The Initial D Problem

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to everyone here who opposes Initial D and those who support it here is what you think:

The opposer: Initial D is stupid unrealistic and is just anime. there is no way takumi could drift like that. Don't watch and don't pay a attention to it.
Examples:
DrifterBR
SPiDEY
Seis

note: these people are wrong to an extent and disregard them.

the supporters: Initial D is so real it's the best! i want a trueno and set it up like takumi's!
examples:
look around and find them, tere everywhere

The deal is Initial D is not very realistic however it is not stupid and sense less like the older members say.

Plain and simple
 
Speaking as one of those 'older members', I have to repeat that I have nothing against Initial D itself. I understand the concept of anime as an epic involving heroes and villians, etc. and I appreciate good storytelling.

My problem has to do with anybody who crawls too far into that fantasy world. The thing that makes Initial D different from, say, Gundam, is that your average 17-year-old Initial D freak may well be able to get his hands on an '86 Corolla and try that in real life, whereas he'll never find a mech suit to wear in the attempt to be like his heroes. The fact that Initial D is much closer to reality makes it much more likely that somebody like AE86Driver (and I only mention him by name because he has said he wants to do just this) is going to think he can get away with driving like that, and wind up killing himself or someone else.
 
Exactly it's just an anime, but because it is based on a realistic situation it is not too hard to try and imitate. I watched about 6 episodes and it was quite enjoyable but I could see aspects of it that were highly unrealistic.

Bleah I like it but I wouldn't go nuts over it, I like the art of drifting because it takes skill to perform it in real life, but it is just for show and saying that you can win a race just by doing drifts is a tad stupid.
 
Originally posted by askia47
to everyone here who opposes Initial D and those who support it here is what you think:

The opposer: Initial D is stupid unrealistic and is just anime. there is no way takumi could drift like that. Don't watch and don't pay a attention to it.
Examples:
DrifterBR
SPiDEY
Seis

note: these people are wrong to an extent and disregard them.

the supporters: Initial D is so real it's the best! i want a trueno and set it up like takumi's!
examples:
look around and find them, tere everywhere

The deal is Initial D is not very realistic however it is not stupid and sense less like the older members say.

Plain and simple

wtf I'm not against initial D, all my comments have been in defense of it, where the hell did you get that ?

:confused:
 
I'd also like to point out that I'm not an "older" member, I'll actually only be 18 in march,

I'm just against the people who can't drive and know nothing about cars talking all this smack about drifting and wanting to do it because everyone else thinks it's cool and watch initial D because everyone else is and thinks it's cool,

pre teen bandwagonners are worse than the 40 something cars at my high school with altezzas,

*edit*

I also may buy a second "beater" car with the cash I have saved up, and yes it may end up being an old corolla gt-s, but it may also end up being a 240sx fastback (plan was to go sil-80, which I had known about before initial D)

I've always liked older toyotas... so this just makes sense for me, (sr20det is what makes the nissan make sense)

and for the record, I currently drive a 91 integra, and no I don't drift it... I do drive on regular occasion what I guess could be called a "mountain pass" however, and again, have been doing that since before initial D, being that a friend of mine lives in the area off of that road; don't worry though, I stay in my lane and know the road well enough to not push it ;)
 
also i am not talking smack as i can't drive like takumi, yet i do now how to drive and i know what a car is capable of and it's limits.
 
Duke - I'm glad you brought me up in this,now I'll have a few words =D.You are right Duke,I will probably end up killing myself one day by drifting,but then again,I also have that chance at being good at it..well,training for a reeeeally long time to get at it.And if that wasn't true,then how's the Drift King still alive?I also agree with you about getting caught..but I have to say this..my friend,he has a Saturn (don't know what model) and he's drifted plenty of times on my road (it's the only road he can do it on =P,lol) and he STILL hasn't got caught yet.Maybe he's just lucky or somethin',I don't know...but anyways,yes,I COULD have a chance at getting caught,but you gotta remember...I'm gonna be doin' it when I get older and I'm gonna be havin' a lotta fun too ^_^!hopefully not in a hospital,or the morgue -_-.Well,onto the Initial D subject...I admit,with the otaku that I am of Initial D,there are some unrealistic scenes in that anime,but that anime has also taught me some lessons about cars I would've NEVER found out,if it wasn't for Initial D.I didn't even know what a Skyline was till I watched Initial D ^_^,I mean,yeah,sure..I bought one on GT3,but I didn't know what it was =P.All I have to say is that Initial D actually helped me out a lot in finding out more about cars,and giving me something to do with my life for enjoyment =D

AE86Driver

P.S. by the way,Duke...that post of yours wasn't to offend me was it???sorry,I was just confused a lil about what you said..but then again,you did say,"and I only mention him by name because he has said he wants to do just this" so I wouldn't take it offensively,but I mean,comeon..the last sentance..I'm gonna end up killing myself or someone else???I know I said earlier that I might,but hopefully..hopefully I'll have enough skill not to end up doing that,huh?
 
Originally posted by AE86Driver


P.S. by the way,Duke...that post of yours wasn't to offend me was it???sorry,I was just confused a lil about what you said..but then again,you did say,"and I only mention him by name because he has said he wants to do just this" so I wouldn't take it offensively,but I mean,comeon..the last sentance..I'm gonna end up killing myself or someone else???I know I said earlier that I might,but hopefully..hopefully I'll have enough skill not to end up doing that,huh?

Is it really worth the risk? How will you feel if one day you end up killing a family so you could have fun?

This reminds me of one psycho day in my youth. To make a long story short I chased this guy who slept with my girlfriend accross three towns. We drove so absolutely dangerously. It was nuts. A hundred miles an hour on residential streets, blowing through red lights on the wrong side of the road, all culminating in me spinning out a twenty foot long '76 LTD in soneone's front yard. I was very close to going through their living room. I got lucky and when I think of that episode now I feel sick and can't believe I did it... can't believe I'm still alive. Yeah, I guess I'm an adult now, but intentionally doing anything on a public roadway that compromises your control of your vehicle is flat out irresponsible. If you must, drift on a closed track. Please. I'll be driving around with my baby in the car for crissakes!
 
askia47: I'm not against Initial D, in fact I watched the whole serie and liked it, for me it was nice to see an anime about touge racing in Japan with some of the cars I like. What I don't like is people that watch the anime and think they can just buy an 86 and go drifting like Takumi, they don't even know how good is an AE86, they just want one because of Takumi's mad drifting, it's like buying a sword thinking you will turn into a highlander or something.

PS.: I'm not old either :P

I never heard of any TRUE hashirya(street racer) that killed other people because of careless driving. The number one code of the hashirya is to respect the others drivers, if it's dangerous, they will not run, and before starting running in an mountain pass or even street, they will pratice alot in empty parking lots, in the docks or race tracks.
 
The point is, whenyou're on public roadways, it's ALWAYS dangerous. You may have control of your car (or may not), but you DO NOT have control of circumstances and conditions. If you think you do you are mistaken.

If you want to do this, do it the right way. Don't go backroading at midnight. Get involved in the SCCA's SpeedFreakz program, which is specifically targeted at teaching young drivers about car control, under competitive formats, but with safety regulations and controlled circumstances to minimize risk to the driver and remove all risk from the innocent public.

www.scca.org
 
Not really, there are lots of places that are safe to race, like the docks in Japan at midnight, or a parking lot in the morning.

I agree with you that racing in a mountain pass is always dangerous, but some mountains in Japan are totally empty at midnight(even earlier), and people already have the habit to race in those places, so they are familiar with the area. The good thing about racing there is that you can race for free, everyday you want and with people that you already know. I'm sure that you need to worry more about unskilled people that drives drunk in the street than with people that have good skills and race in isolated areas.
 
Originally posted by DrifterBR

I never heard of any TRUE hashirya(street racer) that killed other people because of careless driving.
And TRUE Marines (highly trained soldilers), vow to fight for what's right and never kill innocents. Yet friendly fire has killed Canadian troops... HMMMMMM :rolleyes:
 
Askia, i'm really hurt by your comment. I am a big fan of Initial D, even shelling out 60 dollars for the whole 1st Season! It's the whole reason i still play GT3, and know as much about cars as I do now
 
Originally posted by DrifterBR
Not really, there are lots of places that are safe to race, like the docks in Japan at midnight, or a parking lot in the morning.

I agree with you that racing in a mountain pass is always dangerous, but some mountains in Japan are totally empty at midnight(even earlier), and people already have the habit to race in those places, so they are familiar with the area. The good thing about racing there is that you can race for free, everyday you want and with people that you already know. I'm sure that you need to worry more about unskilled people that drives drunk in the street than with people that have good skills and race in isolated areas.

But that's Japan.
 
I'm confused as to how the hell you drift a saturn,

is it just me or was everyone else under the impression that they were front wheel drive?
 
I am a big fan of ID, and have been for about a year. I have the whole series and am waiting for the next stage(rumor). Nonetheless, in a magazine some editor interviewed some REAL drifters in japan and asked them about ID. they said they thought it was pretty realistic except for him drifting while keeping the water inside the cup.:lol:

I also am a big fan of the fast and the furious. I thought it was a good entertainment movie.

fWd d0riFt0 4 lyfe!(not really)
 
IVE got no problems with Initial D, except for a few exaggerated scenes like the one when the guy drove with his tyre in the gutter and was still gassing as he did so, come on man the chassis is gonna mess in real life.
 
i love the scene where there is a set of hairpins going downhill and one of the rides, i forgot the name, well it took a short cut across the grass just at the beginning of each hairpin and ended up jumping across the other car meaning that it skipped a turnning, that scene was tite
 
yah, the sw20(mr2) did that, he was the son of the guy that lost to bunta, takumi's dad.

yup that was definetly ridiculous, to think that the car could change its motion that drastically, that abruptly and be going fast enough to catch air is crazy.

just my 2sints
 
I'd have to agree with Spidey on his comments,cause as I've said before..GT3 was long put up (almost for good) till I watched Initial D.After I watched the WHOLE collection I guess you could call it,I brought GT3 back out with new knowledge and new ideas =D.Oh and Seis,yes you can drift in a Saturn...cause the first time he did it,I almost pissed in my pants cause we almost went right into a ditch,but luckily,we didn't ^_^!

AE86Driver
 
drifting has it's place. on closed courses and videogames.

screwing around with your car on public roads is not a smart idea.
i totalled my first car, a 1991 Caprice Classic sedan, by driving too fast. the corner was wet, i was going too fast, and the tires locked up. i ended up hitting a tree at 40mph. the car crushed in about 2 1/2 feet, but no windows broke and all the doors worked. After that, I have been driving a lot more careful in my "new to me" set of wheels, a '89 Ford Bronco. In the videogames, either the car would've hit it and stopped, but you could've driven off, you would have bounced off, or (like in Burnout 2), you wreck your car, but it gets reset on the road, repaired.

what you see in movies and games isn't stuff to be tried on the road, unless you're sure just what the hell you are doing.
 
I don't purposely drift, but I sometimes do when I come into a corner too fast, then knowing what to do is helpful. But then again, I'm racing the Professional Elise series again, and with the tuning I've put on my Motor Sport, I drift about 30% of the time. But I think it's a characteristic of that car. Hey, does anyone else have any hints about how to drive the Elise? I know to stay off kerbing. And the only way I can race it at all is with the springs softened down to about 5-6. Otherwise I spin out constantly. Anyone else have the same experience?
 
i had the same experience with my CORVETTE z06, i tried to solve the problem but i ended up screwing up the cars settings so i sold it :)
 
I never drift purposely. I always set the DF as high as possible in order to get as much grip as possible. :D
 
if this has anything to do with how he does it (cause I'm not too sure how he does it either ^_^) he keeps complaining about how his power steering doesn't work,or somethin' like that,but I'm not too well with the Saturn,so I don't know exactly too much about it =P

AE86Driver
 
Well it seems as though this thread has served it's purpose...Initial D is realistic and what they do in the anime can some times be achieved in real life, yet some things do not obey the laws of physics and makes the series unrealistic.

Point-Initial D is realistic in some aspect yet imaginary in another....

sorry for all the problems represnted here.
 
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