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Yup. I heard this specific sentence, among others, that just summarizes:

From approximately 0:28 - 0:34.

"Y éso es dinero que ... no sabe poner."

"And that's money that ... doesn't know [how] to put/use."

I can't quite understand exactly (I speak a different variant of Spanish, because my co-workers are Portuguese (married to a Spanish speaker from El Salvador), El Salvadoreño (translate to English?), and Nicaraguan, so my traditional Spanish skills are a bit rusty.

But, the point remains; money is a big problem in Spain now. :(
 
Well, unemployment is at 25% in Spain right now.

Valencia is supposed to return to the calendar in 2014, but organisers in Barcelona have said that they're going to be in it for the long haul and don't want to share the Spanish Grand Prix with another circuit. Since the future of the event is in limbo, it's probably not worth maintaining the circuit until something is sorted out.
 
prisonermonkeys
Well, unemployment is at 25% in Spain right now.

Valencia is supposed to return to the calendar in 2014, but organisers in Barcelona have said that they're going to be in it for the long haul and don't want to share the Spanish Grand Prix with another circuit. Since the future of the event is in limbo, it's probably not worth maintaining the circuit until something is sorted out.
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I thought it was not a permanent facility?


My word, Tilke really is a bad designer. I thought he tried to make that track out of pre-existing roads. :( :yuck: "You know, making due with what you've got."
 
MrMelancholy15
I thought it was not a permanent facility?
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It's a semi-permanent facility.

MrMelancholy15
My word, Tilke really is a bad designer. I thought he tried to make that track out of pre-existing roads. :( :yuck: "You know, making due with what you've got."
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Tilke did try to make it out of pre-exsiting roads. Most of it, anyway. Everything from the start-line to the bridge is built over existing roads. The bridge itself is custom-built, and then everything from the bridge down to the switchbacks is once again built on existing roads. The final sector of the lap - the one with all the good corners - is actually built from scratch.
 
prisonermonkeys
It's a semi-permanent facility.


Tilke did try to make it out of pre-exsiting roads. Most of it, anyway. Everything from the start-line to the bridge is built over existing roads. The bridge itself is custom-built, and then everything from the bridge down to the switchbacks is once again built on existing roads. The final sector of the lap - the one with all the good corners - is actually built from scratch.
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I like the original first section... The one Tilke didn't design.
 
MrMelancholy15
I like the original first section... The one Tilke didn't design.
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Really? You mean the section that is full of chicanes that only serve to have the cars drive past the marina for the benefit of the cameras?

Valencia is one of the msot unpopular circuits on the calendar, simply because of all those chicanes. If the circuit had been designed without them, it probably would have looked like this, and people probably would have been able to get excited about it. But, not, the organisers wanted the cars right up against the harbour so that the circuit would look "better" on television.
 


I disagree. I've always been a fan of chicanes, because they're so much harder than hairpins. Hairpins test cars. Chicanes test drivers, more so.

You know, most drivers will be able to navigate a simple hairpin quickly. But, once you throw a chicane at them, they'll end up pushing too hard, too early, and will actually hurt themselves more than they'll help themselves.

Edit: that "hold the throttle down, and turn the steering wheel" section just looks wrong. It looks like a dull, single-file or race over type section.
 
MrMelancholy15
Yup. I heard this specific sentence, among others, that just summarizes:

From approximately 0:28 - 0:34.

"Y éso es dinero que ... no sabe poner."

"And that's money that ... doesn't know [how] to put/use."

I can't quite understand exactly (I speak a different variant of Spanish, because my co-workers are Portuguese (married to a Spanish speaker from El Salvador), El Salvadoreño (translate to English?), and Nicaraguan, so my traditional Spanish skills are a bit rusty.

But, the point remains; money is a big problem in Spain now. :(
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She said "Y éso es dinero que luego vamos a reponer"

"And that's money we will replace"
 
prisonermonkeys
You may well be the only person in the world who likes chicanes, then.
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From a thread you also just commented on:

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That chicane is so popular, it's been made into a Holden advertising campaign.
 
MrMelancholy15
That chicane is so popular, it's been made into a Holden advertising campaign.
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The chicane is not the point of the advertising campaign.

The Gold Coast circuit is actually one of the most-hated on the V8 Supercars calendar primarily because it is loaded with chicanes. They were, perhaps, necessary when the series ran the full length of the circuit. But ever since it was shortened, there has been no need for them.
 
But, what's a racetrack without a driver's corner?


Hairpins are one thing (boring, easy to navigate,) but chicanes lead to dramatic races. Can so-and-so pass such-and-such before the chicane? Or will they both just bin their cars? Or will one back off a bit, and let the other through?
 
Hairpins can do just that. Just look at the Gold Coast circuit and the way Jacques Villeneuve caused carnage at the hairpin the first year it was run with international drivers ...
 
Chicanes like any type of corner can be entertaining and useful depending on where they're placed in relation to other corners and their design. Some chicanes offer a realistic overtaking opportunity, many don't. Then as I say the other problem is placement, if they follow each other in quick succession they're pretty useless. Valencia suffers from both of these problems, the first two chicanes are too tight and closed in for any hope of sensible overtaking and they also follow each other, thanks to the first one nobody would ever be in a position to pass in the second one, making them both pointless.
 
Can't see Valencia returning from that if I'm honest.

Other then Mark Webbers flying lesson I can't remember a single good point about the races that have been held there. But thats just me.
 
Rossell2
Can't see Valencia returning from that if I'm honest.

Other then Mark Webbers flying lesson I can't remember a single good point about the races that have been held there. But thats just me.
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You evidently didn't see the 2012 race, then.
 
There are a handful of fun chicanes I like. to name a few: The Swimming Pool Complex at Monaco, the Bus Stop at Daytona, and Turn 10a-10b at Road Atlanta (which happens to be where I sit every year at Petite LeMans.)
I didnt used to like chicanes either but now I see them as a good test of a cars balance. It sure is fun to watch how quickly F1 cars change direction in a chicane!
 
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Bernie says that switching the German GP to Hockenheim doesn't seem to be possible but they could hold a European GP there instead and no German GP:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21263377

Formula 1 boss Bernie Ecclestone will consider changing the name of the German Grand Prix in an attempt to end doubts about this year's race.

Financial problems may necessitate the race - scheduled for the Nurburgring on 7 July - being switched to Hockenheim.

But the owners of the Nurburgring are adamant the race cannot be transferred.

"We've said to them we don't have to call it the German Grand Prix this year, we can call it the Grand Prix of Europe," said Ecclestone.

The race is rotated between the two venues on a bi-annual basis, but the AvD (Automobilclub von Deutschland), which owns the Nurburgring, insists the race cannot be held at ADAC-owned Hockenheim.

Ecclestone added: "The Nurburgring is where the race should take place, and the AvD say unless they can do it then it can't take place.

"We're doing our best to get it sorted.

"It's all a bit messy. At the moment the race is on-off, on-off. It's all a little bit political, with different political groups fighting each other."
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Indeed, it all seems rather childish. Like "We can't afford to run the German Grand Prix but if we can't do it nobody else is, wah wah wah".
 

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