If you use duping for your own reasons as stated in quote it is ok for me. The problem is when you will try to sell those duped cars. Ofcourze if you will try sell them in first place.
And that "Selling duped cars to other people" is considered cheating. Because someone need to put hard work in game to obtain something and other in no time get 20 coppies of that. And you hard worked Zagato mean nothing now and should be as PD planed. In summary someone is ruining your experience.
Same as someone cheating in Cod ruining your experience.
Cheating is cheating. If it is Aimbot or trainers for cash or trainers for experience or editeed save file it is cheating and duping cars is no diffrent.
You use it for You and your frends only it's fine and keep it that way.
Trying to sell someone who you don't know duped car is like playing CS with aimbot. It's cool to use it in friends lobby if everybody use it or knows about it and accept it. Using otherways is wrong.
To be very blunt about it, I never 'traded' cars with others. At least not openly. But in the 'group' of about 35~40 people I regularly run with, we gave them away freely. Openly. Without question. We didn't trade. If somebody wanted a specific car we all pooled our resources and looked for what they wanted and just gave it away. And I think that was more in the spirit in which PD intended. Although their concept was not to make an extra copy for yourself of course, which we all did. But all of us who took part, weren't really that interested in the A-spec/career mode of this game. And I think that's the big difference. We wanted these cars because we wanted to race each other using these cars. I've never liked or appreciated the whole 'earning credits' end of it. If there was an option to unlock all cars from the beginning I would have done so.
One of the biggest issues people have is complaining about kids in X1s ruining the experience of online lobbies. But to me this makes no sense. (1) There's no way to know for sure how they obtained the car--they're just assuming they're duped. (2) And more importantly, there is nothing stopping anybody who bought the game, using B-spec only to reach level 35, getting an X1 and then using it in an online lobby, having NEVER driven the car before. To me, B-spec, and the fact that you can WIN so many prized cars for basically doing nothing, is a much bigger travesty. I find people who complain about duping but don't have an issue with rubber band grinding or b-spec credit earning, to be hypocrites. And yet people defend it just because "it's what PD wanted" (3) There is nothing stopping anybody from buying the game, playing it for the first time, buying an MX-5 with their 20,000 start up credits, joining an online lobby and causing havoc.
What I think would have made much more sense would be to lock the (public) online mode until you have at LEAST completed the license tests with bronze. And then color code other lobbies with Silver and Gold. If you want to join a Silver lobby, you have to have completed with Silver. As an example. Perhaps not a good one because I think at least some of the license tests themselves are a bit flawed and don't really teach you proper racing techniques. In fact, I think the 'start from the back and pass 15 cars in 1-3 lap' scenario is what's partly responsible for the lack of proper driving etiquette to begin with. And I've seen this in public lobbies over a variety of racing games for years. It's a battlefield out there. And I can only laugh when people on this board try to make a connection between duping cars and lack of driving skill.
Perkel, I understand where you're coming from. But one thing you have to appreciate is the fact that a 'trading community' is not something PD ever intended with this game. It was set up as a 'gifting' option and not as a trade. This is what the community turned it into. I think in this PD were a bit naive. And now they've got a big mess on their hands. They have some people (a) sim racing enthusiasts like myself, who dupe cars because they could care less about racing off-line with a bunch of hapless AI (b) car enthusiasts who don't necessarily want a race but there isn't another game out there that offers 1000+ cars and they just want to collect the cars (b) traders who started their own sub-culture with this game by trading cars back and forth and (c) the staunch, traditional off-line, GT enthusiasts who are so irked by the idea of duping that smoke comes out of their nostrils. And at this point, the community is kind of fractured. I think under the circumstances, I can't really blame PD for what they did. Although I still believe the reason they're halting the >1,000,000 gifting has nothing to do with duping but because of (1) potential conflicts ahead with paid for DLC (2) the fact that people are selling cars on ebay. Again, I'm no legal expert but these people are selling something intangible. By purchasing the game, you've already entered into an agreement to have access to those cars. I know this is a foreign concept for many people on this board because they really think they're 'earning' the cars by 'earning' credits. But outside the game, back in the real world where there are real laws and real courts and real lawsuits, those ebay sellers are selling something that they have no ownership rights to. And PD, Sony and their lawyers see a potential issue. But, that's just my opinion.
In a sense, I agree, it's kind of a shame that the 'trade community' was ruined by duping. But it was a tower people tried to build in a swamp, during an earthquake. If you understand my meaning.
