance on doing something better which might fail.
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Who are you to question Ferrari? Are you in charge of the team? What ever decision Ferrari makes is a Ferrari decision to make. End Of.

Liquid
I wouldn't put it past Vettel politicking so that he doesn't have a competitive teammate but it's so Ferrari to balls things up like this.
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Plausible.
 
Tired Tyres
Who are you to question Ferrari? Are you in charge of the team? What ever decision Ferrari makes is a Ferrari decision to make. End Of.
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Really?

Okay, let's never discuss things that happen in the motorsport world in a motorsport subforum and see how well the conversation flows.
 
Tired Tyres
Who are you to question Ferrari? Are you in charge of the team? What ever decision Ferrari makes is a Ferrari decision to make. End Of.
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I can't criticise Ferrari's decisions, but you're free to criticise other teams?

Sorry, but it's pretty obvious that you're a member of the Raikkonen fan club, given that you have consistently and willingly overlooked evidence that would have killed the career of any other driver.
 
prisonermonkeys
I can't criticise Ferrari's decisions, but you're free to criticise other teams?

Sorry, but it's pretty obvious that you're a member of the Raikkonen fan club, given that you have consistently and willingly overlooked evidence that would have killed the career of any other driver.
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Checks posting history. Nope. I'm not. Unlike you, if he actually did something good, I'd say so. You wouldn't. You are the definition of a broken record with two drivers in F1 threads.
 
Tired Tyres
Unlike you, if he actually did something good, I'd say so. You wouldn't.
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Actually, I would.

And yet, I haven't. I wonder why that might be - because I don't like Raikkonen, or because he hasn't done anything good. Like I said: out-qualified by Alonso, out-qualified by Vettel, less than 35% of Alonso's points, and less than half of Vettel's points.
 
Liquid
How do the Dutch media rate him or see him? Are the hopes of a nation resting on his not-even-old-enough-to-buy-alcohol shoulders?
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Nope. They love to see him succeed but for now it's just a young driver in F1.

We are sober people.

Doe maar normaal, dan doe je al gek genoeg.
 
That reminds me, I wonder if @Dennisch remembers if there was any hype surrounding Robert Doornbos and Giedo "Sauber's rightful 2nd driver" van der Garde.
 
Dennisch
Slightly excited after Jos left maybe, but Albers, Doornbos and vdG never were rated at the level of the Verstappens.
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Van der Garde used to use the media to promote himself as a potential signing. Every driver wants to retain a media profile, but he did it far more than anyone else. Every time a name like Verstappen came up, hot on the heels of the story would be another one about van der Garde's future. Most of them had clearly come from his people, but publications like GP Update ran with it regardless. I have never seen a driver without a seat get so much coverage about his future - not even the likes of Lewis Hamilton before he joined McLaren.
 
Van der Garde and co turned the whole saga into a soap story. There never was true excitement for him in F1.

With Max at STR it is a bit more, because he can actually drive the car into the points. We will have to wait and see what happens if he goes to a front spots team. I suspect some excitement, and when he actually wins races then and only then people will start losing their minds.
 
GTPorsche
Hulkenberg hasn't been good enough to earn a seat in a top team. Will Buxton on twitter was saying that Ferrari didn't go after Bottas because he wasn't significantly outperforming Massa.
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I really don't see how he's been any worse than the hailed Bottas to be honest. And in worse machinery. The FI cars are very inconsistent and though they're probably the best of the mid pack teams (aside from Williams returning to top form), it still doesn't change the fact. It probably also did him no favors to switch over to Sauber.
 
Jimlaad43
Haas want a driver decision in September. The Indycar Series finishes on August 30th. Winning the Indycar championship gives you enough points to get a super license.
I reckon whoever wins the title will get one of the Haas seats.
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Only Rahal has a chance, Montoya and Dixon are too old to be considered.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
I really don't see how he's been any worse than the hailed Bottas to be honest. And in worse machinery. The FI cars are very inconsistent and though they're probably the best of the mid pack teams (aside from Williams returning to top form), it still doesn't change the fact. It probably also did him no favors to switch over to Sauber.
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Neither of them have done anything impressive enough to earn a top seat.
 
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