The good and bad about public reviews?

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I don't need any reassurance from a community member that I will get a wheel.
Also it has been decided since the 21th of October 2011 by Thomas that I would be a Community Tester for the CSW after I wrote a review he was impressed with on the ClubSport Pedals. Which has been reconfirmed not that long ago by Thomas himself that I am still in that position.
He asked me if I would like to take the position of CTM here on GTplanet.net because it was clear from the very beginning already that I would get a wheel, which would make me the most objective in the matter in Thomas his eyes.

You can read the review here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=228495
This is the comment from Thomas: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6073990#post6073990


Also either you trust me with this or you don't. Again like I said here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6713620#post6713620

I dunno... I think it only shows the enormous distrust in people to be honest if one thinks that deeply about it. And to be honest that's the basis for wondering if anyone is even biased or not, if there is any trust at all in them from the reader. Or first of all, does the reader at all trust anyone but himself. If he does not then there is no reason for him to discuss whether a reviewer is biased or not, because the reviewer will always be distrusted by the reader in this case.
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So yeah, trust me with this or not; it's up to you and of course the rest of the community as well. If you think you can do a better job and be more trust worthy be my guest and apply for the job, as nothing has been made official yet on who is going to be CTM.

I know I on the other hand had in mind to pick a variety of people that could get a chance. However I don't know who will apply but if a new member applies I will consider them just as much as I would a well respected member. Also I think of the 10 people I think it would be good of a CTM to pick a wide range of people so people can actually choose between contrasts, instead of between a panel of 10 experienced people.

Also you could have just asked me directly and publicaly how I would select the members, instead of the way you put things now. Which I rather would have seen differently.
Anyway, I think everyone has and should have equal rights in this race and I will refuse to make favors. However at the end of the day I am sure I'll be called everything though that the community can think of.
 
I trust you will do a stand-up job both in your review and deciding there final ten community members.
 
LogiForce
I don't need any reassurance from a community member that I will get a wheel.
Also it has been decided since the 21th of October 2011 by Thomas that I would be a Community Tester for the CSW after I wrote a review he was impressed with on the ClubSport Pedals. Which has been reconfirmed not that long ago by Thomas himself that I am still in that position.
He asked me if I would like to take the position of CTM here on GTplanet.net because it was clear from the very beginning already that I would get a wheel, which would make me the most objective in the matter in Thomas his eyes.
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You can't be serious. This would make you the most objective? I don't think so. This would make you the least objective because you have the most to gain. Free stuff.

You write good review. Thomas likes it and wants another standup review, so he asks you to write one and pick some people that would also write good reviews. It's pretty simple and you go a long way to pretend otherwise under the guise of objectivity. You even go as far to say that you would entertain the idea of picking someone outside of the Fanatec club, though not me because I've already burned that bridge right?

No one else will call you out because they are too busy brown nosing trying to become testers themselves.
 
You have to Remeber though we will choose the reviewer as such..... All Chris does is sets up the poll I believe!

+ filtering through applicants depending on how many apply!
 
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The Bad
Splits previously fine community's. Adds suspicion.

The good.

Lots of Drama.
 
Spagetti69
Lots of Drama.
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I actually find it pretty amusing. While I think everyone's opinion should be respected, I feel like, at times, somethings are taken a bit too seriously.

I trust Logi to choose a good mix of people for the poll and there are plenty of people on this forum with different backgrounds and experiences to choose from.
 
Spagetti69
Why is Logi choosing people?
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Because he can :)

If there are other people who think that they are better then they should stand up and prove it, otherwise just lean back and enjoy the ride, in the end-it is not a flight to Mars that we are dealing with :)
 
Nobody gave me the power yet, Thomas asked me if I would like to take on the job. Read past history here and in the main Fanatec thread.
However Thomas has not announced me as an official CTM yet, so the position is still open. However a lot of people assume that I already will be the CTM because of this, but I always distanced myself.

Also the reason I partake so much in this discussion is because I like it and personally find it enjoyable to help the community. The reason I sometimes defend my person is because Thomas actually did ask me and thus I want to let others know how I really am thinking about certain circumstances where they assume things that I am personally convinced of that I would not intentionally do.


Also like ilonioum said. If you have the time and think you can do better, then please stand up now and message Thomas and also to be transparent make a public announcement that you are also in the running for the seat of CTM.


On a personal note. I would love to help this community and think everyone deserves a fair chance in this race (yes, even critics like BCNR. Everyone!). It's just that if the community thinks that I am not qualified enough to represent it, then so be it. I am not a politician or bankster that stays on even after everyone dislikes him. I believe in true democracy and not dictatorship.
However I think it would be silly to make another application process or CTM like for Tester. Cause then you could layer process onto process onto process and in the end you'd get no where. In other words you need a CTM process to pick the tester, a new process to pick the CTM, a new process to pick the people who are allowed to be CTM, and so on and so forth. Catch 22 basically.


Oh and BNCR, about brown nosing. I hate it myself so people who will try to do that won't be favored. In fact they would just end up showing their true selves and intentions. Which isn't necessarily good for an objective review that the community wants. So in the end that means that they would actually lower the chances of them being one of the 10 contestants. ;)


Also I might defend myself a bit too much here, but that has always been a personality trait of mine which might not always be a good one. It's just that I like to explain myself properly too much I guess when I think someone else is wrong about myself and my intentions.
 
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LogiForce
Also like ilonioum said. If you have the time and think you can do better, then please stand up now and message Thomas and also to be transparent make a public announcement that you are also in the running for the seat of CTM.
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You get me wrong Logi. I am not in anyway interested in taking part.

I believe you are a sincere person (because I am that sort of person who likes to believe people I read around here).

I have seen Thomas call out Topyn, Gainsym and Wildrun as employers of Thrustmaster. (I have also asked these guys myself. The community thought it bad to call people out but on different matters they call others out too, I'll get to that later)

Thomas has warned of virile campaigns that company's will endeavour to do amongst community's to undermine other company's and promote there own. This was something I was unaware of in my blissful ignorance of da webz.

I have seen on countless occasions low post count users who complain about a product get called out for having an agenda.(This is the part where it's cool to call people out)
I have in the past stuck up for this person who after all, isn't saying, "black is white". They often say something that I have experienced myself or are in need of direction. Yes they are generally in a ranting mood but many are not.

Back to virile campaign's from company's for a minute.

What do we have here on the surface?.
CEO picks a CTM( as I understand it)
CTM then picks a tester.
Are we not involved in a Campaign of sorts. Are we not advertising products outside of the trading forum also while were at it lol.

Could I not turn around to you and ask if you work for Fanatec? I would probably be called out by the community for asking(not cool here) but if it's ok to be sceptical to complainers then everyone is open to scepticism in my book.

I realise that Thomas himself has always been upfront about who and what he's about. It is the Internet though after all. And as many of you have said to me before. Be careful what you believe around here.

Sorry Logi, you could be Scaff, Daan or officer Famine himself I would still say the same thing.

Are the independent review days now gone forever in regards to Fanatec?

I'm out my head is pickled.
 
@ Logiforce

Strange that Thomas is actually viewing this tread right now, but still has not confirmed your CTM status yet.
 
Beware of daan and famine lol!

I do think ppl are taking this a little seriously when its us (the voters) who have the final say on who tests!

Edit: timpaq beat me!
 
I can understand your worries, Spagetti. It would be hard proof I am not without making screenshots of my back account and showing you I get money from the state due to bad health and not from Fanatec in anyway.

Update: removed my life story as its been long enough in the public domain now. Pm me if you want to get to know me a bit better.
 
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Guys, let's just settle this, Logi was chosen by Thomas for this position and most of us agree with it, there will always be some people who disagree but hey, we have democracy and everyone has the right to disagree.

Unless if you have any strong reasons to believe Logi is now good for this job and you can do it better speak now or remain silent forever :)

As soon as Logi is officially announced as a CTM we will have a poll with people chosen for the test (Logi will be extremely careful and helpful I'm sure).

Last phase - democracy will take its part and people with the most votes will get the wheel.

Can understand what is the actual problem here, why put a spoke in someone's wheel for now obvious reason, let's just be fair guys.
 
I just want to say one last thing then I'll stay out of this thread.

I want to apologize for my defensive behavior as it is a bad natural response of mine of which I should be more self aware. I love this community and I love to help people and if I get chosen as CTM I will certainly take note of everything that has been said here in my decisions.

That is all.
 
No apologies needed at all from you.
If anything, if I've offended you then I'll gladly apologise.

Take care.
 
Spagetti69
I have seen on countless occasions low post count users who complain about a product get called out for having an agenda.(This is the part where it's cool to call people out)
I have in the past stuck up for this person who after all, isn't saying, "black is white". They often say something that I have experienced myself or are in need of direction. Yes they are generally in a ranting mood but many are not.

Back to virile campaign's from company's for a minute.

What do we have here on the surface?.
CEO picks a CTM( as I understand it)
CTM then picks a tester.
Are we not involved in a Campaign of sorts. Are we not advertising products outside of the trading forum also while were at it lol.

Could I not turn around to you and ask if you work for Fanatec? I would probably be called out by the community for asking(not cool here) but if it's ok to be sceptical to complainers then everyone is open to scepticism in my book.
Are the independent review days now gone forever in regards to Fanatec?

I'm out my head is pickled.
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This is why it bothers me so much to see some of the so called independent Fanatec community reviewers being sarcastic and unpolite in Fanatec customer support complaint threads generaly towards the OP.
 
Not trying to put the community down, but the only review I'm looking forward to is Sonac's (assuming he is doing one). That's why I'm not concerned about all this gtplanet community tester hoopla. His reviews are the most thorough, professional, and fair (despite running a Fanatec fansite).
 
ilonioum
Can understand what is the actual problem here, why put a spoke in someone's wheel for now obvious reason, let's just be fair guys.
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Not sure what you mean by obvious reason?

I can go with what you say, but how about as a community when the irate first time posters come about we listen not stick a spoke in there too. (For all brands).

If its a troll they usually end up getting exposed anyway.

Peace.
 
Nastradamus87
Not trying to put the community down, but the only review I'm looking forward to is Sonac's (assuming he is doing one). That's why I'm not concerned about all this gtplanet community tester hoopla. His reviews are the most thorough, professional, and fair (despite running a Fanatec fansite).
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Thanks for pointing that out, I'm sure people here, as well as I, do respect your opinion and have their own.
 
Nastradamus87
Not trying to put the community down, but the only review I'm looking forward to is Sonac's (assuming he is doing one). That's why I'm not concerned about all this gtplanet community tester hoopla. His reviews are the most thorough, professional, and fair (despite running a Fanatec fansite).
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You do know he was voted in by this community for his csr e review right?
 
Oh poo on all these long posts and drama. Let's get Logi confirmed as our CTM so we can get this show on the road. I'm rdy to get this hype machine going back into full swing
 
Start a hype thread then.
The OP started the thread for a place to debate the good and bad concerning community aided testers.

Sorry it's not your cup of tea but so far some people have shown some interests and concerns regarding this.
 
Just as an aside, the thread on Thomas's blog has reached 99 comments. There are probably at least 60 submissions. That is a great turnout.
 

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