The Illuminati and other Conspiracy Theories thread

Do you think the Illuminati is real?

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MIE1992
You know what I think? I think Eobard Thawne killed Epstein. "It was me, Barry! It was me all along!"
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I hope that doesn't mean Barry will go back in time and try to fix things again while messing them up even further.

Wait a minute... maybe he already did...
 
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Marik Von Rennenkampff, opinion contributor to The Hill, explains the US government "grand foul-up" on UFOs goes back to Cold War paranoia. This article has dozens of embedded links/references.

Marik von Rennenkampff served as an analyst with the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation, as well as an Obama administration appointee at the U.S. Department of Defense.
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UFO stigma, alien conspiracy theories are relics of Cold War paranoia

As senior officials increasingly open up about such encounters, the stigma that long precluded serious discussion of UFOs continues to cr…
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Apparently, on some level, Tulsi Gabbard is buying into this "theory" and Mitt Romney called her out on it:
www.independent.co.uk

Mitt Romney accuses Tulsi Gabbard of ‘treasonous lies’ about Russia’s invasion

Former congresswoman pushed falsehoods about ‘US biolabs’ in video
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

Now Tulsi is hurt and calling for Romney to resign. Which is funny because one of Gabbard's donors is a potentially Russian Agent:
www.thedailybeast.com

Accused Russian Agent Gave to One Politician: Tulsi Gabbard

Russian-American national Elena Branson was indicted this week for lobbying for pro-Kremlin policies while not registered as a foreign agent. She gave to one U.S. politician.
www.thedailybeast.com
 
Tulsi Gabbard is a ****ing moron, as is anyone who bought into her ********, but Mitt really needs to put a cork in this "treasonous" idiocy.
 
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UKMikey
InfoWars is filing for bankruptcy after being held liable for lies Alex spread about Sandy Hook.
www.theguardian.com

Far-right InfoWars website files for bankruptcy protection

Site’s founder, Alex Jones, was found liable for damages in three lawsuits related to lies he spread about 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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They make $50m a year selling merch, hooky supplements, and prepper wankery. I'm not sure how that even comes close to adding up.

Maybe that's why the right-wing nutjobs want to ban math books.

Isn't bankruptcy protection a bit... socialist?
 
Has anyone here done research the Peasant's Rebellion of 1381? Was is a covertly organized conspiracy? By whom?
 
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Has anyone here done research the Peasant's Rebellion of 1381? Was is a covertly organized conspiracy? By whom?
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The Kentish are rebellious rabble-rousers by nature, having gone so far as to build a tunnel to France under all our noses, and it really goes no further than that.

Plague + tax = unhappy serfs.
 
Since this isn't something rooted in facts, it's worth putting it here than elsewhere:
www.reuters.com

China reports first human case of H3N8 bird flu

China has recorded its first human infection with the H3N8 strain of bird flu, but the risk of its spread among people is low, the health authority said.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

Apparently, China has reported the first animal-to-human transmission of H3N8 and indicates the spread to humans is considered low. It's worth noting though that China indicated something similar during the early days of COVID. So what's the conspiracy? Honestly, I think China might be attempting to cover up another outbreak, especially with how strict they're in lockdown mode right now. While I can't link them due to the AUP, there are numerous videos out there of people in white overalls donned in PPE basically beating people, forcing them inside their homes, and even putting them in makeshift "prisons" in and around Shanghai. I saw a video the other day where people were being forced into shipping containers in order to quarantine. Obviously, I can't authenticate these videos but they do seem pretty convincing and on par with what China would do.

So what I'm curious about is whether or not H3N8 is spreading far more rapidly to humans and is China disguising it as COVID measures? Or is COVID really that bad in China right now? I know the answer to these questions can't really be found due to the lack of info we get out of China (and the info we do get isn't reliable).
 
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Here's the original tweet with mild profanity.



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The Alex Jones mess gets even better, as it turns out that his lawyer didn't just send the opposing council a dump of his phone, but rather documents totally around 300GB, that's not a typo, of which the text messages were only a part of it, it may have actually been the entire defence case file. Oh and it's not just the phone that other law agencies and the Jan 6th Committee want, it's all of it.

This came out in the court hearing about how the incident came to be, so if you want to watch both Jones, and then his lawyer get burnt, settle in, it's well worth the watch.

 
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onlysky.media

The 'Satanic Panic' is back, ruining lives with baseless accusations

An NBC News article notes that the Satanic Panic of the 1980s is back and ruining lives with baseless accusations.
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The “Satanic Panic” was a conspiracy theory that really took hold among a certain kind of Christian in the 1980s. Perfectly innocent people were accused of ritualistic child abuse, bad behavior was blamed on the devil, and the modern-day witch hunt ruined countless lives. No evidence ever proved this organized abuse was occurring—certainly not the way accusers insisted it was—but as with so many conspiracy theories, its power had nothing to do with the facts.

Conspiracy theories have never gone away, obviously, but as NBC News’ Brandy Zadrozny writes in a truly disturbing article, the more recent versions of right-wing, religious conspiracy theories are taking pages from the Satanic Panic handbook.
The belief that devil-worshippers disguised as trusted members of the community are stalking neighborhood children to abuse and sacrifice them in secret satanic rituals is more prevalent than one might imagine.
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In one case, Zadrozny writes, a prosecuting attorney for Utah County lost an election at least in part because of false accusations of “murdering or cannibalizing young children,” a direct nod to the stereotypes about Satanism.

It’s not just that Republican politicians or right-wing propagandists are citing Satan as if he’s a real person, or that preachers like Greg Locke are insisting demons exist and conducting actual literal witch hunts. It’s that people who don’t even believe in Satan are getting caught up in the backlash against Satanism.

You may recall that over the summer, a Boston man was arrested for attempting to burn down the headquarters of The Satanic Temple (which is non-theistic).
“The satanic panic mongers have always loved the idea that we’re harassing children or otherwise harming them,” [The Satanic Temple co-founder Lucien Greaves] said. “And that whatever they do against us is justified in the name of preserving the children.”

Greaves said demonization by the religious right is predictable, but he is concerned about what feels like the creeping normalization of satanic-panic-style beliefs in the mainstream or even progressive culture.

“Moral panics don’t really take off when they can be brushed off as being a hysterical evangelical or right-wing talking point,” he said.
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In that sense, the most unusual thing about the modern Satanic Panic is that Satan isn’t even the focal point anymore. It’s just the terminology conservatives and Christians use to rail against everything they don’t like. Drag queens? Tools of Satan. Alleged child trafficking? The work of the devil. Joe Biden’s recent pro-democracy speech? Channeling Lucifer.

It doesn’t matter if we’re talking about QAnon or FOX. The script is virtually identical. Just literally demonize your opponent and whip the base into a frenzy. If innocent people get caught up in the backlash, so what?
Social media can also power new accusations, launch police investigations and invite harassment or worse upon the accused who have little recourse to defend themselves.

On July 1, police in South Windsor, Connecticut, announced that they were reopening an investigation into allegations of sexually explicit crimes against several members of the community. Those allegations had come from TikTok — where a 25-year-old woman named Haley Garcia, who lives in California, posted a video naming her parents and seven others as part of an “elite network” that had done “many ritualistic satanic things” to her and other children years ago.
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There was no evidence of any of that. But the accusations helped Garcia win a lot of free publicity for her burgeoning spiritual coaching business.

Conspiracies don’t just end when the facts are known. The problem with the Satanic Panic is that no matter how many bad faith actors use Satan as a metaphor for what they hate, there are many pastors who spend every week convincing their congregations that Satan is real and needs to be eradicated from their lives. They’ll never admit they’re lying because they genuinely don’t believe they are. As long as that belief perpetuates in churches, it’s next to impossible to convince people that Satan and the abuse associated with Satan are entirely fictional.

That means, much like sin itself, conservative Christians have invented their own problem out of thin air while presenting themselves as the only solution. Republicans are all too happy to go along with it because fear has always been a tool that unites the people who vote for them.
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"It’s just the terminology conservatives and Christians use to rail against everything they don’t like." Gosh, that sounds familiar.
 
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While I believe The Telegraph is a reliable enough source, it still feels most conspiracy-oriented than not, so I'm putting it in this thread:

www.telegraph.co.uk

China ‘began stockpiling PPE months before Covid outbreak’

China also started to buy up global PPE stocks in Europe, Australia and the US around the same time, experts say
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

While this might be a coincidence, and there are other factors at play, it makes me wonder how truthful China's timeline is on the COVID-19 outbreak and how much they tried to cover it up.
 
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Yeah, it's not. Give them a chance to be xenophobic, accurate or not, and they will be on it.
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I don't read it and based on searching media bias charts, it sits right of center, and its political leanings appear to be similar to that of the Wall Street Journal. So decent enough reporting of news with a biased slant regarding editorals and opinion pieces. It's why I said reliable enough though and why I posted it in this thread opposed to the COVID thread. I don't doubt there's bias and slant in the article, however I do think it brings up a point that deserves more in-depth analysis.

I still believe China knew about SARS-CoV-2 long before December 2019, and it was circulating as early as the summer of 2019. However, since there isn't a way to categorically prove that and China seems to have little interest in being honest about the virus's origin, it's pretty much just a conspiracy theory at this point.
 
Joey D
I don't read it and based on searching media bias charts, it sits right of center, and its political leanings appear to be similar to that of the Wall Street Journal. So decent enough reporting of news with a biased slant regarding editorals and opinion pieces. It's why I said reliable enough though and why I posted it in this thread opposed to the COVID thread. I don't doubt there's bias and slant in the article, however I do think it brings up a point that deserves more in-depth analysis.
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I wasn't speaking in regard to the piece in particular, as I'm not going to give them either clicks or money, more of them as a source. are they Daily Mail bad? Nope, but they are still quite a way from what I would call reliable.
Joey D
I still believe China knew about SARS-CoV-2 long before December 2019, and it was circulating as early as the summer of 2019. However, since there isn't a way to categorically prove that and China seems to have little interest in being honest about the virus's origin, it's pretty much just a conspiracy theory at this point.
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I don't doubt that in knowing about Covid, but it's relevant to note that one of the, it's from Chinese lab, peddlers was the Telegraph.
 
BobK
The Clintons are mentioned as likely candidates because for one thing, Bill Clinton made several dozen trips with Epstein even though he admits to four or so. For another, there is a very long list of people who died under mysterious circumstances who had information detrimental to the Clintons. Many of these are suicides where the victim was shot in the back of the head.

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TexRex
Says Jerry Falwell.


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What's more, the idea that the Clintons are obviously responsible for a supposed Epstein homicide instead of, say, Trump is absurd.

There's a great deal of photographic evidence of the Trump/Epstein relationship and Trump, who has admitted on videotape to inappropriate behavior with women and has been accused of even more inappropriate behavior with younger females made possible by his pageant dealings, previously referred to the scum bucket Epstein as a "terrific guy" and acknowledged Epstein's...erm...preferences.

With significant cronyism, it's not pure chance that Trump assigned Alex "Secret Sex Lips" Acosta--who as a civil servant gave Epstein a sweetheart deal--as Labor Secretary. And the falling-out that Donald and Jeffrey are supposed to have had? Well, it's not a stretch to think of the former as being unwilling to share and perhaps Epstein called him on it.

Of course nothing's going to come out connecting Trump to Epstein's death or sexual activities with minors while Barr is overseeing things.

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I don't believe any of these things, mind you, but it took really no effort at all to think any of it up.

That's how conspiracy theories work. You take established truths and believable rumors to make absurdities seem possible, and then you allege coverups to preemptively shut down criticism of the theory. Unfortunately it works.
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I'm not sure this is the most appropriate thread to place this in, but it fits since it does involve a conspiracy and one that I wasn't really even aware of:

www.cnn.com

Why did this cop turn up dead?

A heroic police officer rescued at least three people after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. A year later, he was found shot in the head.
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The Oklahoma City Bombing has always been a bit strange to me, but the official story made sense on some level. I also knew more about Terry Nichols than any of the other's involved since he was from Michigan, specifically an area about 30 miles north of where I grew up so it was huge news at the time. However, with Sgt Terry Yeakey, a lot of what's being said calls into question some things that happened that day.

Whatever you believe though, this story that showed up on CNN is rather interesting.
 
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TexRex
www.mediaite.com

OAN Host Rails Against America’s Love For Football in Tirade Over Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift ‘Psy-Op’

The latest conspiracy theory to have the far-right up in arms claims that pop musician Taylor Swift is involved in a government operation designed to influence the 2024 election because she is dating Kansas City Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce and often attends his games. OAN's Alison Steinberg is...
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Modern American conservatism is mental illness.
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Wow they hit every major right conspiracy except for flat earth and aliens 😁
 
The only conspiracy is that the last time the 49ers and Chiefs played in the Super Bowl a global pandemic shut the world down. Also, we're going to be forced to watch the Santa Clara Miners and KC Swifties instead of the Detroit Lions and Baltimore Ravens like God intended.
 

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