The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread

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RC45

Is it possible to take a photo of the G25 and the T500RS side by side, mounted on a table.
I'd like to see the difference in size.

I made a wooden frame, as you can see here specially for the G27.
I hope I don't have to adjust the wooden frame too much if I should decide to get the T500RS.

The last photo shows a dashboard visible through the rim of the G27, which I'd like to be visible through the rim of the T500RS as well without having to make adjustments to the frame.
 
7HO
It took less than 7 months to go from idea to delivery on this wheel, Kaz wanted a better wheel after his experience at Nurburgring. I think a shifter will take a little less than this. As for a cue of the quality look at your wheel. The same ridiculous comments were made about the wheel when no one had seen it, Thrustmaster told us it will be Warthog quality and it is, why would the shifter be any different now.

As much as I appreciate your thoughts about what you have the more you post the less interest I have in what you have said about the wheel because I can see that your view about a lot of things is somewhat unique.

What ever you say the wheel hasn't had a proper usage yet, it's barely been out. It's a bit early to say it's robust and durable don't you think.
 
I hope the fan is no big problem!

I want to say, i appreciate the way you point out all the pro's and neg's on this wheel. It happens far to often when someone spends so much money, they don't want to face the negatives about the equipment.

The money is a huge amount to a lot of us i guess, so i think the wheel has to be worth all it's penny's. (Or euro's for me in NL).

I got confirmed this mornig that the warranty here is 2 years.

Thanks and keep the info comming. Its worldwide news! 👍
 
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I will believe the shifter when I hav eit in my grubby little hands and it works on the console. I am not holding out hope the wheel even worls with other console games - I am wanting to see how good their PC driver is - hell, they may not even bother writing an XP driver for it and just forego the millions of installed XP players out there.

We really don't know - a companies Facebook page is just another marketing tool, not really Gospel. :)



Fry's.


The shifter has been announced, its not an internet rumour. Thrustmasters confirmed it is in development at CES.

I find it quite odd how someone can assume the TM shifter is nothing other than a marketing idea or that it is not coming. Yet you expect/assume the Fanatec shifter is going to appear. Your way of thinking is strange considering nothing has been shown of each and with Fanatec it is likely that after it has been shown just like all their product releases so far it could take months after that before it is actually available.

One thing im sure about, the T500 RS shifter will appear and before the Fanatec too.

Pity about the fan, hope its not a design fault but just a single component failure.


New T500 RS Website
Just found this, not sure if been linked or mentioned before, seems new but will be useful for potential buyers.

Link
 
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The fan has barely lasted 26 odd hours of use ;)

Ouch. Doesn't look too good as far as reliability is concerned. I never had a fan fail in as little as 26 hours. Hopefully this isn't an indication for the quality of other components (but realistically speaking might pretty much be just that).
 
Ouch. Doesn't look too good as far as reliability is concerned. I never had a fan fail in as little as 26 hours. Hopefully this isn't an indication for the quality of other components (but realistically speaking might pretty much be just that).

Really? A sample size of ONE and you're commenting on reliability of an entire product. Similarly I should conclude that everything you own with a fan is flawless because you've NEVER had a failure.

Let's get a little more evidence before we speculate about reliability.
 
Really? A sample size of ONE and you're commenting on reliability of an entire product. Similarly I should conclude that everything you own with a fan is flawless because you've NEVER had a failure.

Let's get a little more evidence before we speculate about reliability.

Well I guess you're right. But still, at first there was only one Ferrari 458 burning, and then a second and a third and then came the callback.

One such incident could be a fluke, but you gotta agree it doesn't induce the most confidence in a product if one of the few in use now already shows such issues.
 
I am also sorry to report the first possible signs of hardware failure. The fan has started to sound like an old brushless PC case fan on its last legs. The fan started of very quiet and well behaved, then during a 20 lap session at the Nurgburgring (stock 1996 Elis with Comfort Hard tyres) the fan suddenly started acting up. At first I thought it was a fluke, then when it did it for the 3rd time I was off to grab the video camera and get something incase I have to show the Thrustmaster support folks.



Bad new (for you and the future buyers).

A pair of questions about this:

- It has sound (inmediatly) everytime you start the wheel after the first time failing?.

- 20 laps around Nurgburgring GP or Nordschleife?.


Thanks.
 
The Fantec shifter does exist and is a real product that thousands of people already possess, it is just back ordered at the moment. (As far astheir Clubsport shifter goes, who knows until we see it it is also just vapourware).

This TM shifter does not yet exist and its appearance could be impacted by any overnight change in market forces, market factors and the economy. Just because Thrustmaster annouced it, doesnt mean they are obligated to produce it - this is why I say that until it actually appears on the market it is just vapourware - the lack of concept sketch is very telling as if they are afraid of competition then that must mean the product is very early in its life cycle and competitors could beat them to market with a similar product. If it was very late in its development lifecycle they would know it was too late for any competitor to launch a counter-product before they went live.

So again, unless it is already ready for market and will be making a surprise entrance, this shofter is a ways off and subject to marker forces and factors may never make an apperance.

Thsi is reality, welcome to it.



A sample size of ONE when there is apparently only ONE in the city and that ONE is showing signs of some issues is sort of the only SAMPLE size you have at the moment isnt it?

Now, your sample size of ONE also just happens to have a frame that is tweaked so as to not allow the diamond plate to easily mount in the GT pedal mode, also just happens to have fastners of such poor QC that of the 5 (4 are needed 1 is spare) hex bolts to mount the "brake moe" 2 are so poorly moulded that the hex key barely fits into the hole, also just happens to have countersuck hex bolts that are of such poor material that after only a few very careful uses (you are encouraged to take the thing apart and reassemble in various ways) the hex holes in the faces are beginning to round out, also just happens to have hex keys of such poor quality that they are almost a 1/4 of a mm off in size and slop about in the hex bolts, also just happens to have a spring in the brake mod that is made of such poor material it is losing its spring pressure after only 7 hours of use??

These are symptoms of EVERY piece of consumer equipment that is made in China under cost and time pressures.

The T500RS is a well engineered product (this is reflected in how well it WORKS) with a very MINOR design and ergonic issue (the placement of the MODE button) that is sadly subject to the QC, material and workmanship of high discount mass manufacturers in China.

Even the AMAZING Fanatec wheel is subject to the woes of its Chinese mass manufacture.

Have you ever taken time to LOOK at the items returned to a major retailer a such as Fry's? The sheer number of well engineered and designed products that are poorly manufactured is insane.

The fact is that on this sample of ONE there is strong evidence of corners cut and quality issues... let's see, are you in the market for a T500RS?? I will sell you mine as-is for the price I paid, are you still confident this is just a sample of ONE? ;)

RC45,
I agree with you 100%, I am not sure what they are drinking or smoking, but I was thinking the same thing, there are not many of these out there and so you have to take what is as a representative of the overall quality, there jus is no other way that this can be interpreted in my opinion.

I like you will always point out the good as well as the bad when telling people about a product, too many people tell you how great a product is and then after you have issue with it, they suddenly come forward and say “Oh Yeah, I had that happen also!!”.

Keep up the good work that you are doing, at the very least maybe we can keep Thrustmaster honest if the issues are brought to light, you are all we have right now and I really really appreciate what you are doing for us, and for those who are in denial, I thank you for them also!!
 
Someone who's been chatting to the ThrustMaster guy on FB should invite him on here. It would be great to get these guys in an active and positive discussion here.
 
Sure it can. I have it mounted to a Playseat v1 and it works very very well. The wheel is the ultimate way to enjoy GT5, having put down 110+ lpas at the Nurburgring with it I do not want to drive GT5 any other way - all it needs now to be close to perfection is some kind of stand alone shifter ;)

He meant this:

http://www.wheelstandpro.com/

Same thing I have. From your threaeded hole comparison I gathered that it's not compatible in that department, but I guess using the "brackets" might work, or screwing new holes in the wheelstand plate of course.

Will it be able to handle the weight of the wheel though? That stand is pretty stable but not quite as in a dedicated cockpit. So I'm not sure really.
 
RC45
Dont want to argue at all but the reality is both companies have announced upcoming shifters. You have said you doubt the TM Shifter will ever appear. Their is no guarantee thats correct it will appear but when it has been announced as coming why should their be any reason to doubt such or that its a PR stunt. What proof have you got to substantiate such? None I assume...

Anyone here could ask your reasoning for assuming this. Just like this "Mode" button issue. Nobody else we can find with the wheel has so far reported it being a problem. I questioned it as the wheel has huge 17cm paddles. So would that not allow a player if required to use the paddles higher up and away from the "Mode" button. Pictures do not show it pertruding out a great amount. You put it across as a MAJOR issue and a real big deal with your own flair and comments.

I agree with what 7HO has said. I too appreciate your work and showing of pictures. However I just cant get to grips with your way of thinking, the aggression and some of the comments you have made being as serious or as bad as they are. Perhaps we are wrong and your comments although in how they are presented are indeed right on the money.

I also dont get in the posts you made how this wheel was in your opinion very close to the GT2 after some proper usage. Then I login the next morning to find BANG you have totally changed that opinion, the wheel is all of a sudden incredible. All with little information on how or why the big change. So for me if anything this report almost raises more questions than it answers.

When other peoples reviews/opinions start appearing then well I guess we will see if others share your comments.
 
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I'm kinda glad im sticking with the G27 and i really really really really hope they will recognize, for the communities sake, the need for full compatibility of the G25/G27 wheel in GT5 👍

I'm really diggin' the T500 RS but the more i read about it the more i back away from it and the more confused i get on why kaz didn't just let logitech and/or fanatec etc. improve on their wheels....at least make the changes that are needed and let the G27 be the official wheel IMO...

I also have a Logitech G27 and I hate to be the one to tell you, but I think we have a Snow Ball’s chance in HE “Double Hockey Sticks” to get full support, the Amazing Mr. Kaz has obviously made a decision based on politics to not support the G27 as the official wheel, I know a lot of people thought it would be the logical choice but apparently there are other factors that we will never know about.

I am so glad I did not sink money into a subpar G27 wheel for GT5. This Fanatec GT2/CS and the Thrustmaster T500RS high-qual wheels look to be ace and raise the bar for racing sim (all platforms) wheels! I cannot wait to see more reviews and player comments on these two wheels. keep 'em coming, lucky early adopters!
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I can confirm that. The wheel is very quiet. But when it gets warm and the fan is needed it gets noisy. For me it's no problem during playing. I only hear it when a race is over...

Sure it can. I have it mounted to a Playseat v1 and it works very very well. The wheel is the ultimate way to enjoy GT5, having put down 110+ lpas at the Nurburgring with it I do not want to drive GT5 any other way - all it needs now to be close to perfection is some kind of stand alone shifter ;)



No, the fan has been very quiet, as is still very quiet, almost as if it is barely on - at first i was suspecting it was not on at all. But now it seems to go into this "noisy mode" when ever the wheel is being used intensively. Well, I say "when ever" but it was during the next to last heavy session at the Nordschleife (about 9 laps) that it started this weird noise and only once (thats the only track I really run now - about 110 hard laps so far ;)), then quieted down.

Then during the last 20 lap session at the Nords it did it twice. This video is of the 3rd and last time it went weird on me. Is it possible that only now the wheel really needed the fan on and this is how it just sounds, or was it very quiet before and now just has developed a 'noise"?? Who knows, but I hate to have to send the unit back now just as I start getting "into it".



I am trying very hard to honestly report the issues as well as the successes.

Success: The wheel is amazing and does what it does very well, probably the best prosumer wheel there is.

Failure: 1 poor design element and possiblt QC and material quality issues.


I guess I could have saved all those messages posted and just put that up :lol: ;)
 
I am so glad I did not sink money into a subpar G27 wheel for GT5. This Fanatec GT2/CS and the Thrustmaster T500RS high-qual wheels look to be ace and raise the bar for racing sim (all platforms) wheels! I cannot wait to see more reviews and player comments on these two wheels. keep 'em coming, lucky early adopters!
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I don't think there's anything "subpar" about either the G25 or G27. My G25 performed fantastically in GTR2. There's no doubt that the Fanatec and Thrustmaster T500 RS wheels are better than the G25/G27, but they also cost much more. What I find subpar is PD's support of the G25, which has been a shock to me since I first bought GT5P. I continue to be amazed at how poorly the G25 feels in GT5 compared to what it felt like in GTR2, and that PD wouldn't want to put more effort into properly supporting this wheel, which is so obviously better than the other, better supported Logitech wheels listed in GT5.
 
How wide is the wheel from the front side? The part that is close to the "table" edge? And how deep the wheel base is? Is there a footprint drawing somewhere?
 
The fan itself is really no problem as it's a pretty cheap component. The problem is that you have to deal with the warranty that is in place in order to fix it. You either send it back to or go back to FRYs which costs you money or you take the wheel apart and replace the fan, which I'm assuming voids the warranty.
 
@RC45, I meant i fear the Wheelstand Pro is not stable and heavy enough to match the forces and the weight of this wheel. Have to try it, if i decide to buy this wheel.
(Sold my G25 and have a "spare" DFGT for now..)

Good to read another wheel user talks about a loud fan with heavy use aswell. Might not be a falure...

The french video part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoLdjq8Jems
 
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