The future of Corvette...

[ShobThaBob]

The DI 3.6 isn't a terribly light engine, so I doubt we'd see any weight savings by switching to that over the 6.2, but I doubt it'd be any heavier. Power to weight would still be high enough to not get beat by any other sports cars in that price range except Mustang GT and Camaro SS. Realistically though, I doubt many people would cross shop a 39k dollar V6 Vette with a 33k well optioned Mustang GT, just like they wouldn't cross shop a 33k well optioned Mustang GT with a 45k base 6.2 Corvette.

 

[ShobThaBob]

Why does it need a V6 when the V8 already gets 30+mpg hwy?

Even better corporate average fuel economy.

e - Important note here is that the EPA classifications are not near 30mpg because of the testing methods. Though, I can attest first had that cruise control at 80mph is 29-30mpg all day long. Could possibly even be better. An EPA rating that gets another 6-8mpg is a big deal for the corporate average, and most importantly, doesn't require a massive expense.

 

[obsessive rules]

Why does it need a V6 when the V8 already gets 30+mpg hwy?

21.2 mpg. Compared with a q7 v8 which gets 30.mpg. Both would ruin you, let's take the 2010 300c 3.0crd v6 auto. 34.9mpg. The point is a European engine would get more fuel. This isn't bashing America, I'm just saying that the vette v6 could use a BMW/vw sourced v6 tuned by recaro.

 

[ShobThaBob]

21.2 mpg. Compared with a q7 v8 which gets 30.mpg. Both would ruin you, let's take the 2010 300c 3.0crd v6 auto. 34.9mpg. The point is a European engine would get more fuel. This isn't bashing America, I'm just saying that the vette v6 could use a BMW/vw sourced v6 tuned by recaro.

I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but they're far from correct.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2012_Audi_Q7.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2010_Audi_Q7.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/BMW2012.shtml

You were completely off on your proclomations about the Audi, and fairly off on the BMW stuff. The only BMW models that get over 30mpg EPA are the 2.0s paired to 8speed autos, and the single turbo I6 when paired to the 8speed auto. The 6sp manual gets right at 30.

Before your make wild claims, please do some reasearch. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

e - Also, no vehicles made by Audi or VW make 30mpg or more with a 6 Cyl. Again, please know what you're talking about before claiming such things.

 

[obsessive rules]

I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but they're far from correct.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2012_Audi_Q7.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2010_Audi_Q7.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/BMW2012.shtml

You were completely off on your proclomations about the Audi, and fairly off on the BMW stuff. The only BMW models that get over 30mpg EPA are the 2.0s paired to 8speed autos, and the single turbo I6 when paired to the 8speed auto. The 6sp manual gets right at 30.

Before your make wild claims, please do some reasearch. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

I said source a BMW engine. With MODS they make all the difference. I got the info from 2010 manufacturers claims, as verified by the eu.

You sir are in no position to tell me to do research.

All claims are of 2010 manufacturer claims.

 

[ShobThaBob]

That's great. I was specifically talking about corporate average fuel economy, as rated by the EPA. But yeah, please come in here talking about Chevy sourcing a BMW I6 and modding it for better fuel economy to put in a Corvette. That makes a lot of sense, especially when they already have a 6cyl which makes nearly as much (if not more) power already and has better EPA ratings already. Bright idea. Commendable, really.

I'd also love to see where Audi was claiming 30mpg in a Q7 from the 4.2 v8. The EPA testing is far from perfect, but I have a hard time believing they were 12mpg off on a giant luxury SUV.

 

[ZohsixGT5]

21.2 mpg. Compared with a q7 v8 which gets 30.mpg. Both would ruin you, let's take the 2010 300c 3.0crd v6 auto. 34.9mpg. The point is a European engine would get more fuel. This isn't bashing America, I'm just saying that the vette v6 could use a BMW/vw sourced v6 tuned by recaro.

In my Z06 I get 30-35mpg on the motorway all day long at 65-70mph. And it's modified. At that speed the rpms are around 1500. I can record it if you'd like.

 

[obsessive rules]

Hang on? I said source a BMW engine OR vw engine. I didn't say which one, they could get one made as pagani do with AMG. A smaller company.

I take it you're the good old American traditionalist who still thinks a v8 shouldn't have a turbo, technology's moving on. Look at jaguar an their cx-75, HYBRID. TECHNOLOGY. FUTURE. Message clear enough?

 

[McLaren]

I heard it would be turbocharged, an mr and a v6 hybrid. And a v8. And an fr. Ok that's not the point, I'm saying would you be happy with these looks and a turbo v6 producing 600bhp with electric assistance and mounted low down in the middle?

Before the C6 came out, these same rumors were talked about & none of the enthusiasts cared for it.

Months later, we have the next evolution of the C5, not a MR, turbocharged AWD sports car. I'll put money the C7 follows the same formula & becomes an evolved C6.

I guess you're not really a fan of realities, price, performance, and sales needed to keep a company afloat.

I'm quite positive the Corvette is the furthest car GM looks at regarding any of that.

It's a car they can develop however they wish without worrying too much on what's practical & what isn't, or what the costs will be to build them. As long as GM keeps pumping out desirable, affordable cars to the masses & keeps their sales up, I don't believe the Corvette will ever get a model that's more practical, economical, etc. below the base C6. And that's already a damn good car for near every situation.

 

[Tornado]

21.2 mpg. Compared with a q7 v8 which gets 30.mpg. Both would ruin you, let's take the 2010 300c 3.0crd v6 auto. 34.9mpg.

You know, as wonderful as it is that the Audi Q7 diesel and 300C diesel get such wonderful fuel economy, I can't say that it holds any relevance to this conversation whatsoever.

I take it you're the good old American traditionalist who still thinks a v8 shouldn't have a turbo, technology's moving on. Look at jaguar an their cx-75, HYBRID. TECHNOLOGY. FUTURE. Message clear enough?

That's fantastic, and I'm real happy for you that you think you've seen the light on this matter. But Chevrolet still isn't going to put a turbodiesel in the next Corvette. You can call it "good old American traditionalism" if you want, but I'd say it's more along the lines of "common sense."



And we already know that the next SBC engine is going to be downsized with direct injection, and the next Corvette is being designed with weight loss in mind; so it isn't as if Chevrolet isn't planning in increasing the Corvette's already very good fuel economy.

 

[ShobThaBob]

Do you even know what you're talking about? First you claim that these euro engines are somehow more efficient than the ones GM has in house. I said that you were wrong, showed you numbers I have to back up that statement, and ask for something to back up your claims.

You respond to that by talking about Pagani and AMG? What does that have to do with anything we've been talking about in this thread? Then you make assumptions about my preferred engine choices and automotive heritage preferences? I really don't know what to say to that. I like cars that drive well, look good, and go fast. I'm also very interested in car culture and politics surround development and corporate decisions. I'm all for thinking out of the box, which is why I think a V6 vette could be a good idea if done correctly. I'm trying to see where you'er coming from, but you're just all over the place.

 

[ShobThaBob]

It's a car they can develop however they wish without worrying too much on what's practical & what isn't, or what the costs will be to build them. As long as GM keeps pumping out desirable, affordable cars to the masses & keeps their sales up, I don't believe the Corvette will ever get a model that's more practical, economical, etc. below the base C6. And that's already a damn good car for near every situation.

I wholeheartedly agree. I just don't think it would be bad or have a detrimental effect on anything. It doesn't need to happen, but it'd be interesting to see. That's all. After looking at cost, weight, power, and the benefits of EPA ratings, there is a marginally good case for it.

 

[obsessive rules]

Common sense to keep a niche player. In the uk corvette means nothing. In America it's huge, therefore we will differ. Just to clarify this, in the uk just 2 vettes were sold.

And as much as downsizing is good, it's like amg. "Ok guys, let's take a 6.3 and make it smaller!" except no turbo which provides MORE power and better economy an less co2. It provides more benefits than d.i, and the main argument is responsiveness. Well, vtg turbos like the gt2 RS porsche seem to work well. Just ask the drivers.

Anyway I'm not saying FOR THE C7, I'm saying give the c7 a smaller brother to bankroll production, it's better than an suv or stubby city car like the cygnet.

 

[Tornado]

Do you even know what you're talking about? First you claim that these euro engines are somehow more efficient than the ones GM has in house. I said that you were wrong, showed you numbers I have to back up that statement, and ask for something to back up your claims.

He was referring to this engine and this engine. I don't know why he brought up a pair of turbodiesel engines as proof that the Corvette is stuck in the past because it gets horrible fuel mileage (and it seems neither does he), but just letting you know.

Common sense to keep a niche player. In the uk corvette means nothing. In America it's huge, therefore we will differ. Just to clarify this, in the uk just 2 vettes were sold.

That's also nice that you think them doing it should be common sense, or that the reason we are disagreeing is because of continental divide. GM still won't put a turbodiesel in it.

And as much as downsizing is good, it's like amg. "Ok guys, let's take a 6.3 and make it smaller!" except no turbo which provides MORE power and better economy an less co2. It provides more benefits than d.i, and the main argument is responsiveness. Well, vtg turbos like the gt2 RS porsche seem to work well. Just ask the drivers.

I'd like an example of a car in the Corvette's class that gets better mileage than the Corvette does now (we'll just put off that the next one has been designed with fuel mileage in mind). Because I'm not seeing this advantage that you are asserting is there.


Because if you can provide that, then your argument will have merit. You keep saying that it could be so much better, and perhaps it can. Prove it.

 

[ShobThaBob]

The Corvette is profitable. There were talks of axing it or putting it on hiatus when the bailouts happened. It pays for itself and doesn't require subsidation through other models. Again, you're just all over the place with what you're talking about. There's no discussion or points being made on anything. So *shrug*

 

[obsessive rules]

Wait.... I referred to I turbo diesel. My bad.

Noob mistake.

The Corvette is profitable. There were talks of axing it or putting it on hiatus when the bailouts happened. It pays for itself and doesn't require subsidation through other models. Again, you're just all over the place with what you're talking about. There's no discussion or points being made on anything. So *shrug*

Right then. I didn't present my points well. So, more money= more tech and more tech= cleaner, safer, faster and a few other benefits which I can't remember. This will make it a serious worry for the f12 berlinertta, sls amg and Aston Martin One-77 (sort of with the Aston) which will get more money as it will get better sales in Europe.

And about the mpg. What would you class as competition. American frs or all around the world frs?

 

[ShobThaBob]

He was referring to this engine and this engine. I don't know why he brought up a pair of turbodiesel engines as proof that the Corvette is stuck in the past because it gets horrible fuel mileage (and it seems neither does he), but just letting you know.

Oh. So he was talking about engines that those companies don't even offer in the US. Gotcha.

 

[obsessive rules]

Oh. So he was talking about engines that those companies don't even offer in the US. Gotcha.

Wait... I chose turbo diesels what aren't even sold in America? Well then.

 

[ShobThaBob]

As far as outright track performance is concerned, the ZR1 is a no brainer. It already competes with the best in the world. Any further weight reduction and power increase would just be terrifying.

 

[obsessive rules]

As far as outright track performance is concerned, the ZR1 is a no brainer. It already competes with the best in the world. Any further weight reduction and power increase would just be terrifying.

But on the road the zr1 may not compete as well as it will have too high limits, just my opinion mind.

 

[vfrmaverick]

I'll bet the guy working on a ZR1 must have had at least 4 hours of extra training for the car, and like with most new/specials models, have a shopmanual lying around.

ZR1.

Z06.

They look so different.

for starters those are the rear brakes, but in case you didnt know I took these for you

weight is 26lb for each rotor alone.

and that box full of pads? Thats just for one front caliper.

im not saying a zr1 is that much harder than a z06, but i am saying that its harder than the aveo. Which is, again, why they have corvette only techs. Would making the vette a new brand make a difference? No, just like a GTR they should just need to have a vette tech to service the high performance ones.

 

[McLaren]

As far as outright track performance is concerned, the ZR1 is a no brainer. It already competes with the best in the world. Any further weight reduction and power increase would just be terrifying.

It actually could do with a bit of weight reduction if the reviewers are anything to go by, as many have found the Z06 to be the better, nimble & more track oriented of the 2.

Personally, I think the ZR1 is fine as is. With as much praise as the Z06 gets on the track, I've thought of the ZR1 as a perfect, more "GT-esque" version of a Corvette next to the Z06.

 

[ShobThaBob]

I believe most reviewers echo the same sentiment. I hope to own a lightly used Z06 in a couple years, or just hold onto the 2011 GS whenever it becomes mine. I can't imagine wanting to keep an automatic vette for too long, no matter how well it was taken care of

 

[Dennisch]

for starters those are the rear brakes, but in case you didnt know I took these for you

and that box full of pads? Thats just for one front caliper.

im not saying a zr1 is that much harder than a z06, but i am saying that its harder than the aveo.

Why would it be harder? Because of the extra pads? It's just some extra work.

You really need to throw something special about the ZR1 at me, because as far as I have seen, the 4 hour training about the ZR1 still stands firm.

 

[Slash]

Why would it be harder? Because of the extra pads? It's just some extra work.

You really need to throw something special about the ZR1 at me, because as far as I have seen, the 4 hour training about the ZR1 still stands firm.

Being a techy myself I don't see why it would be harder to replace...turn a few extra nuts and you're all good. Not much differnce other than a bit more work, like you said. I'm almost willing to bet most mechanics and techs could figure it out in a matter of minutes. Thats just by looking at those pics however. Not having actually replacing them puts me in no position to talk. Again, thats just from a quick look so I very well could missing something.

 

[CorvetteGuy80]

"Ecorvette" get it guys? lol That of course could be the low end model corvette. Perhaps it could be known as the "Environmental" Corvette.

 

[ND4SPD]

"Ecorvette" get it guys? lol That of course could be the low end model corvette. Perhaps it could be known as the "Environmental" Corvette.

That sounds terrifying. "Environmental" and "Corvette" should never be used together. Then again, I'm just not a fan of anything made to be environmentally friendly on purpose...Which would explain this sticker on my Corvette....

 

[bzking23]

us americans need more supercars instead of just the corvette and viper, the ford gt and saleen s7 are out of production, nobody remembers the ssc ultimate aero, and so on.

 

[ICEYOU]

us americans need more supercars instead of just the corvette and viper, the ford gt and saleen s7 are out of production, nobody remembers the ssc ultimate aero, and so on.

Ford must bring back the cobra.

 

[ShobThaBob]

Huh?