The General Anime Thread...

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Sephy
Sorry man. Maybe it's hard for us to understand but I doubt it. We have TV shows that rake in money. Charlie Sheen was getting like $2 million per episode for Two and a half men. That's just him alone. They had to be raking in money. You say anime isn't that popular in Japan but it must be if they can charge so much for a Blu-Ray and actually sell them. Marketing has a lot to do with anything. And besides what you say, anime is popular in Japan. Not as much as here, but it's definitely popular there or there wouldn't be so many terrible shows that keep coming out. I'll try to form a better response when I'm sober.
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How much money did those TV shows cost to make (Remember, anime costs around $110,000-$220,000 to make just ONE episode. The original FMA cost like $5.6 million to make.), and how big of ratings do they get? Probably way more than anime as unlike anime, Two and a Half Men is mainstream, and is in a prime time slot. Most anime are relegated to late-night, not prime time, especially since they can't get the ratings to justify it. Bleach struggled in prime time in recent years.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2005955#2005955

Anime has NEVER been mainstream in Japan. Also have you looked at anime TV ratings before?
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=949717
Also allow me to put this quote up. Parts not relevant to this discussion taken out.
Annf
On the general topic of the popularity of cartoons aimed at adults, data on viewership ratings is available here on ANN.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-12-12/japan-animation-tv-ranking-november-29-december-5
Late-night TV anime (all non-comedy TV anime aimed at adults) doesn't appear in ANN's list because too few people watch it for it to show up, but in the discussion for that week, Thhyon has helpfully posted a full list:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=142358
This shows clearly the difference between children's shows and comedies, which have a notable audience, and non-comedy adult shows that have so small an audience they can only be broadcast on TV in the form of self-sponsored infomercials (effectively OVAs with a promotional broadcast).

To confirm some of the info I'd been reading online, I bought『アニメビジネスがわかる』増田弘道 (Anime bijinesu ga wakaru / "Understanding the Anime Buisiness," MASUDA Hiromichi) ISBN 978-4-7571-2200-0
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It has a lot of additional info about production costs and income, especially for standard advertising-supported children's shows, but also covers the adult market as well, including case-studies of Production I.G. and GDH, and backs up the standard understanding of self-sponsored late-night adult-targeted shows:
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"Only a few shows in late-night time slots receive money from the broadcasting stations."
"The DVD sales market is especially important for adult-targeted shows."
The author also has a blog about the anime business here:
http://anime.typepad.jp/
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1021644#1021644

Also, the reason why they charge so much is so it can actually break even (Sell it cheaper, and you have a huge risk of losing money. This has been proven before MANY times for anime in Japan.), not because it's real popular. Not to mention, it's been priced this much from the start (Just like how CD's cost more money in Japan (From the start.), than other parts of the world when they first went on sale.). The otaku are VERY loyal over there. It's popular among them, but if you gave it away for free, most people wouldn't care. You wouldn't have millions picking up Guilty Crown, you'd have under 100,000, and that's out of a population of a little under 150 million (About half of our population.).

It's higher priced also due to the fact it's a niche market. Why is anime here priced higher than your normal American TV show or cartoon? Because it's not going to sell anywhere near as much (Also lack of ad-revenue. They rely HEAVILY on DVD/BD sales. Without those, anime would cease to be profitable-not like it's really profitable anymore.), and they have so many different costs to cover. Just take a look at this for example, licensing costs. Also take a look what ADV had to do for a certain unpopular title to break even on licensing costs alone during the singles era. Who knows what the dubbing, subbing, packaging, and more cost them.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...ments-reveal-amounts-paid-for-29-anime-titles
Almost $9 million to acquire the rights for 29 anime.
As an example provided in the court documents, the series 009-1 was acquired for $25,000 an episode. This title was not very popular at all and would need to sell about 10,000 units to break even on licensing costs alone, at a time when other sources indicate half of that was what a good title sold.
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2012/01/26/feature-adv-vs-arm-a-tale-of-two-lawsuits

Anime is popular in Japan, but not as much as westerners make it seem like. It's a niche market. There is popularity, but not all that much for anime in general.

Another thing I'd throw in...
The publishing companies have to foot the production, marketing, and advertising costs in order to put anime on television. One episode would cost 10 million to 20 million yen (about US$110,000 to US$220,000) to produce. In addition, the publishers have to pay the sponsoring fee for the timeslot, which can cost about 50 million yen (US$560,000) for late-night timeslots on five to seven stations for two cours (six months). However, sponsoring timeslots on UHF stations cost about half of that. The total budget for an anime series on the level of Fullmetal Alchemist (which aired on key stations for one year at 6:00 p.m. on Saturdays) was at least 500 million yen (US$5.6 million).
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-10-09/producer/no-square-enix-anime-lost-money-in-8-years
 
C-ZETA
I have to say, Guilty Crown does look very promising. I think it might well be one of my next shows.
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Do it. Do it now!

It's really good. Throws you for a loop but I believe it'll pay off.
 
uMadson?
I have nothing else against you Asuka fans and your waifus but like Loli, I prefer Kurisu too.
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And you are welcome to your opinion. :)


C-ZETA
I have to say, Guilty Crown does look very promising. I think it might well be one of my next shows.
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It's turning out to be pretty awesome. Check it out.
 
Loliblade ver2
This is why so few people here get along with you TC.
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I've stopped reading his posts when I see $ signs and such simply because it is a series of poor conclusions and assumptions. That no one here really cares about. Which is why I've suggested he get a blog and just put it in his sig.
 
AOS-
So I'm thinking about making more avatars in the future.... kinda like mine right now.. Anyone?
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As long as it's... let's see here...

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As long as it's Tenma or Minene, then, YES!

On a serious note, I'm still trying to understand how explaining GC from his perspective is difficult.
 
Yeah you totally did trigger something.... this won't live long though. People don't appreciate eye balls and lashes like we do. :O
 
aos-
yeah you totally did trigger something.... This won't live long though. People don't appreciate eye balls and lashes like we do. :o
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EDIT: NVM


Night guys!
 
The loli he dislikes so much: Oshino SHIIIIINOBU.

He picks Hachikuji over that, like what is that guy thinking? Is he mad bro? :p

FYI, I didn't ignore you Cyuushi, I knew Jrav was going to ask so I waited.
 
WUT? That's Shinobu? The other pics I've seen of her look nothing like that...

Does she look like that in the anime? Cause if she does I'm watching it.
 

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