The Grind is Getting Me Down Man

[LaBounti]

Demons Souls is not that hard................................. it requires you to pay close attention to the combat system, every swing, count swing, movement, and environment. it punished mistakes, great game. Also had some of the best weapon upgrade system and level design I have seen.

Demon's Souls is by definition, hard or challenging.

Sorry if I confused anyone but no one said grinding was challenging... just not fun.

The First Mega Man is only fun when you are not dieing, And I don't see how a frustrating moment can be fun. MM2 is fun until you have to do Flash mans level . But most challenging games are fun when you learn it and know it like DS.

Well we are all just bitching about this games leveling system, myself included. Maybe we should be productive and think of things that make redoing races over and over again fun. Lately, when I'm really ahead of the AI, I'll hit my ebrake in a corner and do a 360 and then take off, do it over and over again until the AI catches up. Kind of entertaining...not really tho.

After many hours of passing days I finally got the Supra RZ and did the Japan 90's race with it again. Sure the AI is slow but its just fun to drive and see it with its killer metallic blue paint job

 

[Perfectionist]

I guess I'll have to disagree on this... I actually find games that are very challenging to be a lot of fun. I love a challenge, and not just for the feeling of achieving something when I finally beat it. I just love being challenged, that's all.

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I agree 110% here. Being challenged is fun, but the challenge has to come from the right things like in Demon's Souls or ArmA series. Realism is a great method of achieving this, even if it means compromises in the gameplay section. However, things like cheating A.I. or bad design (grind) aren't a way to accomplish this...

 

[SleazyBig slim]

In the end GT5 is what you make of it. For me its all about the cars, I work hard in the game to get the cars I want. I'm level 18 so theres plenty of good cars to be had and I'm having fun. Bought the 375k lexis coup the other day, took me two days to tame that beast and get her tuned just right, I enjoyed doing races over again with that car to compare my lap times and so forth, now she's perfect, time to move on to my next car project. I'm thinking SLS or F40, decisions decisions If you're just skimming through the game and not actually investing time into the cars you're going to get bored fast and will hate grinding. I'm having no issues. As long as I can make $$$ to mod my cars I could care less.

 

[singh-5abi]

just dont see the point of having cars worth 20 mil, also the level up take too bloody long.

 

[DaveS1138]

I understand this is a racing game and the whole point is to race cars. What I don't understand is why I can't buy, race and tune this cars I want to without needless grinding for credits in one event. Doing the supercar race at Daytona is super boring but I need to keep doing it so I can buy the cars I want in order to do races I enjoy. It's almost like I'm punished for buying and tuning low end cars that I like.

GT4 was really good in how it delivered credits, I don't get why they changed it.

The game has only been out for one week.........and your complaining that you dont have every car in the game unlocked and every event open to you yet.

I dont understand people wanting everything to be finished in the first week.

 

[AngloAmerican]

That's about the size of it although B-spec races don't count towards A-Spec and after just having to repeat a level 10 B-spec race to get to level 11 and unlock more professional B-spec races I have a feeling that will also be a grind.

B Spec doesn't count towards A Spec? I always assumed it would. So its totally seperate to A Spec in every way?.

Im only at level 14 and have a looooooooong ways to go until i reach level 40. That is assuming 40 is the highest??. I thought i read that someplace on here before the game came out.

AA

 

[plastik2k10]

At first I didn't get why people were complaining about slow levelling, but I have plenty of free time to play this game, and it's still taking stupid amounts of time to do anything. I mean, I'd like to drive the Red Bull X1 prototype for fun, but that requires level 30 I believe. I can safely say therefore, that I will most likely NEVER drive that car.

 

[RustyNut]

The game has only been out for one week.........and your complaining that you dont have every car in the game unlocked and every event open to you yet.

I dont understand people wanting everything to be finished in the first week.

Have you even played the game? You do realize there's only a week's worth of content in the game that's being extended out to months by this asinine leveling system don't you? It's not like we want the game easy, I know I don't and I'd imagine most others don't either, we want the game to be ENJOYABLE.

 

[Joey D]

The game has only been out for one week.........and your complaining that you dont have every car in the game unlocked and every event open to you yet.

I dont understand people wanting everything to be finished in the first week.

How did you gather that from my statement? I don't want everything unlocked right away, I want the credit system to make more sense so I can buy and race cars I enjoy to gain levels and content. Doing a boring supercar race at Daytona to get money is just awful.

 

[Codename6]

At first I didn't get why people were complaining about slow levelling, but I have plenty of free time to play this game, and it's still taking stupid amounts of time to do anything. I mean, I'd like to drive the Red Bull X1 prototype for fun, but that requires level 30 I believe. I can safely say therefore, that I will most likely NEVER drive that car.

Hah I know how you feel. Just like I'll probably never own any of the 10 to 20 million dollar race cars. That's way too much grinding through what little events we have in the game. At least Forza gave you the ability to sell liveries, cars, paints to the community to cover some of the cost of these expensive cars.

EDIT: Is there a way to unlock cars to use in Arcade mode without purchasing and marking them as favorites?

 

[Amused2Death66]

Have you even played the game? You do realize there's only a week's worth of content in the game that's being extended out to months by this asinine leveling system don't you? It's not like we want the game easy, I know I don't and I'd imagine most others don't either, we want the game to be ENJOYABLE.

Yes agreed.

People don't seem to get that we don't want the game OVER. We just want a sensible amount of events so that we aren't doing a rinse and repeat job again and again. If there were plenty more events then it wouldn't be a grind. A grind to me is artificially lengthening a gaming experience by needless repetition. Sure a racing game is going to be repetitive by its definition, but if there were more events it would enhance the experience.

Its a bit like a publisher saying that a game will give you 80 hrs gameplay providing you replay each level 10 times!

 

[DaveS1138]

How did you gather that from my statement? I don't want everything unlocked right away, I want the credit system to make more sense so I can buy and race cars I enjoy to gain levels and content. Doing a boring supercar race at Daytona to get money is just awful.

My question is why are you finding the races boring?

If you choose a car that can easily win the race just to get the xp and the money then yes absolutely the race will be boring and it will feel like a "grind".

Why not choose a more competative car that makes you work hard for your win. You wont win every race and it will be far from boring. It wont feel like a "grind" anymore.

You can pick an easy car and win 20 out of 20 races and yeah.....Booorrriiinnnggg

Or you can pick a competative car and only win 10 of the 20 races and have fun the way the game is designed to be.

 

[Stephen220378]

B Spec doesn't count towards A Spec? I always assumed it would. So its totally seperate to A Spec in every way?.

Im only at level 14 and have a looooooooong ways to go until i reach level 40. That is assuming 40 is the highest??. I thought i read that someplace on here before the game came out.

AA

Totally separate mate, I'm level 20 A-spec and level 12 B-spec and they have no bearing on each other at all. The events are the same apart from B-spec races are longer and (I think) they have different tyre restrictions.

 

[AngloAmerican]

Totally separate mate, I'm level 20 A-spec and level 12 B-spec and they have no bearing on each other at all. The events are the same apart from B-spec races are longer and (I think) they have different tyre restrictions.

Can you win cars in B Spec and use them in A Spec?. Or do you win them and just use them in B Spec.....like a seperate garage?

Ive hardly used B Spec, so im unsure as to how it works in GT5.

aa

 

[Silent Drifter]

The cars you win in B-spec, you can use in A-spec, as you only have one garage.

 

[realwerewolf]

Demon's Souls is by definition, hard or challenging.

Sorry if I confused anyone but no one said grinding was challenging... just not fun.

The First Mega Man is only fun when you are not dieing, And I don't see how a frustrating moment can be fun. MM2 is fun until you have to do Flash mans level . But most challenging games are fun when you learn it and know it like DS.



After many hours of passing days I finally got the Supra RZ and did the Japan 90's race with it again. Sure the AI is slow but its just fun to drive and see it with its killer metallic blue paint job

Show me a dictionary where there is a definition saying demons souls is hard or challenging....... it is NOT that hard, but, by today's wussy gamer it is where most gameshold your hand and are devoid of any challenge. And i never said it was ot hard, just not that hard, its difficulty is exaggerated because gamers today are spoiled and cant handle a challenge.

 

[Luminis]

Can you win cars in B Spec and use them in A Spec?. Or do you win them and just use them in B Spec.....like a seperate garage?

Ive hardly used B Spec, so im unsure as to how it works in GT5.

aa

The Credits and cars you earn are shared, they go towards your total funds and garage.
However, the XP are seperated.

 

[Stephen220378]

Can you win cars in B Spec and use them in A Spec?. Or do you win them and just use them in B Spec.....like a seperate garage?

Ive hardly used B Spec, so im unsure as to how it works in GT5.

aa

I've never tried to use a B-spec won car in an A-spec race but there's nothing different about how you win them, where they go in your garage or even anything indicating they were won in a B-spec event so I assume you can use them like any other car in A-spec.

 

[AngloAmerican]

The Credits and cars you earn are shared, they go towards your total funds and garage.
However, the XP are seperated.

Thanks for clearing it up 👍

Looks like B Spec may come in handy when ive done all my $$$'s buying all the muscle cars

I really should be saving the money ive made, but true to myself in real life i spend it as soon as ive gotten it.

Thanks again.

AA

 

[Exorcet]

My question is why are you finding the races boring?

If you choose a car that can easily win the race just to get the xp and the money then yes absolutely the race will be boring and it will feel like a "grind".

Why not choose a more competative car that makes you work hard for your win. You wont win every race and it will be far from boring. It wont feel like a "grind" anymore.

You can pick an easy car and win 20 out of 20 races and yeah.....Booorrriiinnnggg

Or you can pick a competative car and only win 10 of the 20 races and have fun the way the game is designed to be.

No one does that because it would take longer to get the grind out of the way. And it would still be boring. You would going in the same circle, only slower. And you would have to do it more times.

I could care less how the game was designed to be, if it was designed to be boring. For me, GT starts when you have enough cars to just race how you want, when you want, without needing to even associate with GT mode.

I'm not trying to get the game over with. I'm trying to get to the beginning. Likewise, those who play mainly for GT mode are trying to race what they want, not what they are forced to race.

 

[Joey D]

My question is why are you finding the races boring?

If you choose a car that can easily win the race just to get the xp and the money then yes absolutely the race will be boring and it will feel like a "grind".

Why not choose a more competative car that makes you work hard for your win. You wont win every race and it will be far from boring. It wont feel like a "grind" anymore.

You can pick an easy car and win 20 out of 20 races and yeah.....Booorrriiinnnggg

Or you can pick a competative car and only win 10 of the 20 races and have fun the way the game is designed to be.

And how do you suggest I fund these different car projects? I'm doing the supercar race at Daytona because it offers the most credit v. time apparently. When I can afford to buy and tune a car I do more interesting races that I actually enjoy doing but it still comes down to needing money for those projects.

It's a grind, there is no way around it. Now if they offered the rewinning of prize cars in a championship race, I'd gladly do various championships with different cars and never have a problem. The XP isn't a grind, the money is.

 

[DaveS1138]

And how do you suggest I fund these different car projects? I'm doing the supercar race at Daytona because it offers the most credit v. time apparently. When I can afford to buy and tune a car I do more interesting races that I actually enjoy doing but it still comes down to needing money for those projects.

It's a grind, there is no way around it. Now if they offered the rewinning of prize cars in a championship race, I'd gladly do various championships with different cars and never have a problem. The XP isn't a grind, the money is.

But that's exactly my point. Your finding it a grind because you are running a race that is no challenge what so ever just to get the money as fast as you can......no wonder you find it boring.

Why not take longer to get there but have fun in the process.

to you GT5 is a grind becasue that is the way you are choosing to play it. There are other ways to play that take longer but are much more fun. It all depends if you view GT5 as a game to enjoy for years or for weeks.

 

[Exorcet]

But that's exactly my point. Your finding it a grind because you are running a race that is no challenge what so ever just to get the money as fast as you can......no wonder you find it boring.

Why not take longer to get there but have fun in the process.

to you GT5 is a grind becasue that is the way you are choosing to play it. There are other ways to play that take longer but are much more fun. It all depends if you view GT5 as a game to enjoy for years or for weeks.

If what you're suggesting was fun, people would probably be doing it. You don't stab someone and then tell them "it's only because you choose to not enjoying being stabbed that you're screaming in agony."

 

[Tornado]

It all depends if you view GT5 as a game to enjoy for years or for weeks.

I enjoyed GT2, GT3 and GT4 for years, and none of them forced me to do the most banal event in the game over and over again to try to get to the point financially where I could enjoy the traditional strengths of the series (car collecting and tuning).

 

[Joey D]

But that's exactly my point. Your finding it a grind because you are running a race that is no challenge what so ever just to get the money as fast as you can......no wonder you find it boring.

Why not take longer to get there but have fun in the process.

to you GT5 is a grind becasue that is the way you are choosing to play it. There are other ways to play that take longer but are much more fun. It all depends if you view GT5 as a game to enjoy for years or for weeks.

You aren't understanding what I am saying.

I am all for racing with a challenge and having fun, but all of that takes credits which need to won by doing some mindless race because it's easy. Once I get some project cars going that I really like then I go off and do races I enjoy to gain XP and improve my driving skill.

You have to grind for money in the game which is really annoying. If I was able to drive every car in arcade mode this wouldn't be a problem, but since I can't then I'm forced to grind away to get a car I really want to drive.

And I, like most people, enjoy previous GT's for a very long time. I've played GT3 and 4 since their releases. Hell I even spent about 8 hours the other day on an all out GT2 fest...and I never play video games that long.

 

[DaveS1138]

I enjoyed GT2, GT3 and GT4 for years, and none of them forced me to do the most banal event in the game over and over again to try to get to the point financially where I could enjoy the traditional strengths of the series (car collecting and tuning).

So your saying that the game is forcing you to do this one race and only this one race before you can continue?

 

[LaBounti]

Show me a dictionary where there is a definition saying demons souls is hard or challenging....... it is NOT that hard, but, by today's wussy gamer it is where most gameshold your hand and are devoid of any challenge. And i never said it was ot hard, just not that hard, its difficulty is exaggerated because gamers today are spoiled and cant handle a challenge.

I don't know what your problem is but I never said it was super hard or even remotely exaggerate anything about the difficulty. Its is difficult by definition is all I said:

dif·fi·cult
   
–adjective
1. not easily or readily done; requiring much labor, skill, or planning to be performed successfully; hard: a difficult job.

 

[Tornado]

So your saying that the game is forcing you to do this one race and only this one race before you can continue?

I'm saying the game is forcing me to do whatever event gets me money the fastest/easiest to actually play it like it is a Gran Turismo game.

 

[Paulski]

I don't know if anyone else mentioned this before, but IMO this could be "fixed" by online events (like we had in GT5P) that earn xp and credits

 

[bambam26]

This a tweet from his twitter account about getting XP and Money from racing online. I used a trasnlator program so the english is not perfect.

I prepare for online [credit and experience value]. I wait a little more. RT @wwr_nitrous: @Kaz_Yamauchi XP and Credits be available online soon?