Originally posted by Shadow Drifter
I DO look kinda proud of what I've done in that first pic huh? I don't mean to insult anyone by saying that I don't like the skyline. It's just my own personal opinion. Sorry if anyone took offense, personally, I think it's pretty funny that a lot of people give all of this hype to a car that they have never driven and probably never will drive.
I'm NOT saying that you haven't driven the car, for all I know you probably own one. But, I'm just saying that I've driven most all skyline models and they are NOT all that. It handles like a 4wd car should handle. As a matter of fact, if you have never driven the GT-R34, think of a Lincoln Towncar in 4wd and about 500 pounds lighter. That's about it.[/i]
Right about here is where anyone who knows these cars knows you're really full of it aye. From what you are trying describe and in fact what the GTR is, isn't even in the same time zone persay.
They don't handle like a 4wd car "should" and certainly don't drive nor behave anything like a luxury car. Even my 12 year old R32 GTR with its rather worn out suspension!
So what brought you that conclusion? Oh wait I know, I serious doubt you've even been in a GTR. On a side note the R32 GST-t and GTS4 would out handle, out accelerate and out maneuver your "Lincoln" and the GTR half again better on handling and twice on acceleration in standard trim. Oh wait there's more keep reading.
VIPER, I know that you've had your fair share of skyline encounters, and I think you own one, but, I'm just stating the fact that I don't like it and I don't see the hype. I mean, the engine is a serious contender, it has almost unlimited potential, and it doesn't take much to get those engines powerful. But once they're built up, they only have one purpose, IMO, the Wangan.
The hype is that those who've never owned or driven one, base their opinions and values from the experiences of those who do. Just as I've never owned, driven, or ridden in a Maclearen F1, yet I consider it to be the pinnicle of the super cars. The GTR is awesome for what it is plain and simple. Considering I've owned or driven quite a few top sports cars, these cars are so much more. I can't think of many other cars you can show up to a drag strip or local circuit, change nothing and give it a thrash, be competitive, yet drive it home happily on the streets.
They'll out handle a Viper out of the box, change the exhaust and ecu work and they are making the same power, then will out accelerate one. There is nearly an endless supply of aftermarket parts available and for a car that built orginally to compete in the JGTC, forsale in Japan only, they certainlly have grown in reputation over the years.
When you say built up, as in what 1000hp? And just how many 1000hp street cars are there? Most of your "Hi Performance Street cars" would be around the 650hp. If you've even been in a 650hp street car you would seriously know it.
When I had the fortune to get some leave, I went over to the Wangan for a spill and let me just say that it's EVERYTHING that TXR makes it out to be. I was SUPRISED. The only thing the game exaggerates is the physics. Traffic is just as unpredictable and the cars are just as fast. I had a chance to get to see the 1100hp R34 and the twin 900hp RX7s. I actually rode in my skyline while on the Wangan, for the most part, but when I saw the 1100hp R34, I was in the passenger side seat of the red and white (not white and red) RX7. Absolutely incredible. That 34 had power that I never thought possible. It pulled away on the straights and took curves like it was on rails. But the first serious turn, the RX7 had it in it's grasps. We lost, needless to say, but it was still funny to me that an 1100hp skyline couldn't stay away from a 900hp RX7 with minimal turns and maximum straight. He never got more than 2 car lenghts away.
Semper Fidelis
Shadow Drifter
P.S. The reason I say "the" before naming the hp of the cars and the actual cars themselves, is because those cars are ABSOLUTELY FAMOUS among the Wangan racers and Okinawa Drifters. But that's another story, and in and of itself deserves another thread.
*hmm a thread totally devoted to personal expierineces from racing in Japan. I'll get on that one day*
First in the reality of things the GTR is well over 250kgs heavier standard. Power to weight makes a huge difference for starters. Now you state "twin 900hp RX7s" or did you mean twin turbo. Eh don't bother responding as the more I read this the more I've come to realize you are forever stuck in the fantisy world of Grand Turismo, you know FANTISY land. The two cars you have pictured are an R32 GTS-t or GTS4, and an R33 GTS or GTS25. Neither of which could remotely compare to the GTR in overall performance.
Getting back to your quote on "famous among drifters" for a moment, neither of the cars you've mentioned are famous for that. Seems pretty logical if you were involved or have even watched drifting the AE86 Toyota and Nissan Silvia are the two most popular drift cars due to balance vs power vs torque. The rotary due to its lack of torque and responce isn't normally considered a drift car. On the Wangan from the video clips I've seen it would seem logical that the Supra would be more favoured than the RX7 any day.
Speaking of which getting 900hp out of 13B RX7 even the Series 6 and 7 is a major feat. Due to the car's weight, the RX7 Bat, even 650hp would seem quite a bit more than it really is. One has to only look as far as the JGTC GT500 class to make good examples out of. How many RX7s are there in that class? Gee I can't think of one actually. They race in the GT300 class and last count there was only one. Now if the handling was so good from the factory they would be quite easy to improve upon that platform even more. Again this would seem logical, yet for some odd reason not a single team uses the RX7. Could that be due to something called reliability and driveability? I think so. In that respect lets address this hp claim you are making. If you are familar with the rotary and how it works, you would also know the biggest pitfall in them and that is the apex seals. Something Mazda didn't fix until the recent release of the RX8. It's not the seals themselves but the ports that cause the seals to fail, but you knew that didn't you. I mean there you are in the land of the rising sun with a virtue and wealth of information at your finger tips.
Getting 1,100hp out of an RB26 isn't all that difficult. It takes nothing more than throwing enough money at it, and having a tuner make it. What is suprising is with that sort of power, anyone would choose to thrash it up some motorway. Given the life span of the motor is measured in time not milage once you are basiclly at or around the 1000hp mark. To give you an example when Top Secret came down to New Zealand with their R34 GTR and Supra, they ruined 3 motors in the span of 3 days in the GTR. Yet the supra which has a mildly tuned 700hp Rb26 in it will happily run over 320kmh yet can do so time and time again.
Mate after reading what you've just posted on these forums here, I've come to the healthy conclusion that you haven't got a clue, and really should do some research before spouting off. Someone is likely to catch you out that honestly knows. While I can't truely comment on the Wangan, don't think for a moment you will get anything past me on the Skyline and quite a few other cars.
My suggestion to you then is if you are so dead against them, post somewhere else. That's pretty simple isn't. Why come into an area where people who enjoy or an enthusiast of a particular model or make of car and post anything negative unless you are looking to stir trouble, but hey at the end of the day give it your best shot. I'm game if you are.
A thought , just a thought.
Sick bastard!You despised it enough to buy one?
BLAH, you didn't even own a GT-R model.
I want power, but I would kill for response like that!
I meant the damage on the car.
