The fail wheel T500rs , not the official wheel after buying.

[G12]

Is this not more of a case you haven't given enough time to adjust to the way the new wheel feels?

Lots of people use this wheel with no major steering issues. Thrustmaster have stated it is upto each developer to configure the wheel options and determine what options/settings are available to the user.

Compared to the DFGT this is a much smoother, faster more accurate wheel, maybe a bit too much plastic at the price point and the rim could of been more durable less scratch resistant or a better material. Still it odd you haven't been able to adjust to liking it.

Are you sure your product is not faulty in some way?

While I still have a DF-GT I don't think I would ever use it over the T500 and I'm sure that is the same for many others.

if you drive race cars then you would know the steering is useless , its not faulty and I know what you mean by smooth and accurate but you cant drive f1 car or race car fast enough and above all you cant drive any kind of car fast enough around very tight circuits like cote d'azur monaco , de madrid or just tight sections of any race track , not just the tight circuits because even high speed tracks have tight section. Steering can be fast enough in high speed ring , special route X and daytona / indy superspeedway but not in any other track. For Oversteer occassions on an F1 car you have to correct it as quickly as you can and with t500 the steering will not be direct enough. An F1 has steering about 3x faster and most race cars are 2x faster. Its not rocket science but the G27 or DFGT have the correct steering. Again t500 is very smooth and accurate , even uses magnetic technology but if you cant drive fast enough then its all loss. The fact that it says the official gt5 wheel and the fact that its 800$ t500rs f1 integral , it costs more than the console itself.

 

[tribolik]

Is this not more of a case you haven't given enough time to adjust to the way the new wheel feels?

Lots of people use this wheel with no major steering issues. Thrustmaster have stated it is upto each developer to configure the wheel options and determine what options/settings are available to the user.

Compared to the DFGT this is a much smoother, faster more accurate wheel, maybe a bit too much plastic at the price point and the rim could of been more durable less scratch resistant or a better material. Still it odd you haven't been able to adjust to liking it.

Are you sure your product is not faulty in some way?

While I still have a DF-GT I don't think I would ever use it over the T500 and I'm sure that is the same for many others.

At least the rim doesnt flex unlike some of the competition rims.

 

[G12]

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying OP? Are you saying that steering is unresponsive with the T500 RS when compared to the DFGT? I've owned a DFP, G27, have used a DFGT and now own a T500 and I feel like it is the best wheel(wheel, not pedals) out of all of them and I don't feel like it has a responsiveness problem. Maybe I'm missing something though? Could this feeling you experience be because of the T500's larger rim than the wheels you mentioned, meaning it feels like you turning it more to get the same degree of turn on the wheel as the smaller rimmed wheels?

Edit: you also don't need to post the same exact thing in two different parts of the forums.

I have the t500rs F1 integral wheel.. Its not the size , its the steering. DFGT and G27's are direct but t500 isnt , I know what everyone means of smooth and accurate but t500 is not direct enough and that means it doesnt steer fast enough to actually go fast in a race.

Sorry to hear your story. I guess you can get some cash if you plan to sell it. I wouldn't buy a Dfgt for its noise.

I still have my old dfgt and it has problems now , I wouldnt buy another 1. If im buying a new wheel then there's only 2 options g27 or csre , dont know how csre works yet.

At least the rim doesnt flex unlike some of the competition rims.

anything can be nice but if the steering cant deliver for racing then all the features are wasted

 

[mcfizzle]

I have the t500rs F1 integral wheel.. Its not the size , its the steering. DFGT and G27's are direct but t500 isnt , I know what everyone means of smooth and accurate but t500 is not direct enough and that means it doesnt steer fast enough to actually go fast in a race.

I also have the Ferrari rim but I rarely have used it with GT, more with F1 2011, so I can't say much about how it feels. I still don't understand what you mean by direct, especially if you say G27 is direct and T500 isn't. To me it feels like every steering input I make with the wheel is correctly done in game. Could it be that GT is always set to 900 degrees steering and when you are using the Ferrari rim that just doesn't feel right with that degree of steering? Do you have the GT style rim at all? How does that feel with GT? And the while T500 is the official wheel of GT, the Ferrari rim isn't, possible meaning it doesn't work as well as it should. The TH8RS isn't fully supported in GT and it is the only shifter attachment for the T500.

Edit: if you are going to buy a different wheel you can't really go wrong with the CSRE or G27, I guess it depends what you want and how much you want to spend. I've never used a Fanatec but I know the CSP are supposed to be awesome. I personally loved NIXIM modded G27 pedals, even more than T500 pedals, and they are cheap. You can pick up the wheel plus the mod for a little more than the cost of CSP alone.

 

[ErikAndre71]

I have the T500RS and I think you have to work for logitech or something. Because I also have used the DFGT and that just feels like a toy.

I have a T500RS with direct response and the DFGT (tried two) are far from direct compared to the T500RS.

I'm not offended by your statement, but I just think your very wrong.

tip:
Download the latest firmware for your wheel!
It's also super sensitive so you can easily increase the control sensitivity to your liking.

I know you can't limit the degrees of the wheel in game, but in a race car I never have to use more than 180left and 180right to go around any tracks in this game. Including the hairpin at Monaco.

 

[G12]

I have the T500RS and I think you have to work for logitech or something. Because I also have used the DFGT and that just feels like a toy.

I have a T500RS with direct response and the DFGT (tried two) are far from direct compared to the T500RS.

I'm not offended by your statement, but I just think your very wrong.

tip:
Download the latest firmware for your wheel!
It's also super sensitive so you can easily increase the control sensitivity to your liking.

I know you can't limit the degrees of the wheel in game, but in a race car I never have to use more than 180left and 180right to go around any tracks in this game. Including the hairpin at Monaco.

so you can drive well that means your not fast enough and that also means your no where near its limit. I get your thoughts about t500rs but its not the steer responsive , your saying its smoothness and accuracy , im talking about steering directness. You cant compare roadcar steering to racecar steering. And ofcourse for
the F1 car , steering has to be quick not just to go through corners on the limit but also when you have oversteer or slide , the steering has to be quick. No chance of driving the f1 car fast enough with the t500rs' indirect steering. In tight corners if you try and corner like a real racing driver , you've had it straight on the wall.

Tip: there's a massive difference between a roadcar with roadcar steering at pedestrian speeds and a race car on its limit speeds with race car steering. Thats why if you use the t500rs around a tight circuit or just a tight corner, then your far too slow and if you get in a slide or oversteer , you cant get out of it. To summarize the t500rs , it has roadcar steering designed for pedestrian driving at pedestrian speeds ofcourse and the g27 is designed to steer like a racing car for racing speeds at race circuits and lets not forget GT5 is not a garage , it only has racing circuits.

 

[JogoAsobi]

if you drive race cars then you would know the steering is useless...

Would you mind providing your fellow forum members the credentials/experience/facts this comment is based on?

 

[G12]

Would you mind providing your fellow forum members the credentials/experience/facts this comment is based on?

Go to youtube or ask a real racing driver.

Its pretty much based in the real world

Or have you ever driven a kart? Because it looks to me youve never driven a kart.


I guess you can ask your roadcar for the facts or your t500.

 

[JogoAsobi]

Go to youtube or ask a real racing driver.

Its pretty much based in the real world

Or have you ever driven a kart? Because it looks to me youve never driven a kart.

I thought so, deflected, and antagonistic baseless comments made about me personally. AUP breach?

 

[G12]

I thought so, deflected, and antagonistic baseless comments made about me personally. AUP breach?

I dont know what you mean by deflected antagonistic aup breach but nothing personal about that , my reply is based off reality. If you cant accept the facts then dont waste time on this thread.

 

[fatkrakr]

You have obviously made your mind up that the T500 isnt for you.So why not just return it and buy a far supierior dfgt wheel. That is what your trying to say right? Then all will be right with the world.

 

[ErikAndre71]

so you can drive well that means your not fast enough and that also means your no where near its limit. I get your thoughts about t500rs but its not the steer responsive , your saying its smoothness and accuracy , im talking about steering directness. You cant compare roadcar steering to racecar steering. And ofcourse for
the F1 car , steering has to be quick not just to go through corners on the limit but also when you have oversteer or slide , the steering has to be quick. No chance of driving the f1 car fast enough with the t500rs' indirect steering. In tight corners if you try and corner like a real racing driver , you've had it straight on the wall.

Tip: there's a massive difference between a roadcar with roadcar steering at pedestrian speeds and a race car on its limit speeds with race car steering. Thats why if you use the t500rs around a tight circuit or just a tight corner, then your far too slow and if you get in a slide or oversteer , you cant get out of it. To summarize the t500rs , it has roadcar steering designed for pedestrian driving at pedestrian speeds ofcourse and the g27 is designed to steer like a racing car for racing speeds at race circuits and lets not forget GT5 is not a garage , it only has racing circuits.

You stated this in your first post:

I have a DFGT and it has direct steering , thats the proper official wheel.

I still stand by my statement. The DFGT is a plastic toy compared. This game have never simulated race cars well, It have nothing to do with the wheels connected to your PS3. If you really feel that wobbling anti direct wheel DFGT is better for you than the T500RS you go and use that. I have them both here and I know what I will continue to use.

Maybe I could go faster with a toy since that make it feel more arcadeish, but I have way more fun behind the T500RS.

 

[G12]

You stated this in your first post:



I still stand by my statement. The DFGT is a plastic toy compared. This game have never simulated race cars well, It have nothing to do with the wheels connected to your PS3. If you really feel that wobbling anti direct wheel DFGT is better for you than the T500RS you go and use that. I have them both here and I know what I will continue to use.

Maybe I could go faster with a toy since that make it feel more arcadeish, but I have way more fun behind the T500RS.

you can say its a toy but the directness of the steering is still racing car directness and this thread is mainly for the t500rs' indirect steering and not for its smoothness or accuracy, Iknow the feel of the wheel is excellent! But because the steering directness of the t500rs is indirect like a roadcar then t500rs is useless for racing.

You have obviously made your mind up that the T500 isnt for you.So why not just return it and buy a far supierior dfgt wheel. That is what your trying to say right? Then all will be right with the world.

it isnt a racing wheel. Ofcourse its not for me. The fact that its not for racing still bothers me because its the "official" GT5 wheel and gt5 is a racing game. For "drifters" there's no use to a t500rs' force feedback which is one of the important features and even if the steering is direct drifting still works. Also the fact that it has an F1 wheel but not the steering is never for racing. Im trying to find out if thrustmaster or gt5 will have plans of updating if its possible for the system to be because its inevitable and if it wasnt inevitable then people would end up having a wheel that is not designed for racing in a racing game.

 

[zedfonsie]

Why would you even spend 700$ to play gt5?

 

[G12]

Why would you even spend 700$ to play gt5?

I like racing. I know there's other kinds but gt5 is one of the best there is

 

[left888]

I think you have to work for logitech or something.

He's actually been outed as a Fanatec employee!

 

[G12]

Im not from fanatec and dont make stories about it.
F1,LMP,GT,karts and even WRC all have direct steering in reality and thats about all racing cars in gt5 and most known in the real world.

 

[ErikAndre71]

you can say its a toy but the directness of the steering is still racing car directness and this thread is mainly for the t500rs' indirect steering and not for its smoothness or accuracy, Iknow the feel of the wheel is excellent! But because the steering directness of the t500rs is indirect like a roadcar then t500rs is useless for racing.

Well in my case its the other way around, the directness of the DFGT is sloppy even on control sensitivity on max. And the T500RS is really direct. And please don't assume I'm talking about a road car, you have no idea what I drove in real life.

it isnt a racing wheel. Ofcourse its not for me. The fact that its not for racing still bothers me because its the "official" GT5 wheel and gt5 is a racing game. For "drifters" there's no use to a t500rs' force feedback which is one of the important features and even if the steering is direct drifting still works. Also the fact that it has an F1 wheel but not the steering is never for racing. Im trying to find out if thrustmaster or gt5 will have plans of updating if its possible for the system to be because its inevitable and if it wasnt inevitable then people would end up having a wheel that is not designed for racing in a racing game.

GT5 is a driving game, not a racing game. If it was I would assume they brought in more race series to it. So far its only NASCAR, SuperGT500 and karts in the premium dealership. Except for one make races with RM/TC cars
The NASCAR is way better in any PC sims and if I really liked to race NASCAR I would't race in GT5

The SuperGT race cars series have to be tweaked to be competitive to each other. Not a great race series if you want to use all cars and everyone want to stay competitive. Of course I race in a league like this and we have tried to make the cars as close to each other so we don't make it a one make championship.

The Karts is a different story, its actually the same as a one make race, but they don't really feel like a kart. Not with the DFGT and not with the T500RS. I would rather bring my friends to a karting track and rent a real kart and race for real.

 

[Caz]

Gt5 is a driving sim. Say so right on the box



Treed^^^^

 

[G12]

Well in my case its the other way around, the directness of the DFGT is sloppy even on control sensitivity on max. And the T500RS is really direct. And please don't assume I'm talking about a road car, you have no idea what I drove in real.

control sensitivity doesnt work for wheels , only controllers. Renting a fast kart is still costly , if you do that for not even a full day , your spending 1 t500rs. Well roadcars have indirect steering and t500rs is not direct like a race car like F1,LMP or even WRC are examples, how direct? Well all are not the same but they are very direct and t500rs is not close to any that , crossing arms is very rare but going in pit garage you can probably see crossing or simply going slow to allow time for crossing arms but thats never a case in racing. I dont mind what you drive in real life because in the road it will always be a roadcar.

Gt5 is a driving sim. Say so right on the box



Treed^^^^

driving race cars , very crucial to have race steering because a race car with roadcar steering is never a race car in performance and above all not race car in feel. Steering is #1 before you look or try anything else.

 

[ErikAndre71]

Again you assume I always stayed on the road, I said you shouldn't assume so much

And control sensitivity works here

I wont go back here anymore, you can have the last word I don't really care, I just stated my mind to your statement and if you really think renting a kart is that costly and you assume so much I will like to assume you never been behind the wheel in a race car. Saying that the DFGT is closer to the real thing than the T500RS also prove to me you have no idea what you talk about..

YES the directness of the real thing (race car) is far better than any wheels we talk about in this game, but you started to compare wheels and I can never agree that the DFGT is closer to the real thing than the T500RS.

 

[tribolik]

Like they said GT5 is not a racing sim but a driving sim (though I have my doubts)
It seems to me that the problem you have is not related to the wheel but the game you choose to play it with.

 

[G12]

Again you assume I always stayed on the road, I said you shouldn't assume so much

And control sensitivity works here

I wont go back here anymore, you can have the last word I don't really care, I just stated my mind to your statement and if you really think renting a kart is that costly and you assume so much I will like to assume you never been behind the wheel in a race car. Saying that the DFGT is closer to the real thing than the T500RS also prove to me you have no idea what you talk about..

YES the directness of the real thing (race car) is far better than any wheels we talk about in this game, but you started to compare wheels and I can never agree that the DFGT is closer to the real thing than the T500RS.

Proves me your not listening again. Thread talking about steering directness not the steering feel. If you think like that for dfgt then look at g27 , they both have same direct steering which is like a race car's direct steering. Control sensitivity doesnt work for wheels only for controllers...

Like they said GT5 is not a racing sim but a driving sim (though I have my doubts)
It seems to me that the problem you have is not related to the wheel but the game you choose to play it with.

driving a race car is driving simulation too you know and gran turismo is never about driving on streets because theres no streets in the game with pedestrians and rules. Logitech g27 and DFGT have direct steering like race car and they are also official wheels for gran turismo. Cant it be thrustmaster too? because I think its both not just gt5.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I like racing. I know there's other kinds but gt5 is one of the best there is

No it's not it's far from it. If it were then racing teams should be using GT5 in their simulators. Instead of simbin and SMS based games.

Im not from fanatec and dont make stories about it.
F1,LMP,GT,karts and even WRC all have direct steering in reality and thats about all racing cars in gt5 and most known in the real world.

Based on a unrealistic physics engine, or one riddled with bugs. I "sure" you're not from one of the opposing companies, even if your OP says and looks otherwise. However, it does seem to add up, you talk bad about a racing wheel from thrustmasters for GT5 on a thread that is mainly centered around GT and sim racing in general but more so the prior. When other users ask you how it worked for other sim racers you quickly say you don't play them and bring back the importance of using it on GT5. Just seems too odd.

Yet I may just be over analyzing it but I don't think so.

Guys he knows there are other games out there but it is much easier to play to the main game of this forum and many peoples emotions. He being a new user just doesn't realize that most of the people on this sub-forum play other sims. That is probably why said user set up the exact same thread on a GT5 sub-forum as well, to play to a bigger audience that may actually listen to him instead of giving him advice.

 

[G12]

No it's not it's far from it. If it were then racing teams should be using GT5 in their simulators. Instead of simbin and SMS based games.

Still has laws of physics so there is simulation. It can be any kind of simulator and reality is still different.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Still has laws of physics so there is simulation. It can be any kind of simulator and reality is still different.

Do you think about what you're going to type before you type it? The fact is it may have a physics engine, but loosely pay attention to it. Also I'm more willing to trust a race driver that does this any given weekend, than some new member with problems occuring from a newly bought thrustmaster and GT5.

Im not from fanatec and dont make stories about it.
F1,LMP,GT,karts and even WRC all have direct steering in reality and thats about all racing cars in gt5 and most known in the real world.

Based on a unrealistic physics engine, or one riddled with bugs. I "sure" you're not from one of the opposing companies, even if your OP says and looks otherwise. However, it does seem to add up, you talk bad about a racing wheel from thrustmasters for GT5 on a thread that is mainly centered around GT and sim racing in general but more so the prior. When other users ask you how it worked for other sim racers you quickly say you don't play them and bring back the importance of using it on GT5. Just seems too odd.

Yet I may just be over analyzing it but I don't think so.

Guys he knows there are other games out there but it is much easier to play to the main game of this forum and many peoples emotions. He being a new user just doesn't realize that most of the people on this sub-forum play other sims. That is probably why said user set up the exact same thread on a GT5 sub-forum as well, to play to a bigger audience that may actually listen to him instead of giving him advice.

Also you still seem to ignore the fact that the most realistic sims used and claimed by are not GT5 and FM4, thus the true potential of the wheel you are using will never be met. Also you've been proven wrong a few times now that the wheel doesn't work on GT5.

 

[Mahnegold]

Correct me if I am wrong:

A forum is a place to discuss different topics, opinions or whatever. To discuss, you must be open for different points of view. When I noticed one single thing in this thread, then that the OP is far away from being open minded.

G12,

you have your opinion and you are repeating it again and again. You don't care about the arguments of the others. Everyone who disagrees with you, is a fool in your eyes. You don't have to agree with the others, don't get me wrong. But you entered this forum with two offensive (and equal) threads and tried to convince everyone who is not willing to follow you.

Everybody here is now more than aware of your opinion. So I would suggest to come up with something new.

My only consequence for dealing with a guy like you is to just ignore you.

 

[G12]

Based on a unrealistic physics engine, or one riddled with bugs. I "sure" you're not from one of the opposing companies, even if your OP says and looks otherwise. However, it does seem to add up, you talk bad about a racing wheel from thrustmasters for GT5 on a thread that is mainly centered around GT and sim racing in general but more so the prior. When other users ask you how it worked for other sim racers you quickly say you don't play them and bring back the importance of using it on GT5. Just seems too odd.

Yet I may just be over analyzing it but I don't think so. advice.

commenting on your edit , unrealistic physics engine?Your just overanalyzing I think so because of what you just said. You can say the same for any other kinds. I agree if you say its too easy because the f1 cars feel very easy but im also talking about online physics not offline which is arcade. Yeah it feels easy and it has become easy for the F10 car , it used to be hard. Its the same for the others in pc. The title also says official wheel which relates to GT5 and not another simulation.

Correct me if I am wrong:

A forum is a place to discuss different topics, opinions or whatever. To discuss, you must be open for different points of view. When I noticed one single thing in this thread, then that the OP is far away from being open minded.

G12,

you have your opinion and you are repeating it again and again. You don't care about the arguments of the others. Everyone who disagrees with you, is a fool in your eyes. You don't have to agree with the others, don't get me wrong. But you entered this forum with two offensive (and equal) threads and tried to convince everyone who is not willing to follow you.

Everybody here is now more than aware of your opinion. So I would suggest to come up with something new.

My only consequence for dealing with a guy like you is to just ignore you.

im only considering replies that are relevant to the thread and relevant to the facts. Irrelevance is not what this thread is for.
Well there's always going to be irrelevance in a forum and your right on people's opinions and I should keep my mouth shut.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

commenting on your edit , unrealistic physics engine?Your just overanalyzing I think so because of what you just said. You can say the same for any other kinds. I agree if you say its too easy because the f1 cars feel very easy but im also talking about online physics not offline which is arcade. Yeah it feels easy and it has become easy for the F10 car , it used to be hard. Its the same for the others in pc. The title also says official wheel which relates to GT5 and not another simulation.

...I'm not overanalyzing the physics engine, I was saying I may be overanalyzing why you're here. Try to follow what I'm saying. iracing has a much better engine than GT5. I too am talking physics in general, I don't see me once splitting hairs, thus I was talking in general, now you seem to be overanalyzing what I said...wow. No it's not the same for PC there isn't any room for error on F1 games by Codemasters for PC nor iracing in the Williams F1. The ferrari's are just too easy to drive.

Also just because it's not official for iracing, rfactor 2, simraceway, forza 4, pcars and others doesn't matter. It works fine on those games and a few of them better than GT5. The point is this tells a bigger story about Gt5's issue and less about the actual wheel. It also shows us that you didn't take the time to set it up, since others have been fine using it. Thus it makes you look like your either lazy, incompitent (not to be mean), or flaming a product to push it onto others.

 

[G12]

I apologize for the approach but thread is mainly for GT5. Its a bizare problem