The next tuner challenge..

[mustangGT90210]

Well, TCv3 is definately out of the question for me. Well, I should be in the next one afterwords. I've missed so much lately, damn grounding. So what is the final set up of TCv3? If it interests me enough, I can sneak onto the PS2

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Well, TCv3 is definately out of the question for me. Well, I should be in the next one afterwords. I've missed so much lately, damn grounding. So what is the final set up of TCv3? If it interests me enough, I can sneak onto the PS2

Check the TCV3 thread. Out of interest, what did you do to get grounded? I remember I got grounded from all electrical appliances for a month once because I broke a cupboard. All I was allowed was radio and to watch TV if it was someone else's show.

 

[mustangGT90210]

Check the TCV3 thread. Out of interest, what did you do to get grounded? I remember I got grounded from all electrical appliances for a month once because I broke a cupboard. All I was allowed was radio and to watch TV if it was someone else's show.

Eh fine. I'll go read the thread.

I got grounded for 2 F's on my PROGRESS REPORT. It's just a stupid mid-quarter thing the school sends home to tell the parents how the grades are at a time when they don't matter. F in Spanish because I just can't grasp it. F in English because (and this sounds like a bad excuse) the long-term sub teacher lost the essay that was worth like 40% of my grade. So yeah, I'll be rather inactive for the next month. The bright side to it, home gym is fixed, so soon I'll be back to benching my 145 and then movin up, I just wish it had a leg press!

EDIT: I'm only 148 pounds, benching my body weight is a good thing.

 

[mafia_boy]

I hate to tell you this but, that's not going to work.

You could easily achieve everything you want to without phantom markers. It makes me worry but I'm not going to go any further on that subject, rather, I'll just tell you how to achieve your goal.
Save the replay past T1, watch the MPH during the replay, find the top number before the first real turn, then find the bottom number during the first turn. That alone will give you how fast a car can go through the turns as well as how fast it runs at the top of the hill.
The problem with that is... The sector time is secondary to the feel. 👍

Well... Back to the game for me.

It might be secondary in those aspects, but to get a better handling car, I ALWAYS do phantom markers for certain sections on different tracks to look at time improvement....there's some sections where you don't get a sector time for 40-50seconds, way too much time to get accurate improvements.....especially if you are trying to get 1 certain corner right. If the car handles better, it implores you to push the car harder and therefore the times drop considerably while keeping the car feeling as steady as possible. The MPH/KMH speeds are a direct result of that improvement as you'll head into & out of turns faster if you are doing it all right.

Meh, I'll let my entries do the talking for me, I'm getting too rambly.

 

[Skygrasper550]

can we enter more than 1 car on each division??

 

[VTiRoj]

My RWD entry is pretty much done, just need to write up the settings. Actually in all honesty, this car has been set up in its current config for longer than I've been at GTP. I've just been waiting for a chance to let it loose somewhere The car itself is over 1 and a half years old (our time, not GT).

4WD and FWD, still looking for potential tunes. I've got my eyes on a couple of cars though.

 

[Leonidae]

And I will kick in my baby Bimmer. Since it was tuned on N3's, the turn in and grip is spectacular, even with the originally suggested limited downforce. It's going to be one helluva hot hatch. I'm actually thinking about adding a snail to the engine just to give the car more grunt it deserves. Hmmm.. AWD and FWD.. I believe I can come up with something nice in those categories too. Watch out, Mad Finns are about to fly low!

 

[mafia_boy]

Well you and Grey have got a nice collection to use, you shouldn't find it too hard to find one for each category Leo.

 

[Leonidae]

Oh yes, but if you look through the setups, you can see that we've been going through different setup styles.. soft ones, hard ones, medium ones, bizarre ones, even crazy ones. using those setups, meant for GVS, might not be so good idea on Citta Di Aria. Thus, I rather come up with completely new setups that can be later on added to our selections.. which reminds me that we need to take photos about the vintage tuners and add them there as well..

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

can we enter more than 1 car on each division??

I highly doubt that, but up to Kent. Let's see what he says. Even if we can- don't. You'd look like a try-hard

And I will kick in my baby Bimmer. Since it was tuned on N3's, the turn in and grip is spectacular, even with the originally suggested limited downforce. It's going to be one helluva hot hatch. I'm actually thinking about adding a snail to the engine just to give the car more grunt it deserves. Hmmm.. AWD and FWD.. I believe I can come up with something nice in those categories too. Watch out, Mad Finns are about to fly low!

I don't think you can call that Bimmer a hot hatch. Aren't they normally FWD to be a hot hatch. Otherwise it's the undisputed best hot hatch on the market Flying low over an American airport, you American you.

 

[Megasoft Office]

The problem I have with using soft compound tires in this competition is that the car's flaws/characteristics/fun personality become absorbed in the high grip tires. So you'd you need to be senselessly overspeeding to invoke an understeer that would normally never happen with radials, whatsoever, with proper driving. That, in my view, makes judgment/evaluation flawed.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

"So you'd you need to be senselessly overspeeding to invoke an understeer that would normally never happen with radials, whatsoever, with proper driving."

And your point is? Sorry, did I miss something?

 

[Megasoft Office]

That's your loss if you couldn't absorb the meaning of such a forthcoming post. Could the two sentences have been simplified any further for your comprehension?

 

[Leonidae]

Now now kids, play nicely.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

You don't get it, do you? My point was exactly what you said:

So you'd you need to be senselessly overspeeding to invoke an understeer that would normally never happen with radials, whatsoever, with proper driving."

Why would we be senselessly overspeeding?

 

[mafia_boy]

Because we ALL can't drive aswell as Mr.Megasoft here RJ. He's the Ayrton Senna of GT4........

......Just wish he'd would hit a wall at 200km/h+ too. jk.

Megasoft, if you were talking about R tyres then I'd understand and be on your side but S3 tyres DO NOT absorb all the bad handling....yes, they're an improvement on S2's as they should be but they still break into wheelspin left right and centre as soon as you get decent hp on it, and they can easily be induced into tyre washout and understeering during hard braking and turning....FF's show this up more.

 

[CraftyLandShark]

Especially considering the sector we're looking at - T1 at Citta is no walk in the park for any powerful car, no matter the tire compound. Even some of the bone-stock S3-shoed touge monster benchmark cars Kent has chosen will display some tough characteristics there. Running on N-tires on a relatively flat track surface would be fine. Here, it'd be suicide, and would make anyone considering judging think twice before commiting to that much frustration.

 

[Megasoft Office]

Why would we be senselessly overspeeding?

"Why"? Because you have to drive harder and faster on these tires. If you don't, the car will just stick itself to the road. And you know what? Every entrant will, effectively, have submitted the same car because they all stick to the road in the same glue-like manner with no immediate differentiating qualities or behavior; the're all on the same stage 3 diet and 30/30 downforce "tuning" routine. So every car's self-proclaimed "unique feel" is a delusion because its flaws (or advantages) are canceled out by high grip tires and huge downforce.

Example:
Built an NSX that emphasizes on its cornering rigidity and good high-speed balance? No point. Because someone else has submitted a heavyweight Supra with more than double your torque and with maximized downforce to slaughter your NSX's unique balance in high-speed corners. There's no more character in the cars and any alleged "evaluation" is almost purely a fabricated interpretation of what it have could been.

I don't mean to directly attack anyone's approach to modifying their cars as they see fit; I'm perfectly fine with that. But evaluating these kinds of cars seems rather hypocritical to me.

 

[CraftyLandShark]

"Why"? Because you have to drive harder and faster on these tires. If you don't, the car will just stick itself to the road. And you know what? Every entrant will, effectively, have submitted the same car because they all stick to the road in the same glue-like manner with no immediate differentiating qualities or behavior; their all on the same stage 3 diet and 30/30 downforce "tuning" routine. So every car's self-proclaimed "unique feel" is a delusion because its flaws (or advantages) are canceled out by high grip tires and huge downforce.

Example:
Built an NSX that emphasizes on its cornering rigidity and good high-speed balance? No point, because someone else has submitted a heavyweight Supra with more than double your torque and with maximized downforce to slaughter your NSX's unique balance in high-speed corners. There's no more character in the cars and any alleged "evaluation" is almost purely a fabricated interpretation of what it have could been.

Absolutely all of this is patently untrue. Look at ANY of our past tuner challenges - there have been WIDE margins of scores based on VERY different characteristics of all the cars entered.

As for your NSX example, here's a test for you. Take a blown-out Supra through T1 at Citta, then do the same on a well-tuned NSX. I can guarantee the NSX will equal, if not blow away, the Supra's time, while feeling tenfold better to drive. How do I know? I just tuned one yesterday that's already a full second and a half quicker than the Amuse GT1 through T1. If it, at a scant measure more than 400hp, can beat the GT1 @ 550ish HP, it could dust a Supra without breaking a sweat.

You also seem to consistently disregard the fact that tires are ALWAYS, in ANY real life tuning situation, the FIRST legitimate choice for performance enhancement, and are considered a no-brainer rather than some badge of weakness or inability.

 

[Megasoft Office]

NSX or S2000 versus Supra in Citti d'Aria?
That's an incredibly obstinate scenario, don't you think...? And it doesn't quite fit with my example using a high-speed circuit.

Don't patronize me, buddy, about tire upgrades. Owners/tuners/entusiasts upgrade their tires to performance radials in most cases. What they don't do is go directly from OEM tires to some competition-grade, semi-slick, untreaded rubber (tires without hydro treads/circumferential tread grooves).

 

[Kent]

I don't think there's much of a reason to continue this back and forth so please chill it out guys.

 

[CraftyLandShark]

I don't think there's much of a reason to continue this back and forth so please chill it out guys.

True 'nuff. Apologies. Should have taken my own advice from VTC lol.


That said, on happier topics, who's working on what, if anyone is willing to share?

 

[VTiRoj]

That said, on happier topics, who's working on what, if anyone is willing to share?

Well, I'm not going to share the exact models, but I'll tell you this. I got 2 Honda's and an Audi. All 3 are red.

All 3 are reasonably finished. Just in the final stages of tweaking, testing and revving the balls off the Audi.

 

[CraftyLandShark]

Hmmmm... well we have either an S2000 or an NSX... and some variant of a Civic or Integra

As for the Audi... gotta vote for A3 or (R?)S4.

If you're using a TT, make sure to note that PD goofed - unless you add a VCD, the TT's are FWD... weird, I know.

Somehow I have a feeling a lot of Hondas are gonna show up for this one...

 

[VTiRoj]

Hmmmm... well we have either an S2000 or an NSX... and some variant of a Civic or Integra

As for the Audi... gotta vote for A3 or (R?)S4.

If you're using a TT, make sure to note that PD goofed - unless you add a VCD, the TT's are FWD... weird, I know.

Somehow I have a feeling a lot of Hondas are gonna show up for this one...

You have mentioned all 3 of my cars, but which ones out of the pairs you suggested are they?

Dont worry about the TT, I dont touch those at all!

Shame theres no 4WD Honda that would be good around Citta di Aria, I wanted a full red Honda army

 

[CraftyLandShark]

It'd be quite a sight to see an Odyssey hauling its gi-normous girth across Citta

 

[VTiRoj]

It'd be quite a sight to see an Odyssey hauling its gi-normous girth across Citta

Or the Element

Which is where the Audi came in. 💡 Despite it being almost as wide oops, that kinda confirms which Audi I'm using

 

[CraftyLandShark]

It'll still be interesting to see if "Ze Germans" can foil the Japanese kings of the mountain! In the AWD category it's quite likely possible.

Unless my RS200 makes an appearance, that is

 

[VTiRoj]

It'll still be interesting to see if "Ze Germans" can foil the Japanese kings of the mountain! In the AWD category it's quite likely possible.

Unless my RS200 makes an appearance, that is

Well, my Quattro can certainly try.

You'll be killed in a RS200!

 

[Kent]

I was playing around with a TT the other day and found it was a great driver under 300hp. I didn't get time to play with it at more HP and wasn't really interested in doing so.
Further, I've put down a little work on an RX7 but I'm not sure it is worth entering since it might not live up to the potential. As of now the RX7 is running 400hp and stock weight but still runs laps just a little faster than the Amuse GT1. IMO, that's a good thing and a bad thing... Bad that it's only a little faster but good since it is still faster with all that extra weight and so much less power.

As for a FF entry, which I'm sure you all expect from me, I'm working on it.
4WD... I doubt I'll do a 4WD'er. They are just so hard to tune and with my opinion of the R34, I'm just not sure how much better you can do.

With that in mind, I'm really looking forward to see the 4WD division this time around. Hopefully we will see some awesome entries.

Btw, the RS200 is a lot like the 205... 4WD with mid-engine mounting.
You just can't beat that and so the only real problem becomes something like what I've got with the RX7- can you reach the potential of the car? If so the car will be amazing, if not the car will still be amazing but it probably will not pull scores as high as it might have (with fully realized potential).

Very interesting indeed!!!