The Grind is Getting Me Down Man

[Winkie069]

Would you really feel better if you could just run through the whole game in about 30 days?

No one will be playing this game in 30 days because it is such a grind to do anything lvl 20+👎

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I don't know what you guys are getting bent out of shape for, we're probably not gonna see another GT for a GOOD while.

Would you really feel better if you could just run through the whole game in about 30 days?

So you enjoy doing the same, repetitive events over and over again?

 

[Sselecta]

Would you really feel better if you could just run through the whole game in about 30 days?

Anything that does not involve sadistic level-grinding in absurdum is better.

 

[Imari]

The problem is that it has been artificially extended. There's not that much gameplay, it just makes you repeat it more times than you otherwise would. That's not exactly great design, especially when creating events is presumably fairly cheap in terms of labour. I mean really, how hard can it be?

 

[Dravonic]

As far as I'm concenred, the game is online. I've barely been able to start playing it.

You don't make a game last longer by forcing people to progress slowly. You make it last longer by making it fun. Do away with all the restrictions, let me go race online, and the replayability will go through the roof.

I agree. Ever since GT5P, GT is all about online to me. It's such an amazing experience, if you know the right people to race with. The problem is, if I completely ignore the offline and only race online, I'm stagnated. That wouldn't be a problem if I could progress offline through online. But it turns out I can't.

What is driving me crazy is that PD could have turned the game into a great success, at least to me, just by allowing you to race in the offline events like you could in online events in GT5P. What I mean is, I enter the event, say the clubman stage and I have the option to play it online or offline. Offline works like it does now, but in online mode it would match me with a bunch of other people racing the same event at the same time, like in GT5P. That alone would make me not mind racing the same event over and over again to gain experience. It's not like it would be hard to make, they've done it GT5P already.

 

[Biggles]

You don't make a game last longer by forcing people to progress slowly. You make it last longer by making it fun. Do away with all the restrictions, let me go race online, and the replayability will go through the roof.

Exactly. Racing games have longevity when the driving experience is rewarding & fun. At the minute this this mostly provided by the online. If GT5 featured better AI & better game structure the offline gameplay would also be rewarding & fun. This is the major complaint against GT5 on the part of the professional reviewers, & they are perfectly correct.

 

[chris78cpr]

I'd love to see a feature like in the new Black Ops Game in which you can set up an online game and wager a bet on it. Such as cash/XP or even cars. It would bring a real element of careful choice and confidence in your driving/skill. It would only be a good idea if there was a feature to restrict cars to either set HP's or maybe just to their stock form so it's about driving skill.

I can see myself getting bored of leveling up in this game. It's a great game but it feel tedious after 6 days of owning it. I'm already going back to playing COD and also F1. Roll on next Friday too when the new Donkey Kong comes out on the wii! lol

 

[RustyNut]

I'd love to see a feature like in the new Black Ops Game in which you can set up an online game and wager a bet on it. Such as cash/XP or even cars. It would bring a real element of careful choice and confidence in your driving/skill. It would only be a good idea if there was a feature to restrict cars to either set HP's or maybe just to their stock form so it's about driving skill.

I can see myself getting bored of leveling up in this game. It's a great game but it feel tedious after 6 days of owning it. I'm already going back to playing COD and also F1. Roll on next Friday too when the new Donkey Kong comes out on the wii! lol

Yeah, I'm lvl 21 and bored as hell, luckily I haven't played online yet so I'll have something to look forward to tonight.

 

[Stigsblkcousin]

Hmmm...Seem like some of you are wanting to turn this into the COD of racers.(light on single player, multi player dependent)


NO.


IMO, of course.

No, I don't mind doing the same events over and over, you know why? As crazy as this may sound I actually enjoy driving. Running a few hot laps after work can be rather relaxing, why not make money while I wind down?

 

[chris78cpr]

Hmmm...Seem like some of you are wanting to turn this into the COD of racers.(light on single player, multi player dependent)


NO.


IMO, of course.

No, I don't mind doing the same events over and over, you know why? As crazy as this may sound I actually enjoy driving. Running a few hot laps after work can be rather relaxing, why not make money while I wind down?

Don't want to turn it into COD racers at all. Just thinking that if they are going to make us level up RPG style then surely if they want to involve us all in the online aspect of the game providing an option to gamble our money/cars/XP would bring in a real fun and challenging aspect to the game.

 

[MowTin]

I'm sorry but I'm glad to see a game that is actually challenging. I remember the other day complaining about how games today have no challenge with all the save games and continues and now even health regeneration.

Remember the days when you only had a few lives to finish an entire game. You got a few bonus lives along the way but if you ran out of lives on the last level fighting the last boss that was it for you. You had to go and start all over again from the beginning.

Remember, how angry you got when you died and had to start again from the beginning? But also remember how tense and exciting it was fighting the last boss with only one life left? Or how excited you were to finally beat the game?

No one is forcing you to do the same event over and over again. It's because you are so impatient that you decided to find the easiest event and grind the hell out of it to level up and get points QUICKER.

Wouldn't it be better if you took a deep breath and just kept racing various events with different cars and getting better and better lap times?

And maybe when the online portion is available you could level up by doing well in online races?

Maybe some people need to move on to Forza where you can rewind any time you make a mistake in a race and still win. And you get a free new car just about after every race. And where you don't have to worry about spinning out because the game makes micro steering adjustments for you.

I guess I'm just an old school gamer. Back in my day games were so hard you got callouses on your fingers trying to beat them....and gosh darn it we liked it that way.

Now man up!

 

[RustyNut]

I'm sorry but I'm glad to see a game that is actually challenging. I remember the other day complaining about how games today have no challenge with all the save games and continues and now even health regeneration.

Remember the days when you only had a few lives to finish an entire game. You got a few bonus lives along the way but if you ran out of lives on the last level fighting the last boss that was it for you. You had to go and start all over again from the beginning.

Remember, how angry you got when you died and had to start again from the beginning? But also remember how tense and exciting it was fighting the last boss with only one life left? Or how excited you were to finally beat the game?

No one is forcing you to do the same event over and over again. It's because you are so impatient that you decided to find the easiest event and grind the hell out of it to level up and get points QUICKER.

Wouldn't it be better if you took a deep breath and just kept racing various events with different cars and getting better and better lap times?

And maybe when the online portion is available you could level up by doing well in online races?

Maybe some people need to move on to Forza where you can rewind any time you make a mistake in a race and still win. And you get a free new car just about after every race. And where you don't have to worry about spinning out because the game makes micro steering adjustments for you.

I guess I'm just an old school gamer. Back in my day games were so hard you got callouses on your fingers trying to beat them....and gosh darn it we liked it that way.

Now man up!

The game is monotonous. The only challenge monotony provides is dealing with boredom. That's not the kind of challenge I'm interested in when playing a game.

 

[Joey D]

I think some people have challenge mixed up with ridiculous. I'm all for having a challenging game, which would be very easy to do in any racing game by setting certain criteria for racing events. Certain cars, limiting tire choice, limiting driving aid choice and the like is a perfect way to add challenge to the game with out going into the ridiculous territory of doing a mindless 3 lap race with a stupidly high powered car over and over again to get credits and experience.

By offering more events, with a greater variety of criteria you are setting a challenge for people and thus making an enjoyable, long lasting game. No, I don't want to blow through a game in 10 hours like a lot of FPS but I also don't want to keep doing the same thing every 5 minutes to eek out a few credits and XP so I can go on to a race series that might last me an hour.

Either the in game economy and XP system need to be revamped, more events need to be added, or a race event creator need to be added in order to get away from the ridiculous grinding.

 

[happycorey]

If I could race a series of events and win a heafty another of credits I would be fine with it. I'm playing to unlock the best cash cow to be able to pay for the cars I want to own, not necessarily beating the game but just having fun.. I can't do that if I have to spend 6 hours getting 500k in credits to blow in 10 minutes (if I can even find the cars I want to buy in the used lot)

Award half credits for every point in drifting (and round up or down to the final number is it's half) and I'll be happy

 

[kreichs]

I'm sorry but I'm glad to see a game that is actually challenging. I remember the other day complaining about how games today have no challenge with all the save games and continues and now even health regeneration.

Remember the days when you only had a few lives to finish an entire game. You got a few bonus lives along the way but if you ran out of lives on the last level fighting the last boss that was it for you. You had to go and start all over again from the beginning.

Remember, how angry you got when you died and had to start again from the beginning? But also remember how tense and exciting it was fighting the last boss with only one life left? Or how excited you were to finally beat the game?

No one is forcing you to do the same event over and over again. It's because you are so impatient that you decided to find the easiest event and grind the hell out of it to level up and get points QUICKER.

Wouldn't it be better if you took a deep breath and just kept racing various events with different cars and getting better and better lap times?

And maybe when the online portion is available you could level up by doing well in online races?

Maybe some people need to move on to Forza where you can rewind any time you make a mistake in a race and still win. And you get a free new car just about after every race. And where you don't have to worry about spinning out because the game makes micro steering adjustments for you.

I guess I'm just an old school gamer. Back in my day games were so hard you got callouses on your fingers trying to beat them....and gosh darn it we liked it that way.

Now man up!

Exactly! I was waiting for someone to say it.
I am a old school gamer as well. I remember those Mega Man days... I also remember Gran Turismo always being a grind. What's the difference? OK a level system. I am actaully affraid to level up too much or complete the game too fast. I want to enjoy it.

 

[zdawood89]

One thing I like doing is using different cars.
And then once I get a car I like more than the others, I take away HP little by little, it just adds to the depth of the races.
Takes away a bit of the grind.

Also, at first I thought the more closely competitive your car is to rest of the pack, the more experience you get. But sadly, its not.
This would have been a great way to implement the A-spec points system from GT4.

 

[TJ31]

I'm ok with grinding in GT5. I'm not in rush to get level 40 asap also.
Max level that are needed for car is 30 i suppose ( for X1 event ) and that's not THAT long, at least for me. Especially if remember how long i've played to GT2/3/4... it was months in real life and years in game. I was farming money to buy more cars, i've just played the game.
Also as an old nerd who really enjoying grinding in mmorpgs and a fan on GT... why not... I've grinded 3 levels in one mmo for about 3 months once, compared to that GT5 is a way too easy. >.<

But i agree, online races should be giving exp as well. Maybe in 2 or 3 patches... =)

 

[Devedander]

Remember, how angry you got when you died and had to start again from the beginning? But also remember how tense and exciting it was fighting the last boss with only one life left? Or how excited you were to finally beat the game?

Yes that's challenging your skill. Now imagine if instead of being hard, Contra had just repeated a few levels you already stomped your way through MANY MANY times over and in order to get to the last level you had to beat those levels you had already beaten over and over until randomly the game let you move onto the last level.... that's what trying to get a certain car to enter and event is like...

No one is forcing you to do the same event over and over again. It's because you are so impatient that you decided to find the easiest event and grind the hell out of it to level up and get points QUICKER.

Actually it's entirely forcing you to do just that... there is a point at which you have to just grind events over and over to get the huge number of XP needed to move up to new levels... that and when you need money to buy a certain car to enter a certain event guess what the only way to do that is? Grind those events you have already beaten over and over again.

Wouldn't it be better if you took a deep breath and just kept racing various events with different cars and getting better and better lap times?

If there were more events it would! But when there are less than 50 total and at any given time one or two will be the only ones that make sense doing as you work your way towards a new level/car it's not really an option is it? Unless you want to go back and do a variety only to realize when that car you need is in the used car lot you don't have the Cr to buy it because instead of grinding the high Cr races you went and had some variety... guess what? Time to grind those events for who knows how long again!

And maybe when the online portion is available you could level up by doing well in online races?

And maybe if they put in more events it won't be a problem, or if they patch the economy to be feasible and the leveling t be rasonable... and maybe this and that... problem with maybe is... it's maybe.

Maybe some people need to move on to Forza where you can rewind any time you make a mistake in a race and still win.

Yes because that has anything to do with anything since people are not having any problem winning events, it's the fact you have to win them OVER and OVER to get the Cr and Levels needed to move forward... it's important to put in a backhanded insult involving Forza though isn't it?

And you get a free new car just about after every race.

As long as it's not just a crappier version of the same car you just bought to enter the race in the first place.

And where you don't have to worry about spinning out because the game makes micro steering adjustments for you.

Right... have you ever played Forza? It's far from spin proof...

I guess I'm just an old school gamer. Back in my day games were so hard you got callouses on your fingers trying to beat them....and gosh darn it we liked it that way.

Now man up!

Hard? Hell yeah! I love and miss hard! Repetative and artificially stretched out? No... never liked that...

As for manning up, when someone tells you they don't like watching paint dry, do you tell them to man up too? It's not challenge that's the problem, it's the long boring grind between challenge people are talking about.

 

[Giygas]

I was sort of expecting a game similar in length to Gt4, but i guess that wasnt the case.

I think even Gt3 was longer since it did more with what it had instead of having over 1000 cars and 1/9 that number in events.

 

[xSNAKEx]

so what is the easiest way to make money at around lvl20?

 

[razalom]

I am only up to level 10 and have found I am grinding to a halt to some extent, all the races left to do are classic races and I can't find a classic car to race with? So i just have to keep churning the days over till one appears. Stupid.

Thats exactly where I am at but I am level 11. All events left available I cant find a car to actually race them. Was thinking I was doing something wrong to begin with. Love the online and playing that heaps with friends but really want exp and $$$ for racing them.

 

[FuriousDemon]

I don't care much for grinding. Even if I race the same track/event I just try to beat my fastest lap time and I enjoyt it! Actually every night before I go to bed I take a new car in arcade and run 5-10 laps on the High Speed Ring to see how fast I can go. So far 59.4 sec in Zonda.

 

[danjama]

When I went into the Practice mode & saw the "One Make" race option I kinda hoped beyond hope that it would offer money & experience because that would really have helped the grind if I could have held my own races with whatever car I wanted on whichever track I wanted. Maybe instead of one make set up your own field and if you had a lower powered car and you won you'd get more experience or whatever. Bah.. yeah, the grind isn't as fun this time because the pay off/reward is severely diminished in GT5.

Yeah! And they don't even make up for that by offering money and xp online!

What are we supposed to do?

 

[Falango]

If you feel like you are grinding out races, try some different cars. Challenge yourself and race some underpowered cars against tougher competition. Have some fun with it.

 

[Stigsblkcousin]

If you feel like you are grinding out races, try some different cars. Challenge yourself and race some underpowered cars against tougher competition. Have some fun with it.

<brat>BUT I want the Bugatti NOW!!!</brat>

 

[turbomp301]

I'm sorry but I'm glad to see a game that is actually challenging. I remember the other day complaining about how games today have no challenge with all the save games and continues and now even health regeneration.

Remember the days when you only had a few lives to finish an entire game. You got a few bonus lives along the way but if you ran out of lives on the last level fighting the last boss that was it for you. You had to go and start all over again from the beginning.

Remember, how angry you got when you died and had to start again from the beginning? But also remember how tense and exciting it was fighting the last boss with only one life left? Or how excited you were to finally beat the game?

No one is forcing you to do the same event over and over again. It's because you are so impatient that you decided to find the easiest event and grind the hell out of it to level up and get points QUICKER.

Wouldn't it be better if you took a deep breath and just kept racing various events with different cars and getting better and better lap times?

And maybe when the online portion is available you could level up by doing well in online races?

Maybe some people need to move on to Forza where you can rewind any time you make a mistake in a race and still win. And you get a free new car just about after every race. And where you don't have to worry about spinning out because the game makes micro steering adjustments for you.

I guess I'm just an old school gamer. Back in my day games were so hard you got callouses on your fingers trying to beat them....and gosh darn it we liked it that way.

Now man up!

I remember old games having cheat codes as well. This would solve all the issues I currently have with the game.

 

[Falango]

<brat>BUT I want the Bugatti NOW!!!</brat>

Earn it. I like going through all the races and having to redo some to gain that sense of accomplishment when I get what I want. My goal is the X1 obviously, and ultimately, 100%, all 1038 cars (I have the CE), and all golds in every challenge (already have 60 license golds). It'll take a while, and that will take alot of re racing old championships, but I'm looking forward to it.

 

[Exorcet]

Earn it. I like going through all the races and having to redo some to gain that sense of accomplishment when I get what I want. My goal is the X1 obviously, and ultimately, 100%, all 1038 cars (I have the CE), and all golds in every challenge (already have 60 license golds). It'll take a while, and that will take alot of re racing old championships, but I'm looking forward to it.

Great, then do it. But also let everyone else have their fun. By your logic, I should be able to force you to play a version of the game with everything unlocked because I disagree with you. That's ridiculous.

 

[Pesmerga7551]

If you feel like you are grinding out races, try some different cars. Challenge yourself and race some underpowered cars against tougher competition. Have some fun with it.

Slow cars eventually become boring. The only fun that becomes grinding is doing the lap as fast as possible with the most dangerous car I have. Now if you can give the AI any car for the race, I'd be down for that. But yea, driving a 200hp car just to be on their level isn't fun. Tracks aren't hard going that slow (for me anyways). Need speed!

 

[Devedander]

If you feel like you are grinding out races, try some different cars. Challenge yourself and race some underpowered cars against tougher competition. Have some fun with it.

That is kind of counter the point of grinding espeically if you are grinding to get enough Cr to buy a used car... you don't want to risk losing a race and getting no Cr only to see the used car come and go from the lot and realize that in "having more fun" you just forced yourself to have to wait who knows how long to even see that car again.