The Grind is Getting Me Down Man

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It's starting to feel like a JRPG at this point :D I am Level 23 and I need a Formula Gran Turismo to run a Level 23 race. I then learn you need to be Level 24 to buy one and it costs 5 Million - from the Used Car Dealer so you don't know when it will appear! Talk about grinding! Its the same races over and over again until I get 5 Million and Hit Level 24. Where is the fun in that I ask you?

To risk bringing up Forza 3 - remember the grind? You were always given an option of 3 different races to do as you slowly got the money or level you needed. In GT5 its - tough luck buddy - run races you have done in the grind from Level 22 to Level 23 and did before from Level 21 to Level 22!

It's bringing me down man! Like seriously. :D
 
The leveling system is deeply flawed. Sometimes I wonder if anyone in QA even played through the whole game
 
Another reason that there simply aren't enough events in GT5. You are right of course. Each new level brings just 1 or sometimes 2 new events.

Now people will realise why I moan about GT5 have 45 events compared to Forza 3's 220 events!
 
yeah it put's the brakes (no pun intended) on your progress through the career. They throttle (intended this time) you just as you get into the 20's and from then its a massive grind. There is Japanese Game Design and there is Good Game Design.
 
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yeah it put's the brakes (no pun intended) on your progress through the career. They throttle (intended this time) you just as you get into the 20's and from then its a massive grind. There is Japanese Game Design and there is Good Game Design.
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True. I played final fantasy xiii. The grind was ****ing awful in that game
 
PD hopefully will give us more events, eg more special events with high XP and Cr through DLC.

I'm stuck on level 26, may have to do Grand Valley lv 25 again just for the big XP =(
 
When I went into the Practice mode & saw the "One Make" race option I kinda hoped beyond hope that it would offer money & experience because that would really have helped the grind if I could have held my own races with whatever car I wanted on whichever track I wanted. Maybe instead of one make set up your own field and if you had a lower powered car and you won you'd get more experience or whatever. Bah.. yeah, the grind isn't as fun this time because the pay off/reward is severely diminished in GT5.
 
This is beginning to sound less like a driving game, and more like an RPG. Generally, RPG qualities are a good thing, but it sounds like the way levels and experience are implemented have made many people frustrated. Maybe a few tweaks in the future will smooth things out. Maybe.

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It's not so much the leveling as the economy.

Everything is just balls expensive with little payoff. You can put almost a million credits into a used car to repair the engine and the chassis and tune it, only to have its sell value be 5,000cr. It's asinine.

On older GT's the reward cars were actually good ones that you can use. In GT5 the reward cars are little more than crappy versions of the car you had to have to even enter the race you won it in, so you are left with duplicates, that aren't even worth selling because they are worth so little.
 
I knew leveling was going to be absolutely dreadful, but everyone was like "no it'll be super kawaii cool, desu desu desu".

I'm getiting sick of game designers constantly adding pointless time consuming crap to games to extend playtime. I'm probably not going to get 100% on this game unlike everyother GT I've played simply because it takes way too long, I don't have the time to grind nor the will.
 
RustyNut
I knew leveling was going to be absolutely dreadful, but everyone was like "no it'll be super kawaii cool, desu desu desu".

I'm getiting sick of game designers constantly adding pointless time consuming crap to games to extend playtime. I'm probably not going to get 100% on this game unlike everyother GT I've played simply because it takes way too long, I don't have the time to grind nor the will.
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For me its not the TIME played that is the problem, its the PLAYING THE SAME EVENTS OVER AND OVER that is the problem. I could quite happily grind all year long if there were enough events to do so!
 
I have lost some motivation for sure... Now spending time mucking about with friends in the online lobby. I just got to level 23, though getting from 23 - 24, then to 25 will be annoying as hell.
 
This leveling system reminds me awful alot the one in DiRT2, only lamer with absolutley no replay value.
 
PD needs to bring in Matchmaking so we can earn money and XP online ASAP. 👎
 
I think the only way to fix this joke of a system is to give out xp and cash for online races. It's just too boring doing 5 laps of Indy over and over and over and over for 4000xp and 70 000cr 👎
 
I just want to be able to race the best cars on the best tracks but I'm not allowed. I'm in it for the cars and the driving, I'm not big on the whole "game" aspect.

It is definitely getting frustrating but a lap of the Nordschleife in the GT-R or LFA always reminds me why I'm putting so much time into it. There is nothing better
 
Do online races give you XP?

I can tell from the news that they don't give money so I'm thinking they won't give XP either. If they don't, they should. It would seriously help the grinding.
 
I am in the game for the driving, if they ask me to do more driving to level up then that really isn't punishment imo. If I have to do the same events over again not a big deal to me.
 
Dravonic
Do online races give you XP?

I can tell from the news that they don't give money so I'm thinking they won't give XP either. If they don't, they should. It would seriously help the grinding.
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No, they don't. At least not yet.

The manual for the game says there's a "Matchmaking" mode where money can be earned, but it's not in yet. So hopefully, we will see it in an update in the near future.
 
This is why Japanese developers have fallen so far behind western ones with the majority of western gamers; they are stuck in the past where the difficulty was often implemented in the form of grinding. Western games largely offer choice and there's nothing wrong with that.
 
Amused2Death66
Another reason that there simply aren't enough events in GT5. You are right of course. Each new level brings just 1 or sometimes 2 new events.

Now people will realise why I moan about GT5 have 45 events compared to Forza 3's 220 events!
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I've been saying this since day one. GT5's events are pathetic, their is hardly any game in this. It isn't hard to mash different tracks together to make a race weekend. That takes little coding, and to think PD gave us to little is just sad. The leveling system is bad. You finish all the races and most of the events with Gold, but yet you have to grind for hours just to get to the next level for 1, maybe 2 more races. How about I do what I want? What is the point of licenses if you limit every god damn thing in the game. You can't buy this car till a level, you can't find 90% of the cars cause used lot sucks, you can't race here because you don't have an imaginary level. Stupid structure all around. They don't even have one make races anymore. 9 races in each category, why not 15 or something. Or hell, 20-30? It's just putting random money stipulations and picking a track in the end. Not hard!

But yay for doing the same race 10 times in a row because of terrible options. God forbid if you want to do something else, cause those ones don't give you good XP, so you're stuck in that one event.
 
GT5 Sceptic
This is why Japanese developers have fallen so far behind western ones with the majority of western gamers; they are stuck in the past where the difficulty was often implemented in the form of grinding. Western games largely offer choice and there's nothing wrong with that.
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To me, it only seems as they implemented both the leveling system and grinding to make Career Mode last longer. Can't think of anything else, really.
 
GT5 Sceptic
This is why Japanese developers have fallen so far behind western ones with the majority of western gamers; they are stuck in the past where the difficulty was often implemented in the form of grinding. Western games largely offer choice and there's nothing wrong with that.
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GT was never about grinding. They never had levels before. You just get a license and go race in that. Some one should go tell PD that Final Fantasy 13 sucked and we just want to race. It's like they are falling into idiocracy now. Whiole grind is great in a JRPG, this is a racing game! Grind money for a better car? Sure. But grind levels cause you want to make the game last longer? Terrible. Makes the game stale much faster if you're bored out of our mind.
 
GT5 Sceptic
This is why Japanese developers have fallen so far behind western ones with the majority of western gamers; they are stuck in the past where the difficulty was often implemented in the form of grinding. Western games largely offer choice and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Wise words.

Kaz made a game that he would like to play, that's pretty obvious, and there's nothing wrong with that really but he should have known his market better. GT is very very popular in the Western world and I'm sure the majority of their sales comes from us, it's stupid from a business perspective to take a winning package in the West, the GT series, and add elements of Japanese games into it. It makes no sense, we're not interested in their crappy contrived skinner box, their marketing team/development should know this and if they don't they're dummies.
 
GT5 Sceptic
This is why Japanese developers have fallen so far behind western ones with the majority of western gamers; they are stuck in the past where the difficulty was often implemented in the form of grinding. Western games largely offer choice and there's nothing wrong with that.
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haha like western developed MMORPG's like WOW where grinding is its true meaning? 👍

i dont like the grind either, but I can understand what Kaz is on about. his repeatedly said that he wants you to earn and really feel you own the car. I agree with that statement, grinding many hours to finally get a 4.5 million car etc is truly satisfying, so is driving it carefully and hoping not to scratch it and get a 500K rigidity bill. thats what its about. GT5 is meant to be a very long game, years. not a 1 week i got every car, share it with everyone, share my save file for every car in every colour and just be hooligans online.

your suppose to enjoy it. the game is not meant for you to sit down 20 hours a day driving. go out, go to work, come home, spend 2 hours driving, leave it on b spec (when gt anywhere comes). etc. i just feel the a lot of people here are just sitting down for 18 hours grinding going "man this is boring," well duh!

anyway, thats my view, i respect yours, but i dont think any game you spend many hours in one go is fun. take it a few hours at a time/per day. invest in the long run. GT5 is suppose to keep us until GT6, which is like another 6 years. you'll hit lvl 40 by then!
 

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