The " I want a livery editor" thread.

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I saw some of the historic Gtplanet users just +1ing people saying why a livery editor is worth it and why you shouldn't be worry about profanity. I'm gonna do the same since I'm kinda an "historic" user as well. :)

The thing is this discussion is like an infinite loop and I very well understand all those people who consumed their keyboards in favour of a decent livery editor. How many times we heard the "no livery editor because porn" argument and how many times we adressed it? ;)
 
I can't believe all this talk about a livery editor being a bad idea due to offensive and poor designs. Clearly you lot have never played Forza, otherwise you'd realise these liveries never really see the light of day. They're either reported or poorly rated so as to never appear in top rated or most downloaded lists (presuming there's a store front option).

Offensive liveries isn't even a discussion IMO.

I just want to have more stuff to do 'off track'. Otherwise it'll get dull fast. Much like GT5 did.
 
Possibly already been mentioned, but one way would be to make it an offline ONLY editor, so liveries never show on online races and they are never available to publicly download.

That would be better than nothing.

I genuinely think that the obscenity thing isn't really the whole story.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was a Kaz thing. It probably offends his design asthetic sensibilities. Having a load of cars driving around with daft anime characters, band logos and surfer dude slogans etc. would be seen as a crime against humanity when so much time and love has been lavished on the cars. The fact that it would be happening at all to the game, would be unthinkable. I can kind of see that point.
 
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bodger
Possibly already been mentioned, but one way would be to make it an offline ONLY editor, so liveries never show on online races and they are never available to publicly download.

That would be better than nothing.
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But livery editor is expected to be used online, buddy!

About the ratings thingy: I shall explain to all of you, liveries are considered user generated content and the rating boards has insisted that they cannot rate online interactions, which liveries can be considered such.

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"Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB" - Warns those who intend to play the game online about possible exposure to chat (text, audio, video) or other types of user-generated content (e.g., maps, skins) that have not been considered in the ESRB rating assignment
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;)
 
tankuroded
But livery editor is expected to be used online, buddy!
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Yep, I understand that. But, if they were getting uncomfortable about it because of the online obscenities, it would be better than nothing, as I said.

Point about the ratings - yep, but that still doesn't stop PD avoiding it full stop if they think the possibilities of it getting out of hand are too great.
 
Has anyone from PD ever actually said that the lack of livery editor was because of the possibility of obscene content?

Personally I think it's much more fundamental than that - Gran Turismo as a series has always been Kaz's 'fantasy game' - when he created the series he simply set out to create the perfect game for himself, to reflect his love of cars and racing. The lack of livery editor, to me, is simply because Kaz doesn't care about editing liveries. And so has no inclination to include the feature. GT isn't a commercial product so much as an artistic expression, and in that respect it will always be exactly what the creator wants it to be. No more, no less. In the same way it would be nonsensical to go to a Led Zep concert and demand that they include a ten minute jazz flute solo just for you.
 
phonyk
Has anyone from PD ever actually said that the lack of livery editor was because of the possibility of obscene content?

Personally I think it's much more fundamental than that - Gran Turismo as a series has always been Kaz's 'fantasy game' - when he created the series he simply set out to create the perfect game for himself, to reflect his love of cars and racing. The lack of livery editor, to me, is simply because Kaz doesn't care about editing liveries. And so has no inclination to include the feature. GT isn't a commercial product so much as an artistic expression, and in that respect it will always be exactly what the creator wants it to be. No more, no less. In the same way it would be nonsensical to go to a Led Zep concert and demand that they include a ten minute jazz flute solo just for you.
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Unfortunately it sure seems to be that way.
 
Except this is quoted directly from here.

http://eu.gran-turismo.com/gb/products/gt6/online/

An Online Mode developed
in collaboration with our fans
About 1.25 million people joined GT5 online in July 2013. Whether it’s thanks to the Seasonal Events updated regularly every week, or the continuous game updates that add new function to the experience or the release of new content in the form of DLCs, our fans have supported the title constantly from the very beginning. And we learned a lot from them.
In contrast to the offline experience where we provide a scenario that is more about "how we want people to play the game", with the Online Mode it is of paramount importance that we provide the right “instruments” to our users, so that they will be able to enjoy racing online in a friendly environment. Gran Turismo 6 will undergo a major evolution, after having analysed how our fans play and having heard their feedback throughout the years. Major features that could not be added with regular updates in the previous episode will now be offered in GT6 as standard.
Many more functions will be added to the Lobby, the hub of player versus player races: just to name a few, users will have the chance to create and share Race Events amongst them, and the proper community tools will be implemented to support this new feature. These are all improvements that were generated by suggestion and feedback gathered from our online players. Please look forward to the announcement of other online features as we are approaching the release date.
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What could be not of "paramount importance" about providing a livery editor which is the very essence of creating a team identity?
 
SlipZtrEm
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I think everyone here has great points and very valid points. My take on a Forza level livery editor is naturally very pessimistic, and this is all based on the fact that PD has no plans as of now to implement one. If it ever does make it in, I wouldn't be trying to pound on it in the forums.

I just want to clarify that I am not saying "livery editor = penis cars", but rather the implementation of such a feature will open the flood gates and you will see all kinds of good and bad stuff. I'm sure penis cars and pin up cars will take up only a fraction of the entire livery marketplace, but personally (!) even a 4:1 of good-to-ugly liveries will make my experience sour.

I'm totally aware of the fact people do stupid stuff to their cars already in GT5 in regards to chrome paint and weird wheels.

I just want to lay out some examples to give people some context so it isn't just a case of pooping on your party:

Counter-Strike Global Offensive implemented gun paint designs at one point and one of the first things that I see is a bright ass purple AWP with lightning on it. It actually made me go what the 🤬. And then there's another gun with Hot Topic skulls all over it. Believe it or not, it does ruin immersion despite the fact CS is a very arcadey and unrealistic game.

Call of Duty, I don't play that stuff but I know they're selling actual Hello Kitty-esque gun pack. Enough said.

Now here's the most important example that is so ridiculous that actually killed the game and made plenty of people uninstall. Team Fortress 2. In the first year or so, there have been really awesome designs for TF2 hats and items (equivalent of really good racing liveries we would love to see in GT). A few years pass and now we have the dumbest looking 🤬 ever imaginable, which makes up for most players wear in the servers. At its current state, these hats and stuff really killed the game even if there are some really well made items too.

I fear that the open endedness of a livery editor could drag the game down. You could have a grid with 75% really great liveries but those 3 assholes that decided to bring pony cars into the game would upset me just like that. Considering the incompetence of PD, I doubt you can turn it off client-side.

But then again this is just a pessimistic view, opinion for a poll vote because the idea is still up in the air for speculation. If it ever gets implemented for real, I'm all game.
 
I have been cleaning my laptop out and sorting files out etc and came across a photo that came out before gt5 and has been posted on here a few times since as a few of you will recall.

I deleted the photo and cant find it on google but it was a photo of kaz pointing out plans for gt5 which included a livery editor as well as clubs and a team builder and also the ability to change number plates, So its odd that gt6 should come with no editor
 
All we need is an OFF option for the people not mature enough to handle seeing stuff they don't like. Seriously people, some of you need to grow up. I don't want to see obscene content either, but that's why it's been suggested that we have a report function and an off function. For people with children or maturity problems you can choose OFF. But please don't come on here commenting how some certain designs that don't exactly pertain to racing will ruin the immersion. There are plenty of REAL world race cars with designs that have nothing to do with racing. You don't hear the racers, organizations, or fans complaining. If they do it's very little and obviously hasn't had any real affect.
 
Anonanon
I think everyone here has great points and very valid points. My take on a Forza level livery editor is naturally very pessimistic, and this is all based on the fact that PD has no plans as of now to implement one. If it ever does make it in, I wouldn't be trying to pound on it in the forums.

I just want to clarify that I am not saying "livery editor = penis cars", but rather the implementation of such a feature will open the flood gates and you will see all kinds of good and bad stuff. I'm sure penis cars and pin up cars will take up only a fraction of the entire livery marketplace, but personally (!) even a 4:1 of good-to-ugly liveries will make my experience sour.

I'm totally aware of the fact people do stupid stuff to their cars already in GT5 in regards to chrome paint and weird wheels.

I just want to lay out some examples to give people some context so it isn't just a case of pooping on your party:

Counter-Strike Global Offensive implemented gun paint designs at one point and one of the first things that I see is a bright ass purple AWP with lightning on it. It actually made me go what the 🤬. And then there's another gun with Hot Topic skulls all over it. Believe it or not, it does ruin immersion despite the fact CS is a very arcadey and unrealistic game.

Call of Duty, I don't play that stuff but I know they're selling actual Hello Kitty-esque gun pack. Enough said.

Now here's the most important example that is so ridiculous that actually killed the game and made plenty of people uninstall. Team Fortress 2. In the first year or so, there have been really awesome designs for TF2 hats and items (equivalent of really good racing liveries we would love to see in GT). A few years pass and now we have the dumbest looking 🤬 ever imaginable, which makes up for most players wear in the servers. At its current state, these hats and stuff really killed the game even if there are some really well made items too.

I fear that the open endedness of a livery editor could drag the game down. You could have a grid with 75% really great liveries but those 3 assholes that decided to bring pony cars into the game would upset me just like that. Considering the incompetence of PD, I doubt you can turn it off client-side.

But then again this is just a pessimistic view, opinion for a poll vote because the idea is still up in the air for speculation. If it ever gets implemented for real, I'm all game.
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Even though I still hold out a lot of hope for a livery editor, I simply cannot help but agree. It annoys me when I hop on games like ModNation Racers and see (not to my surprise) two anime Mods and either an anime-ized Nintendo Mod in the Top Mods section, and then their respective Karts in the Top Karts section. I see exactly what you mean, and I am equally annoyed by (for example) MLP and anime themed content in a game that has absolutely nothing to do with either. It's not that I hate this stuff (except for MLP, Bronies are weird), but it's all overused. I still think there should be a livery editor, but make it like the one in Need For Speed.
 
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WWE907
Even though I still hold out a lot of hope for a livery editor, I simply cannot help but agree. It genuinely annoys the living mother-🤬 🤬 out of me when I hop on games like ModNation Racers and see (not to my surprise) two anime *spit* Mods and either an anime-ized Nintendo Mod in the Top Mods section, and then their respective Karts in the Top Karts section. I see exactly what you mean, and I am equally annoyed by (for example) stupid MLP and anime themed content in a game that has absolutely nothing to do with either. I still think there should be a livery editor, but make it like the one in Need For Speed.
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You have got to be kidding me. you are extremely annoyed by what other people like? well i hope you dont like the superGT series then cause goodsmile company made some kickass Hatsune Miku liveries.
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WWE907
Even though I still hold out a lot of hope for a livery editor, I simply cannot help but agree. It genuinely annoys the living mother-🤬 🤬 out of me when I hop on games like ModNation Racers and see (not to my surprise) two anime *spit* Mods and either an anime-ized Nintendo Mod in the Top Mods section, and then their respective Karts in the Top Karts section. I see exactly what you mean, and I am equally annoyed by (for example) stupid MLP and anime themed content in a game that has absolutely nothing to do with either. I still think there should be a livery editor, but make it like the one in Need For Speed.
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Well well:

MockngBrd
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Looks like Real life would like to have a word with you (as would many painters on rFactor/iRacing/Nr2003)

Also, a paint I did:

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Point being: Who the hell are you to tell someone who's paint scheme "doesn't have to do with the game"? You might as well be pissed off at Namco for having Anime skins on Aircraft in a war game. Let people paint what they want to paint. You don't like it, avoid it. Don't push your dislike on other people.
 
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Credit where credit's due, the anime liveries actually show some of the creativity that people have.
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Not everybody wants to make 100% accurate recreations of their favourite race team liveries, and would rather show off their artistic abilities in other areas, whether it's anime, My Little Pony or other video games.

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MockngBrd
what?

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It's a culture thing I think. I appreciate that people love this stuff, but personally, I wouldn't want to race against bizarre anime clad cars.

The best option would be the equivalent of the 'mute' option against each driver for their microphone. Anything I can't stand the look of I just go down the entry list and mute the livery. They could even add it to the same context menu.

Everyone is happy then.
 
You know what, PD could implement a livery filter. If turned on (for the 3 year olds among the GT community), you'd only see base cars racing around. Everyone else would see the custom liveries.

Oh I forgot, PD aren't up to it.
 
FFS, alright, alright. Saw-ree for being biased in my last post in this thread, I even edited so as not to piss anyone off as much as before. I guess I should have said something along the lines of "I think it would be odd if you see a Lamborghini Miura with a Naruto themed livery on it, or something like a My Little Pony themed livery on a Chevrolet Corvette. I see where the people who don't want a livery editor are coming from." But seriously, don't you think some of you posted responses to that with a fanboy-like pace? (this is why I should stay off the Internet).
 
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WWE907
FFS, alright, alright. Saw-ree for being biased in my last post in this thread, I even edited so as not to piss anyone off as much as before. I guess I should have said something along the lines of "I think it would be odd if you see a Lamborghini Miura with a Naruto themed livery on it, or something like a My Little Pony themed livery on a Chevrolet Corvette. I see where the people who don't want a livery editor are coming from." But seriously, don't you think some of you posted responses to that with a fanboy-like pace? (this is why I should stay off the Internet).
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I'm not sure what this adds to the debate really.

gambleboyen
You know what, PD could implement a livery filter. If turned on (for the 3 year olds among the GT community), you'd only see base cars racing around. Everyone else would see the custom liveries.

Oh I forgot, PD aren't up to it.
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It isn't that they aren't up to it, it's that what you are suggesting wouldn't have the desired effect anyway. Anyone can enter any birthday into the system (or play using an adult's account).

Not only that, it's not just the 3 year olds that you need to think about. It's us supposed adults that don't want to suffer this stuff either.
 
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bodger
I genuinely think that the obscenity thing isn't really the whole story.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was a Kaz thing. It probably offends his design asthetic sensibilities. Having a load of cars driving around with daft anime characters, band logos and surfer dude slogans etc. would be seen as a crime against humanity when so much time and love has been lavished on the cars. The fact that it would be happening at all to the game, would be unthinkable. I can kind of see that point.
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My theory is that PD is overworked, understaffed and badly managed.
 
And then there's also this!

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So yes. I definitely support a livery editor.

You can't control everything. Sure, some may try to paint the cars in a manner that some would find offensive but in the online lobbies, I've entered a few where the players had voice-chat on and the conversations were anything but proper. Is this then condonable? Voice-chat should be disabled then. Heck, even typing chat should be disabled if that's the intent.
 

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