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No one cares.

Plus, part of the experience is watching it as it airs, which I don't think you did.
You wouldn't bother replying if you didn't care. You would just look at the post, and brush it off.

Also I didn't, but I wasn't spoiled, and was watching it at a rate of 1 episode a week because that's how CR streamed it. The difference was hype was everywhere by the time I was watching it (The hype can be annoying, like with those that get way too into Naruto, DBZ, Bleach, etc.), not back when it was first airing, and then it got way more popular after people freaked out over a certain event in episode 3.
TC, in what way Fate/Zero is better than Madoka?
Character development, dialogue, story, pacing, and so much more. This is the better Gen Urobochi work (He wrote the novels for Fate/Zero, and was the scriptwriter for Madoka) IMO.

There is a very good reason as to why both seasons of Fate/Zero rank higher than Madoka on MAL, despite the fact Madoka has absolutely IMMENSE hype surrounding it (To the point of being insanely ridiculous) that makes Naruto's seem nonexistant, and Fate/Zero doesn't have as big of hype. In fact, compared to Madoka's hype, it's nonexistant as well as Madoka's swallows Fate/Zero's hype whole.
Cano has a good point. The deeper, more thought provoking aspects of the show seems to have flown completely over your head.

For example, did you ever give much thought to the consequences of Madokas wish?

That must be why you feel less thought provoking shows are better. Like Kore wa Zombie, Infinite Stratos, And Nichijou.
They didn't, and I did think there were consequences, as you are erasing something that was part of the world the entire time. Plus, what will happen to her?

I get there are consequences to becoming a magical girl, Madoka may have made the world worse with her final wish (We won't know until the third movie) despite the fact it's the reset ending I've seen so many times before, there are so many pains they've gone through (Every magical girl suffered), nobody should become a magical girl unless you want them to become crazy witches (Speaking of this, how did magical girls appear in the show in the first place along with Kyuubey?), it makes you think, especially near the end but I've seen better shows. Now mind you, I don't find Madoka bad. It's a fairly good show with interesting concepts, there are just plenty of shows that I personally feel are better.

IS: Infinite Stratos wasn't as thought-provoking, but I found it to be the better show because of the story, and the characters (Outside the meh harem you give up on after a few episodes. People seem to think "OMG, fanservice and harem aspects? Knock off a point for quality."). It was interesting to see what a female-dominated society was like, as in the women are more important than the men, and the past events leading up to where society began to restructure.

Nichijou was a riot, and the characters, they were just so good. Though it's harder to compare Nichijou to Madoka because it's a slice-of-life show. How do you go about explaining the plot being strong as it's slice-of-life? They have to be analyzed differently.

Kore wa Zombie desu Ka?, that one, I absolutely loved the characters and story. They were so well-developed (In season 1 that is, in season 2 things go to hell), and that story, quite touching even though it's something you've seen before.

And to put in something in here, there's a show I've seen with far more thought-provoking elements than Madoka, Shangri-La, but that show wasn't as good (I found it just good, mainly for what it was) due to the story and character development suffering from trying to cram too much into 24 episodes. What does that say? I found a more thought-provoking show worse than Madoka. There are others as well like Appleseed (Movie), both seasons of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Last Exile: Fam, the Silver Wing, Clannad (Season 1), and more.

Just because something is thought-provoking, doesn't mean it automatically is better than a non-thought-provoking show. Take Mars of Destruction, a really awful (But likable because you're laughing at how bad it is) OVA.

There was a message out there, what would we be doing if there is life on Mars, and we destroyed that?

However, the (rather weak) message couldn't back up the show as everything else was complete and utter 🤬. Character development? They're just there. Story? Been there, done that and it's too simple and weak.

Something like A Dark Rabbit Has Seven Lives which isn't thought-provoking at all is better than that as it had better character development, a better story, and not to mention it was more entertaining.

I do wonder how I'll view Madoka after I watch stuff like Legend of the Galactic Heroes (I've heard it's very thought-provoking, and intelligent), and magical girl shows like Nanoha, Princess Tutu, and various other older magical girl series that apparently broke the mold a bit. Oh, and finish Sailor Moon.

Since you're in super defending Madoka Magica mode, I'm curious, what do you have to say to this guy who let the insane hype for Madoka get to him, to the point he dissected the entire show? I feel he gives it too much crap.
http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=animeatt&aid=8069&attid=7858
I am a big fan of Fate/Zero but there were a lot of parts that I skipped through. Madoka is different.
What....? If you skipped straight to just the action scenes and skipped over those important bits that made it so good...
 
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Can anyone tell me how much of K-On! has been dubbed yet? I kinda lost track and I have bad luck finding it.
All of season 1 as you already know, and half of season 2.

Sentai's DVD and BD for the rest of the show comes out at the end of next month.

 
All of season 1 as you already know, and half of season 2.

Sentai's DVD and BD for the rest of the show comes out at the end of next month.


Ok, thanks. Now to figure out how to get $170+ to get every single disk at the same time, plus another $150+ to get the games I want to get in the remainder of the year. :dopey:
 
I'm still puzzled by the ending of that trailer, BD/DVD combo. It's a Kadokawa title, and they recently became so paranoid about reverse-importation, they're preventing all of their titles from being released on Blu-ray outside of Japan. There was actually an article on it even.

Regardless of format, I hope to gawd this art is somewhere on the part 2 (Not yet solicited), or the artbox (On the back, please be on there). Can't wait to own it, but I'm still hoping it's a combo pack.
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I have a huge favor to ask: Could you find these Nendoroid or at least the names of these characters and where I can get them.

Those aren't Nendos; they're little stuffed plushie thing-a-ma-bobs.
 
Kore wa Zombie desu Ka?, that one, I absolutely loved the characters and story. They were so well-developed (In season 1 that is)

BAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHH.


Omg, I can't stop laughing. Kore zombie? Characters well developed? BAHAHAHAA. Holy crap, this is hilarious.
 
BAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHH.


Omg, I can't stop laughing. Kore zombie? Characters well developed? BAHAHAHAA. Holy crap, this is hilarious.

And the whole post is likethat, I assume? I haven't seen any of the shows he exemplifies there, but bein', you know, him, I still think it's all a bunch of crap.
 
Haven't posted here in a long time. Watching episode 7 of xxxholic as I finally got home from work.
 
Just as a side note Loli who's a good example of a well developed character in your opinion ?

Though it wasn't directed at me, I'll answer it in his place:

***Spike (Cowboy Bebop)
***Kiritsugu Emiya (Fate Zero)
Alice Caroll (Aria The Origination)
Rock (Black Lagoon)
***Ashirogi Moto (Bakuman)
Kyon (Haruhi Suzumiya)
Masane Amaha (Witchblade)
Okazaki Tomoya (Clannad)
maybe Takasu Ryuuji (Toradora)
 
Just as a side note Loli who's a good example of a well developed character in your opinion ?

With pleasure, sir:
Spike(Cowboy Bebop, AOS said it, but it's the truth).
Edward Elric(Fullmetal Alchemist and Brotherhood)
Anemone(Eureka Seven)
Kyon(The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
Yuki Nagato(Haruhi. To get another female and Haruhi cast member here)
Masaki Jougasaki(Tatami Galaxy)
Hei(Darker Than Black)
Triela(Gunslinger Girl)
Jun Ushiro(Bokurano)

That enough for now?
 
And the whole post is likethat, I assume? I haven't seen any of the shows he exemplifies there, but bein', you know, him, I still think it's all a bunch of crap.
You still need to see the shows before you can pass your judgement on them being better than Madoka or not, like many Madoka fans who declare it the best anime ever, and not just the best anime they've seen.

I really do need to see these older magical girl shows (Such as the ones pointed out in that Madoka review I posted-see the "Originality" section) so I can compare them to Madoka.
 
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Hey TC, see number four: http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-common-movie-arguments-that-are-always-wrong/ It's very relevant.

Oh and stop slurping off roricon when it comes to Madoka. No it doesn't make you clever to repeat what he says, especially when you say something completely more ridiculous shortly after, like saying Kore zombie had well developed characters while you call Madoka's "just there".

I'm pretty damn sure he rated Madoka higher than a goddamn lot of those shows you have on your list. Being all like "Oh hey I'm not buying into the hype" doesn't make you some wizard or anything. You aren't getting any special recognition. I watched Madoka hype free in one day. And guess what? I adored the 🤬 out of it. I thought it was a beautiful story wrapped in other stories. And just because Mami

didn't last very long, doesn't mean she wasn't a good character

So shut up already. You're not some big hot-shot critic, many things you praise highly are still considered laughable in the anime industry. Typical otaku bait that is seen time and time again. Just because you can repeat some bad things about a magical girl show that everyone loves, doesn't mean you're some original deity. Remember that rori didn't make Madoka's review like that because it was bad, but because people thought it was OMGAMAZINGBESTEVERHOLYCRAP and he couldn't stand it, which is NOT the way to review something. That is bias, which is JUST as bad as loving something for hype.
 
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Did I ever say Madoka was unecessary or a ripoff (Which leads to it being bad)? No, what I was getting through is stuff has been done before. Pretty much everything has been done before, but many people fail to see that, and say Madoka did everything first, and are finding it to be the most original thing since sliced bread. You can point them to shows that did it earlier, which took pointers from other shows, and it goes on.

You do get different experiences from show to show when they're very similar, yes. However, seeing that thing done before multiple times makes it harder to enjoy depending on the person. Reset ending? Seen it so many times I can't help but find it lackluster. Hell, I'm finding it harder right now to enjoy anime than like a year ago because I'm watching so much, and have seen so much.

If I had seen way more magical girl shows before Madoka, the experience would be harder to enjoy.
Oh and stop slurping off roricon when it comes to Madoka. No it doesn't make you clever to repeat what he says, especially when you say something completely more ridiculous shortly after, like saying Kore zombie had well developed characters while you call Madoka's "just there".
Did I say Madoka's were "just there"? I said they weren't developed as much as they could have been. If I could give Madoka a score for "Character", it would be between 7/10 and 8/10. If they were "just there" like Hiiro no Kakera, or Ice, 1/10-3/10, but they weren't.

As for slupring, it's only the "Originality" section. And no, it doesn't make me clever. Hell, me just stating Madoka has taken elements from other shows by myself doesn't make me clever either. I'm not clever whatsoever, I'm just a moron typing a 3-hour response via a PlayStation 3.

And guess what? I disagree with much of what he says in the rest of his review, and I feel he's giving the show too much crap. I mean story, 5/10? Really? Character 5/10? What? The only high scores he gave were 9 to sound and artwork/animation.

However, at the same time he brings up good arguments, even though I don't find these things detracting from the show.
I'm pretty damn sure he rated Madoka higher than a goddamn lot of those shows you have on your list.
Here you go. http://myanimelist.net/shared.php?u1=roriconfan&u2=BigOnAnime

Please note, he never added all the anime he's seen to his MAL, and he's been banned there permanently. Any show that started after the Fall 2011 season, he hasn't reviewed on there. He has been posting many of his reviews to Anime-Planet, and correcting them, so many scores are either higher or lower than they originally were, like Bleach is now a 5/10 for him.
Being all like "Oh hey I'm not buying into the hype" doesn't make you some wizard or anything. You aren't getting any special recognition. I watched Madoka hype free in one day. And guess what? I adored the 🤬 out of it. I thought it was a beautiful story wrapped in other stories.
You really think I'm wanting to be praised don't you? Who gives a 🤬 about praise here? Wizard? Meh. Special recognition, why would I want it? To be famous on the internet? Fame comes at a risk. If I wanted to be a clever wizard, original deity, it wouldn't be on a forum.

Also hype is what led me to the show. You guys were one of the first people on me about the show, and telling me to watch it back on BR. So there was no "I never bought into hype." here. I was stating the difference between my viewing, and your viewing. It got popular while you guys watched it, but it was already Naruto's rival in popularity by the time I watched it.

Though it should be noted, hype isn't what made me think about what the quality would be like for sure. There are plenty of shows where how I think of it doesn't meet the hype.
And just because Mami
didn't last very long, doesn't mean she wasn't a good character
Did I ever say she was bad? I said she wasn't that good. She was
killed way too early on. Was she important? Yes, but not as anywhere near much as the others. At the very least, she's a decent chracter, not a bad one.
So shut up already. You're not some big hot-shot critic, many things you praise highly are still considered laughable in the anime industry. Typical otaku bait that is seen time and time again.
Did I ever claim to be one? I don't care about being a critic. If I did, I'd be writing more reviews. I review what I review, and have only two planned which are positive reviews, a change from my negative streak (I have yet to write a single positive review).

And as for laughable, it depends on who you're asking. Typical otaku bait has been there since day 1 of this medium. And just because it's otaku-bait, doesn't mean it's objectively bad. If that were the case, Madoka would be objectively bad. The beginning of it was otaku bait (They tried to fool people into thinking it was a cutesy, moe magical girl show with the opening, ending-before episode 3, and promo art), and yet, it wasn't bad.
Just because you can repeat some bad things about a magical girl show that everyone loves, doesn't mean you're some original deity. Remember that rori didn't make Madoka's review like that because it was bad, but because people thought it was OMGAMAZINGBESTEVERHOLYCRAP and he couldn't stand it, which is NOT the way to review something. That is bias, which is JUST as bad as loving something for hype.[/color]
Me repeating it already makes me not original, so you can cut that crap out. You must think I want positive things said about me don't you since I keep doing what I'm doing what I'm doing?

You can't write a review without bias, sorry to say, but that's the truth, so the way he's doing it, not wrong. It's common sense, you always have bias when reviewing something. For example, there was bias when I was writing that negative Shana III review. My disappointment was fueling the review.

roriconfan even states he has bias when writing reviews, like everyone else does.
http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=cmt&id=39592

BTW, there's bias in both of our posts, so how about that?

Also while he did review Madoka due to him not being able to stand the hype (It popped up in early April, when the show was nearly done), there's also how he reviews everything he starts watching these days, regardless of if he liked it or not. He already has reviews for Summer shows, and is updating them as he watches further.
 
I don't see how Kore wa Zombies characters are better than Madokas. Those characters are so shallow compared to Madokas.

And it's not because it's a harem, the characters are shallow, period. The only one I find likeable is Haruna, and she's still just a cookie cutter tsundere.
 
And that's where we have different opinions that we won't understand. I fail to see how Madoka's characters are better, and you fail to see how Kore wa Zombie desu Ka?'s are better. No amount of arguing is going to change that.

It depends on who's viewing it, and the angle they're viewing it at. Though no one person is superior because they saw show X that way, and show Y that way.

Also why watch Kore wa Zombie desu Ka? if you find only one single character likable, and the others I'm guessing are annoying, and not likable at all?
 
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No, TC. The quality of characters and their development is not subjective, it's completely objective.

I may hate all of NGE's cast, but they're not bad characters. They're all VERY well written and have their own traumas, insecurities, things they like, don't, etc. You don't get that often in a show, it just so happens the collective amount of information about them and their development makes me extremely dislike them. But likeability is irrelevant to quality and development. I hate Asuka, she's a bitch and should probably hang herself from an Eva or somethin', but it's the amount of development she went through that makes me feel that way, not just because she said some means thing to people. She still did do that a lot though, A LOT.
 
No, TC. The quality of characters and their development is not subjective, it's completely objective.
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Not even going to bother with this 🤬, especially since we'll go in the direction about shows being objectively good, when it's subjective.

Also, there is no such thing as complete objectivity...
 
Except there is such thing as objectively good. You just like bad things(hey, I've liked some pretty bad things too) and your defence is always "oh well quality is subjective".
 
How many more times am I going to have to facepalm today? There is no such thing as objectively good, nor objectively bad.

It's not a fact Evangelion's characters are good. It's not a fact they're bad either.

Madoka being a good show is not a fact. Madoka being a bad show is not a fact.
 
There is such thing as objectively bad and objectively good.

Guilty Crown's production values were objectively amazing, while the story was objectively terrible. Fact.
 
There is such thing as objectively bad and objectively good.

Guilty Crown's production values were objectively amazing, while the story was objectively terrible. Fact.
Okay, prove it by saying it with zero bias.

It has to be with facts, not just your personal opinion of the show.
 
Men, prepare your popcorn, this is getting good.

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I see exactly where this one will go. It reminds me of this argument I saw as it happened back in May on Anime-Planet.
 
Okay, prove it by saying it with zero bias.

It has to be with facts, not just your personal opinion of the show.

I liked Guilty Crown. I wasn't all that disappointed with it because its moments of promise were far apart. My own lack of disappointment and liking of the show is not a factor in me calling the story terrible.

All of the characters were archetypes with shreds of development. Their writing also changed frequently. Gai went from magical badass to
super villain, to misunderstood villain, to hero in the course of a few episodes. Inconsistent, poor attempt at character depth. His agenda was not eluded to, it was created out of thin air, just like the point where he comes back to life. This was also part of the inconsistency of the story. It started as a school show with some powers, focused on rebellion, then magical ******** happened and there was an apocalypse. The apocalypse setting had promise until they shift back to the storyline that was mentioned in episode 12(if I recall correctly), the magical ******** aspect. They do this by bringing a character who SHOULD be dead back to life and giving him said agenda that he apparently had all this time. For what reason? So Shu can have a villain to fight and Gai can be like "lol I was the king all along lolololol the writers just trolled you because your arm is gone".
Shu loses his arm, which he somehow recuperates from in the span of a goddamn day instead of dying from blood loss. So then Inori goes from silent girl to determined monster out of nowhere, because Shu needs protecting, hallelujah. There's a lot of inconsistency there. Character inconsistency, story inconsistency, hell, even the power of the king's capabilities were inconsistent. Sometimes people passed out, sometimes they were awake when their voids were removed. And no, it did not depend on whether or not Shoe was holding them. Sometimes he held Inori and she still passed out, but holding onto Gai is a different story apparently. There was also when Shu got his arm sliced off, Inori was awake as Gai had her void. Good job writers!
In case you were wondering, extremely inconsistent =bad writing. Just because you like it, or enjoyed it, doesn't mean it was good. I enjoyed the hell out of every single episode.

The ending was also a garbled mess and Shu ended up blind. Wat.

Back to the archetype characters:
Magical badass
Whiny bitch(who turned into hitler and jesus, which does not equal proper character development)
Silent girl, few emotions.
Tsundere
Catgirl loli

That cast(mostly since most don't receive good or proper development) is objectively terrible. Remember TC, just because a show seems interesting, exciting or enjoyable, doesn't mean it's good.
 

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