The Historic 'C' Class Race Series - Race Five @ Le Sarthe! RESULTS POSTED!

[Tyre King]

The Le Mans Endurance Event@ Le Sarthe I​

Welcome to the place where the cars of this series come to life, and breathe the fire in their bellies out of their tailpipes!

First, allow me to apologise for the delayed start to this round, it was caused by circumstances beyond my control, and I will try not to let it happen again!

This is a slight departure from the norm where GT Planet racing is involved, and we hope that you will enjoy it more for that fact.
We will not be racing to a specific number of laps, we will however be racing to a time-frame.

Phil and I have wracked our brains to get some sort of correlation between this race and the Le Mans 24hr, and hopefully this will suffice.
You will race until the time allowed expires and then complete the lap you are on, making a note of the lap count!!!!.
The time limit SHOULD give you time to do 23 laps-ish + the final lap ( I know you were looking for the 24 connection somewhere!!!)

You will then save your replay.

The time displayed in the replay screen is the exact time that you crossed the line at the end of your last completed lap.
So, when you send your results it will involve the number of completed laps, and the time that you completed them in.
The highest lap count is the winner, but in the event of a draw, the lowest total time is the clincher.

Example: Driver A does 24 laps total in 1:22’25.234, driver B also does 24 laps but in only 1:22’23.945.

Driver B wins!

All you have to do is to set the number of laps in the race options screen to at LEAST 30 laps, then start the race as normal.
You then race as normal UNTIL the time limit (1 Hour and 20 minutes) runs out, and complete the lap you are on, and exit the race.
This is the time you send to myself, along with the number of laps you completed (including the lap you finished after the time limit expired)

Qualifying settings:
Location : Arcade mode – Time Trial – Le Sarthe I
Tyres: RSS (Qualifying) compound only.
2 Wheels on track at ALL times. (Rumble strips are classed as track)
Use the P/W settings below.

Race Settings:
Location : Arcade Mode - Single Race – Le Sarthe I
AI @ +10 difficulty & Racing Medium tyres
MILD tyre wear - AT LEAST 30 LAPS - Penalties set to: Speed Limiter
Tyres Front : ANY COMPOUND Rear :ANY COMPOUND tyres.
You MAY use miss-matched tyre compounds front and back.
Driving Aids: TCS is optional, ASM is not allowed
Use the P/W settings below

STD Car – Power / Weight Limits – P/W Ratio
Jag : 0% @ 914Hp / -6% @ 840Kg = 1.088 Hp/Kg
R89C : +5% @ 954Hp / +0% @ 900Kg = 1.060 Hp/Kg
R92CP : +2% @ 958Hp / +0% @ 900Kg = 1.064 Hp/Kg
88CV : +0% @ 906Hp / -1% @ 841Kg = 1.077 Hp/Kg
C9 : -2% @ 908Hp / +1% @ 901Kg = 1.008 Hp/Kg
787 : +3% @ 815Hp / +0% @ 830Kg = 0.982 Hp/Kg
905 : +15% @ 918Hp / +0% @ 750Kg = 1.224 Hp/Kg

Adjustments from STD based on performance (specific to driver)
Tyre King = +3 weight
Delfino = +0 weight
Racecar = +2 weight
ERacer = -4 weight
AveryGT = +2 weight
Earth = -1 weight​

General Rules:
Standard OLR Rules apply
Try to keep 2 wheels on track at all times in the race (Rumble strips are classed as track)
No wall contact, no cheating, no hybrids etc, etc
AI contact is allowed, but NO penalties are allowed
Always stay within the 'spirit' of the rules

Track Specific Rules:
ALL TARMACED AREAS ARE ALLOWED

As in the last race (and throughout the series) an occasional off is to be expected in races of this length, and are not a reason for binning a race as long as you do not gain any time from them.

Duration:

Starts: Sunday 16th Sept. Ends: Sunday 7th October @ 23:59.999 GMT
Therefore you have 2 weeks including 2 weekends to complete both qualifying and the race.
Please PM your qualifying / Race time & fastest lap-time for your chosen car to myself (Tyre King) before the deadline. (Format at bottom of page)


Final Words:
You are free, in-fact actively encouraged, to discuss ALL times in qualifying, and you can discuss fastest lap times in the race, just not your final times.
You are also encouraged to give details on tyre-wear, handling, and anything else relating to the cars.

But above all, have fun.

Any problems, just PM either myself or Phil and we will sort it ASAP.

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Let's have at it!
Neil (Tyre King) & Phil (ERacer)

Time sending format:
Name:
Team:
Car:
Hp/Kg settings:
Qualifying time:
Race time:
Number of laps:
Fastest Lap:
Pitting strategy (including lap count) :

 

[Tyre King]

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Well done to Delfino for a fantastic win, and congrat's to all for some VERY close racing over what, it has to be said, is a difficult track and over a very long distance! 👍

Well done guys!

Neil

 

[Tyre King]

OK guys, sorry for the delay, but here is the race thread proper!

You still have 2 weekends to race this in, but 4 days extra also! (14 days instead of 10)

I hope you enjoy yourselves, I also hope that more than the 4 or 5 entries that have appeared over the last few rounds show up for what is, after all, a classic race event!

Neil

 

[ZOOSO]

"1 Hour and 20 minutes" .... .... looking forward to every second of it though Delfino will be doing lots of testing before the race because he's only going out once .

"Any compound front/rear" .... 👍 seems youve already been to Sarthe for some preliminary tests ... ?

 

[Tyre King]

"1 Hour and 20 minutes" .... .... looking forward to every second of it though Delfino will be doing lots of testing before the race because he's only going out once .

"Any compound front/rear" .... 👍 seems youve already been to Sarthe for some preliminary tests ... ?

The 1hr 20 limit and the tyre choice , were a product of many laps, many pit-stops, different tyre compounds, and quite a bit of calculator bashing on my part.
One of the contributing factors in why the thread was delayed, AND why I didn't put any times in for the LMS or the Clio cup, was the testing for this (coupled with the usual family stuff)

So Yeah! I did some testing...

Neil

 

[ZOOSO]

Had to get my calculator out last night .. just the testing is going to take 20 odd laps before deciding what tyre combo to use ... {though i'm 99% sure already}

Led Zeppelin forever ! .. wish i could make it to 02 Arena .. also wish John Bonham was still alive ... Jason Bonham will fill the void i believe .

 

[ERacer]

Had to get my calculator out last night .. just the testing is going to take 20 odd laps before deciding what tyre combo to use ... {though i'm 99% sure already}

Led Zeppelin forever ! .. wish i could make it to 02 Arena .. also wish John Bonham was still alive ... Jason Bonham will fill the void i believe .

Del - the balancing act of slow tire wear vs. fast lap times should make for a very interesting race. Depending upon everyone's car set up you can figure on a total lap count of about 23 - 26 laps.

And I agree about Led Zeppelin! John Bonham, was one of the best - if not the best, and that's coming from a WHO fanatic! Not sure if Jason has the same natural sound within him.

Phil

 

[Tyre King]

Hey you guys! I am one hell of a Led Zeppelin fan, I have all their albums twice! (Both on Vinyl and CD), seen them once live, and would obviously LOVE to see them again!

BUT, have you seen the prices for the tickets?

£377 (approx $750) for the standing at the back tickets, £477 ($950) for standing at the front tickets, and up to £977 ($1950) for a 'super-seat' at the front!

That is, without trying to sound like the poor relation, completely and utterly out of my price range.

Even if travel, accommodation at a 4 star hotel, transfers and food/drink were included, I would still feel like I had just been taken from behind without being given even a kiss first!

Neil

 

[ERacer]

Team EME Racing arrived at Le Mans earlier today. Took advantage of favorable conditions at La Sarthe (dry, sunny, 20°C) for an afternoon test run in the screamin' demon; the Mazda 787B.

Initial best lap times with various tire compounds yielded:

3'18.xxx on RM/RH pitted after 6 laps (3 stopper = 1.5 min total in pits)

3'16.xxx on RS/RM pitted after 4 laps (5 stopper = 2.5 in pits)

3'13.xxx on RSS/RS but pitted after 3 laps (7 stopper = 3.5 in pits)

If you figure each pit stop consumes 30 secs, and the race is projected to be completed in 24 laps, then it would seem the best tire strategy is to go with ........ any of the above tire compounds as the resulting final times would all be the same. Am I right?

ERacer

 

[ZOOSO]

Your 787 gets an extra lap over the C9 ERacer .. but the C9 is about ... ........ a lap faster , though i'm not fiddling around trying to conserve the tyres .

Del has completed one 80 minute race .. and is satisfied with the result .. but he's going back to the track {even though he said he wasnt going to} with a different tyre strategy .

Hey Neil .. agreed , those prices are way over the top but Del would still consider going if given the chance {with a gal to "squeeze my lemon" }

 

[Tyre King]

Well I tell you guys, the extra weight my car's carrying must ALL be over the rear axle.
I can barely get 3 3/4 laps out of hard rears, and 5 3/4 out of super-hards.
Especially in the first stint!

Price I pay for being top of the pops I suppose.

Managed to do some really fast quali laps today, and will post the splits later.

After I try for the 4 lap opener on hard rears again.

Neil

 

[ERacer]

Strange - seems no matter what tire compound I use, the initial tests result in the exact same total times. The time I gain by using softer tires is the exact same amount given right back because I must pit more often.

I did not actually test the different compounds for the full 80 minutes, only until I had to pit, and then I (very) simply forecasted the total times.

It's like a bell curve - just have to figure out the width of the top of the curve for each compound. Anybody have charts? Looks like I need to test for the full 80 mins on different compounds.

... man I love GT4 more and more every race 👍 I really do .........

ERacer

 

[ZOOSO]

Well I tell you guys, the extra weight my car's carrying must ALL be over the rear axle.
I can barely get 3 3/4 laps out of hard rears, and 5 3/4 out of super-hards.
Especially in the first stint!
Price I pay for being top of the pops I suppose.
Managed to do some really fast quali laps today, and will post the splits later.
After I try for the 4 lap opener on hard rears again.
Neil

Lean forward on the steering wheel .. it'll help transfer the weight For Del the tyre life is exactly the same as youv'e described Neil .

Ive worked out what i think the best combo is .. have run a second set of 80 minutes {faster than the 1st ..-40 seconds} and as Del is a racer .. he's going out one final time for another stint ... running my qualifying times afterwards , as it'll get me a better time because i'll be 'tuned' into the track .

PS . lap times with the tyres i'm using vary by roughly 5 seconds {excluding the in/out laps} .. sounds alot but taking into account fuel weight , some slip-streaming and 10/10 driving .. its possible .

 

[ERacer]

Hey Guys,

I'm on RH/RSH which I hardly ever drive on. Feels more realistic than RS/RM.

Would you all say that any tire compund softer than RM could be considered unrealistic as far as what PRO cars would drive on in real life? Seems to me the harder compounds are more true to life.

I had to refuel after 9 laps - but tires are still green! So, I think I'll splash and dash as they say and see how long they'll last. Has to be a 2 stopper due to fuel consumption.

ERacer

 

[Tyre King]

After the first stop, I am fueling EVERY pit-stop. Keeping the tank at 38 Ltrs max, with 1 Ltr left after 4 laps. And that works out VERY well, considering that RH rears only last 3.8 laps before turning to molten messes right in the middle of the Porche curves and Maison Blanche.

Mind you, I can get RM fronts to go all the way to 7-8 laps no problem. So I might consider doing a MAD last stint on RSS fronts with RS rears! That is if the RS rears will last 2 laps?

Fastest lap in-race is in the 3'10-ish area

Neil

 

[ZOOSO]

Your RH/RSH combo is still green after 9 laps !

38 litres .. with 1 to spare on the pitt-stop 👍 exactly what Dels doing .. much prefer running on track with a less than half fuel tank .

Dels done over 100 laps .. and he still wants more

 

[ERacer]

Your RH/RSH combo is still green after 9 laps !

Yes, but laps are slow at 3:20.xxx and even though tires are still green after 9, I feel it's a waste of good tire wear since I have to pit for fuel. I ran another test at RM/RH which synchronized tire wear with fuel consumption and yielded 8 laps before pitting for fresh tires and fuel. But, I had to go easy on the tires - ran a 2 stopper at about 3:17.xxx avg laps.

And I agree - can't get enough of la Sarthe. Might even put on some Zep or Who for the long testing sessions 👍

ERacer

 

[Tyre King]

38 litres .. with 1 to spare on the pitt-stop 👍 exactly what Dels doing .. much prefer running on track with a less than half fuel tank .

Dels done over 100 laps .. and he still wants more

Yes, but laps are slow at 3:20.xxx and even though tires are still green after 9, I feel it's a waste of good tire wear since I have to pit for fuel. I ran another test at RM/RH which synchronized tire wear with fuel consumption and yielded 8 laps before pitting for fresh tires and fuel. But, I had to go easy on the tires - ran a 2 stopper at about 3:17.xxx avg laps.

And I agree - can't get enough of la Sarthe. Might even put on some Zep or Who for the long testing sessions 👍

ERacer

Saturday morning/afternoon, have put a smile on the misses' face (and mine), having a nice shower, a bacon buttie & coffee, kick her out to town for some shopping.
Then........

Led Zeppelin I,II,III on the surround of the PC and 230mph down Mulsanne straights.

Seems like the perfect start to a weekend to me!

And me thinks you need to either go softer on the compounds or much harder on the tyres Phil! 3'20's are not gonna cut it buddy!

Neil

 

[ERacer]

"Led Zeppelin I,II,III on the surround of the PC and 230mph down Mulsanne straights.

Seems like the perfect start to a weekend to me!"
Inspirational Neil

"And me thinks you need to either go softer on the compounds or much harder on the tyres Phil! 3'20's are not gonna cut it buddy!"

True. But if I go softer I have to pit more

I had a brief thought that I may simply have a slow GT4 disk 💡

Did a 2-stopper on RM/RH but at about 3'17 - not good enough either

ERacer

 

[Tyre King]

"And me thinks you need to either go softer on the compounds or much harder on the tyres Phil! 3'20's are not gonna cut it buddy!"

True. But if I go softer I have to pit more

Did a 2-stopper on RM/RH but at about 3'17 - not good enough either

ERacer

Thing is buddy, if you are running 5-7 seconds slower per lap in a 24 lap race.....you can afford to spend an extra 2'-2'48 in the pits whilst using softer tyres and still be as quick.

Neil

 

[ERacer]

Well, ran one full 80 mins+ test using RS/RM's for all laps and another using RM/RH's for all laps. Even though I had to pit 5 times on RS/RM's and only 3 times on RM/RH's, the softer tires finished 43 sec faster.

Best laps now at 3'15 area. How's everyone else doing? 👍

ERacer

 

[ZOOSO]

Just finished Dels 4th stint of 80 minutes .. roughly 15 seconds faster than the previous .
Slowest lap 3.16.xxx {excludes in/outs} fastest lap 3.11.xxx .. 5 stopper

Going out for more 👍

 

[ERacer]

Just finished Dels 4th stint of 80 minutes .. roughly 15 seconds faster than the previous .
Slowest lap 3.16.xxx {excludes in/outs} fastest lap 3.11.xxx .. 5 stopper

Going out for more 👍

Del, some really fast times there 👍

I'm still struggling to push a better lap than 3.15.xxx and faster speed down the Mulsanne but, even at the highest gearing, looks like the screamin' deamon tops out at 224 mph before I have to brake for the upcoming first chicane.

I'm on RS/RM's the whole race and pitting five times as well. I like the 5-stopper pit strategy a better than driving on RM/RH's and pitting three times because I don't need to take on as much fuel between pits.

ERacer

 

[Tyre King]

Del, some really fast times there 👍

I'm still struggling to push a better lap than 3.15.xxx and faster speed down the Mulsanne but, even at the highest gearing, looks like the screamin' deamon tops out at 224 mph before I have to brake for the upcoming first chicane.

I'm on RS/RM's the whole race and pitting five times as well. I like the 5-stopper pit strategy a better than driving on RM/RH's and pitting three times because I don't need to take on as much fuel between pits.

ERacer

Well, Bugger ME!

He Finally See's the Light!!!!!

Ya know, I've been telling him the same bloody thing for weeks, and he hasn't bloody listened to me............Typical!

Neil

 

[ZOOSO]

Light ? what light ? .. C9 top speed = 230

 

[Tyre King]

Light ? what light ? .. C9 top speed = 230

I have seen a top speed.......on the first lap.........before the second chicane (Playstation Chicane as it's now known) of.........

242 MPH
Mind you, the driver of the Audi must absolutely crap himself as I blast past. Barely missing the left-hand rear quarter @ over 20 MPH more than he is driving!

Std top speed on the Mulsanne straight (in the C9) is around 229-231 depending on the lines you take to avoid the rough stuff.

Neil

 

[ERacer]

Well, Bugger ME!

He Finally See's the Light!!!!!

Ya know, I've been telling him the same bloody thing for weeks, and he hasn't bloody listened to me............Typical!

Neil

....... and it took me only 3 weeks

 

[ZOOSO]

Del has decided to take his spare car , the 88CV for one single stint on Sarthe .

Not sure if the race director will take notice .. but he's doing it anyway .

 

[Tyre King]

Omnipitance is a curse, but he notices all!

Neil

 

[Tyre King]

Time to start getting your final runs in guys!

Deadline's tomorrow!👍

Neil