The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread

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Rav
Alacantra feels great but in the long run it is not practical as it beings to wear down. You have to use a brush on it every now and then. Using water is a no no. I have a alacantra steering wheel in my car and it is beginning to show signs of wear. Some people I know use driving gloves to keep the alacantra intact.

Let’s get real here, most Race Drivers use gloves or Sparco and Bell would go out of business, most racing wheels use Leather/ Alcantara or Momo and Sparco wouldn’t be able to sell any, why are we pretending that this is not fact?????
We don’t have to defend the product and company, we should point out what make sense to Motorsport Fans and maybe companies will actually start to give the customers what they actually want!!
 
I'm not sure as I don't know a lot about thrustmaster but a lot of Internet talk says they are known for producing junk. Is this true or is it just the standard people who don't like it complain and those that do like it are too busy enjoying it to complain?

I find this to be particularly amusing, because originally THRUSTMASTER produced some exceptionally high quality simulator products like the famous HOTAS. Then they were bought out by Guillemot, and started producing cheap peripherals.

Everybody remembers the cheap junk, nobody remembers the HOTAS.
 
I'm not sure as I don't know a lot about thrustmaster but a lot of Internet talk says they are known for producing junk. Is this true or is it just the standard people who don't like it complain and those that do like it are too busy enjoying it to complain?

their HOTAS is pretty damn good quality, but you pay for that. but they also made cheap stuff, for cheap prices.

for this price i would expect a quality product. haven't read many owners saying it was crap quality, although there is always room for improvement i imagine, as for all things. I will know soon enough.
 
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I find this to be particularly amusing, because originally THRUSTMASTER produced some exceptionally high quality simulator products like the famous HOTAS. Then they were bought out by Guillemot, and started producing cheap peripherals.

Everybody remembers the cheap junk, nobody remembers the HOTAS.

Back in the old days (early-mid 90's) Thrustmaster used to make some of the best mass-market flight sticks and damn near the first driving wheel. They went on the skids a few years later and the Thrustmaster name started turning up on terrible, low quality accessories, I guess this would be post buyout. Now it seems like maybe they're on the way back to respectability, and this wheel seems like a damn nice start. Lets see how they handle future production runs and new products from here on out. Less licensing, more quality!!
 
Well I have both Gt3 and G27 and say G27 is just as good as the GT3.(I prefer the g27 over Gt3) You can tell that even some things about fanatec wheel looks and feels cheap. (all wheels seems to take some short cuts to reduce price)
So far every Logitech wheel I've bought still works today including the first FFB wheel for PS2. (of course it not supported by most games any longer epsecially since it's missing the d pad and most of the controller buttons)

Of course CSP are more heavy and nicer than the g27 pedals yet even g27 pedals is far from being crap.

Well that´s your opinion. I refuse to call something good which has a built in deadzone. The FF doesn´t have anything near the fidelity of even a Fanatec.

You might not feel it but i do and the facts back it up.
They are reliable i´ll give you that. (the wheel, not the pedals)

The wheel list thing was just a joke - no offense meant by it. ;)

I do understand perfectly what you are saying. And I agree 100% with you the wheel is excellent, fanatastic even, or I would not be keeping my T500.

The insides might be the best there are in this price range, but the least they coul dhave done was make it look as good on the outside as it performs on the inside... that is all that is being suggested.

;) i know, just thought i´d give you a hard time there lol.

Agree, they could have made the outside better no doubt, but i guess the budget wasn´t enough, i really have no answer to that m8.

I think that there is no Right and Wrong here, there are only opinions, I find them all very valuable because I obviously have to make a good decision as I will be living with this for a while, always remember that we all have different need and requirements, the reason some people may think that this wheel is expensive is because (and I will use myself as an example), the only use for this will be on my PS3, I do not play games on my PC and once I am done with GT5 and NFS Shift, more than likely this thing will just sit as I wait for GT6 and NFS Shift 2.

If I relate this to Audio, you can have two pairs of speakers, be they High End or Low End with the exact same Frequency response, Total Harmonic Distortion, Same size Drivers (Tweeters, Midrange, Woofer), same Cross over Frequencies and they still are not going to sound the same or be equal, so you Cannot Just Read Specification Sheets and think that something is superior based on that!!!

As far as only the internal count, I don’t know if that holds true in this case, you must remember, This is supposed to simulate driving/racing. One thing we can agree on is that must race cars and high end cars have materials on the wheel that become stand Motorsport expectations and Leather/ Alcantara just happens to be one of them……So, as far as I am concerned, the first thing you do when designing a Racing Wheel is give it the materials that racers expect!!!

Everyone has and deservers their own opinion, the thing to remember is that your opinion is exactly that….YOURS, and no one can take that away, but we must respect other people’s !!!
That is just my personal opinion!

True, i´m sorry for what i said, of course it comes down to opinion.
But closing your eyes and just saying it´s overpriced is... well i´ll keep that word to myself lol.

If this "rubber" is so great, why cant I buy off the shelf professional race wheels with it? I was just at the SPARCO USA site, and all I found was leather and suede, didnt see an option for "the best rubber material as used on the T500RS".

Again, the point is that at the $600 price point the wheel could have been made to look as good as it functions for little to no extra cost.

To suggest that sude, Alcantara or leather are inhernetly inferior to this "new miracle rubber" is absurd.

But again, these are just opinions.

I strongly suggest you try a rubber wheel if you haven´t. they aren´t that bad and works great if your not sweating like a dog or planning on doing longer races.
Infact on my MOMO Force, the last problem i had was the rubber.

Suede or Alcantara is the best way of course. But if you buy a suede wheel you have to buy suede gloves since it wears out fast.

Nobody has said it´s inferior, just that everything is taken out of proportion here it seems.

Rav
Alacantra feels great but in the long run it is not practical as it beings to wear down. You have to use a brush on it every now and then. Using water is a no no. I have a alacantra steering wheel in my car and it is beginning to show signs of wear. Some people I know use driving gloves to keep the alacantra intact.

This is not true. You probably have a suede wheel.

Suede is leather, or more correctly the other side of leather. Basically you have the nice leather and on the other side the rough suede. It´s all leather and it wears fast without suede gloves.

Alcantara on the other hand is not leather. It´s a fabric.
And it does not need any care whatsoever.
I had Alcantara in my 320i from the factory and you can find it in cars from 320i to M3 CSL to 599 GTO.

It does not require any care and lasts just as long as other materials.

I'm not sure as I don't know a lot about thrustmaster but a lot of Internet talk says they are known for producing junk. Is this true or is it just the standard people who don't like it complain and those that do like it are too busy enjoying it to complain?

Yes they have been producing junk i agree but this time it´s different.
Now they had a mission to produce the best wheel on the market in this class specifically made for GT5.

So it´s a bit different then the other wheels they did which was very low-budget "slap on a ferrari sticker" type of wheels. Wheels not made for us can you say.

So the people that complain have no idea what type of wheel this is but eventually when the reviews get out they will also realise that this is something special.
 
The other thing that I am a little disappointed with is the fact that the wheel does not have some other material like leather as rubber just doesn’t make me feel like the product is high end, they could have used a design similar to the "Sparco Naxos Leather racing wheel", the two tone would give a more expensive classy look to the product.

Agreed. I think their best way is to have this as the cheap and/or default option and later do different SKU and/or accessory add-on/replacements... both in larger sizes, and different materials (alcantara, leather, mesh, colored stitching, etc) with or without sponsor/branding (Sparco, Momo, etc).
 
If this "rubber" is so great, why cant I buy off the shelf professional race wheels with it? I was just at the SPARCO USA site, and all I found was leather and suede, didnt see an option for "the best rubber material as used on the T500RS".

Again, the point is that at the $600 price point the wheel could have been made to look as good as it functions for little to no extra cost.

To suggest that sude, Alcantara or leather are inhernetly inferior to this "new miracle rubber" is absurd.

But again, these are just opinions.

The rubber suits THIS PARTICULAR WHEEL the best, and maybe you will see after market wheels w/ such rubber, again the point is that "looks" are a matter of personal taste, I much rather have my wheel looking like a lean mean metal machine w/ slick black rubber coating then a stuffed donut, I'm just pointing out what I see, "sorry if you can't handle the truth" ;) hahaha. Alcantera doesn't necessary look bad, but I think the T500 RS w/ it's black and red color scheme looks way sharper, but again, in the end it's not the looks that matter so much as the performance - that's the smart way to go about things where performance matters the most, obviously.

Leather probably IS inferior, especially for grip, comfortability, and wear resistance, others have stated the same in pervious pages on this matter, I haven't used alcantera, but I have seen other people state this wheel feels more useable than an alcantera-based wheel.

It really does come down to personal preference,but for performance and use, I've read this rubber material is the best overall, you may potentially perform better w/ alcantera, but that's just you, and if you can't handle that view, look a few pages back. I'm sure it's possible to, again, put alcantera on it if really wanted to, however, I'm curious what it would even look like forreal, not that I would want to, personally AFAIK.

You going to make any more videos of you racing w/ the T500? You should man, good to see people's videos of using this wheel.
 
Well that´s your opinion. I refuse to call something good which has a built in deadzone. The FF doesn´t have anything near the fidelity of even a Fanatec.

You might not feel it but i do and the facts back it up.
They are reliable i´ll give you that. (the wheel, not the pedals)
Now I can't tell you about your wheel but with mine (g27)when I go and drive go karts in GT5 I have feedback if I barely move it just a little bit from the center. If I drive some street cars with comfort tires I have dead zone with my Fanatec wheel. Thus most dead zone comes from the software itself.

Now I agree gears in general are more free than belts. Belts constantly applies some pressure to axis even when not in use while gears don't.
Both fanatec and logitech has no ffb on dead center as they can't apply pressure on both sides at the same time like a real steering wheel. ( I assume T500RS is the same way yet with greater precision this center zone can be much smaller) The only difference is the fanatec belt itself has more resistance (with no ffb) than G27 helical gears. This in turn muffs out some ffb effect you can feel more with gears.

P.S I do agree I would rather have leather than rubber.
 
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in the end it's not the looks that matter so much as the performance - that's the smart way to go about things where performance matters the most, obviously.

well i am dumb and what matters is fun first and foremost. appeareance is always nice as well, and it's all personal. you may like the rubber, but given the choice i would rather have leather. anyway i allready ordered the wheel, but if they do release moded leather wheels, you can bet your bottom dollar that i will get one. since it's detacheable hopefully that will happen as an option

just my 2cents
 
well i am dumb and what matters is fun first and foremost. appeareance is always nice as well, and it's all personal. you may like the rubber, but given the choice i would rather have leather. anyway i allready ordered the wheel, but if they do release moded leather wheels, you can bet your bottom dollar that i will get one. since it's detacheable hopefully that will happen as an option

just my 2cents

Hahaha, it wasn't meant to be taken as an insult, just saying that if you want the best performance, then the smarter choice would be to go w/ the rubber if it offers the best performance, but again, it ultimately comes down to personal preference, the black rubber IMO looks the best and if it performs the best then of course that's what I would prefer, but if you want leather than absolutely go for it.

If you're getting one of these wheels, then I will say you are one fortunate sone of a bitch ;) haha, seriously congrats and take some pics if you could.
 
Now I can't tell you about your wheel but with mine (g27)when I go and drive go karts in GT5 I have feedback if I barely move it just a little bit from the center. If I drive some street cars with comfort tires I have dead zone with my Fanatec wheel. Thus most dead zone comes from the software itself.

Now I agree gears in general are more free than belts. Belts constantly applies some pressure to axis even when not in use while gears don't.
Both fanatec and logitech has no ffb on dead center as they can't apply pressure on both sides at the same time like a real steering wheel. ( I assume T500RS is the same way yet with greater precision this center zone can be much smaller) The only difference is the fanatec belt itself has more resistance (with no ffb) than G27 helical gears. This in turn muffs out some ffb effect you can feel more with gears.

P.S I do agree I would rather have leather than rubber.

Well the people at PD knows about the built in deadzone in Logitechs wheels so they have made up for it.

The second thing is that GT5 or a PS3 game in general is a bad way of benchmarking FF.

You should try a game like Iracing which does this the best and i can tell you that the difference in feel is very clear. You don´t get the level of detail or the smoothness from helical gears that you do from belt driven wheels.

Yes there is a little pressure when you turn the wheel but this is not a problem because in real life you have alot of weight on your tyres which means that resistance on the wheel when standing still for example is not a bad thing. in my opinion adds to the immersion really.

The problem with GT5 or PD is that they really haven´t worked hard enough to really optimise these wheels. The logitech is supported aswell as the Fanatec. But that´s what they are only.. "compatible"
Meaning that the G27 is an ok wheel and the Fanatec you have to dial in the FF yourself for it to feel right and it´s still wrong since PD wont do the work properly.

The T500RS on the other hand is first of all built for maximum performance and built specifically for GT5. Probably developed alongside GT5 to really optimise GT5 for it. And if i´m not mistaken you have two belt drives in either side.

I strongly suggest trying out both wheels on Iracing for example where both wheels really are optimised for the game. Especially G27´s since that´s what the Staff use i believe. The Fanatec can feel like your driving thorugh mud sometimes because of the belt but that´s rare occasions. But the smoothness and the level of detail that you get from the wheel is way better then G27.

But as always there´s different opinions on this too so one wheel might feel more realistic and the other not so much and vice versa.

All i know is (without having seen one irl) is that the T500RS will blow these wheels out of the water. When they get the PC drivers fixed that´s when the wheel really starts to shine.
 
I imagine the wheel is being utilized to it's fullest via GT5, and I've read that GT5 and iRacing are very comparable in terms of FFB, so, respectably, I think the wheel is already shining to it's fullest or near fullest w/ GT5, however, for iRacing fans out there to have a wheel of this quality (from what I can infer thus far) at that price will definitely be incredible news I'm sure.
 
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I imagine the wheel is being utilized to it's fullest via GT5, and I've read that GT5 and iRacing are very comparable in terms of FFB, so, respectably, I think the wheel is already shining to it's fullest or near fullest w/ GT5, however, for iRacing fans out there to have a wheel of this quality (from what I can infer thus far) at that price will definitely be incredible news I'm sure.

I can buy the parts that the Thrustmaster will have the same fidelity in terms of FF on GT5 as Iracing.

But apart from that and with other wheels in comparison the FF is lightyears between GT5 and Iracing but that´s mainly due to the crappy job(or deliberate) PD has done to really maximise the FF and fidelity for those wheels etc.

So for sure, when you see a wheel like this pop up from nowhere and you play a game which imo does FF the best it just a matter of time before you have one.

I´m really looking forward to see just how good this wheel is on IRacing.


Heed these words ye olde PC simmers..... ;)

lol :D ok i exaggerated there abit since the wheel obviously is made to get the most out of GT5. But still, i think IRacing just has the edge on other companys in terms of FF and general feel of the cars.
 
just picked up the wheel earlier this week, definitely worth getting if you can afford it. I had been using the G25 and been very happy with it but the T500 RS is just another step above. It's hard to describe but the best way I can think of is the "feel" is much more realistic and direct. I just have this exhilarating feeling when im using the wheel and pedals. The feel of the pedals and the precise control you have over throttle and braking is exceptional. I apologize if my comments are not very descriptive but to give you some perspective with regards to my driving experience I am lvl 30 in Aspec, All gold for licenses, all gold nurburgring challenge and majority of special events. I also drive a modified NSX in real life and definitely not saying this to boost my ego, just want to give some perspective ^^;;; I don't usually post but wanted to share my experience with you guys 👍

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with regards to earlier comments about the "stepping on gum" feeling from the pedals. I was able to remedy this by sticking some thin foam rubber padding I had on the pedals and opposite contact patch. I also placed a piece opposite where the spring from the "realistic brake mod" contacts the base of the brake pedal. helps with the progressive feel of the brake mod. I highly recommend doing this and the feel you get from it is incredible.

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car in real life for those curious, please forgive me

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I can buy the parts that the Thrustmaster will have the same fidelity in terms of FF on GT5 as Iracing.

But apart from that and with other wheels in comparison the FF is lightyears between GT5 and Iracing but that´s mainly due to the crappy job(or deliberate) PD has done to really maximise the FF and fidelity for those wheels etc.

So for sure, when you see a wheel like this pop up from nowhere and you play a game which imo does FF the best it just a matter of time before you have one.

I´m really looking forward to see just how good this wheel is on IRacing.




lol :D ok i exaggerated there abit since the wheel obviously is made to get the most out of GT5. But still, i think IRacing just has the edge on other companys in terms of FF and general feel of the cars.


What are you saying? Do you mean because the T500 was optimized for GT5 that's why it's on par, THAT part's believable, look though, the link I read the dude was using a GT3 RS V2, and sounded like he knew what he was really talking about, actually. I think over on simracingtonight's forums people have said similar stuff, but it could have just been the physics and necessarily the FFB, too. And why the hell would PD *deliberately* nerf the FFB?; Really, that's just BS.

Sounds like you were blinded by fanboyism when you then admit that iRacing just had a slight edge w/ an UNOPTIMIZED wheel, think about it. But yeah either way GT5 w/ this wheel = some of the most realistic FFB ever afaik, so it's just awesome.
 
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Overdoser, what are you trying to do, make us want to come steal your life? Because that's sure what it seems like ;) Hahaha, naw forreal man BEAUTIFUL setup and glad to hear that GT5 w/ this wheel gives for an incredibly realistic driving experience, and it's even better coming from some one who has real world driving and (racing too?) experience under their belt, that's tight and righteous man.

This is just awesome. Big ups to Kaz and Thrustmaster I just gotta say, AWESOMEness :D B).

If you've played iRacing before, how does the FFB w/ that game w/ another wheel feel vs. GT5 w/ the T500? But yeah I really don't care as either way GT5 w/ this wheel = some of the most realistic FFB ever, yeah? Def. my preferred future sim setup no doubt B)


^^ I guess I'm kind of fanboying over GT5 but aye, if it's the truth it's the truth. B)
 
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Put this over the rubber wheel and all is ok.



:D

You can use this to improve your G25/G27 pedals. If you use this Leo Bodnar box, the G25/G27 pedals become a stand alone USB device. Some on the internet say that it even improves the accuracy of the G25/G27 wheel as well because the pedals are not connected to the wheel anymore.

Install this or this to the brake pedal and you'll have a perfect pedalset.
Granted the Perfect Pedal is too expensive.

Everyone whom want to replace the T500RS rubber wheel with a MOMO one, don't forget if you get a bigger wheel, you won't be able to reach the shifting pedals behind the wheel anymore.
 
Amazon UK shipping delayed as they still received no stock from the supplier. New dispatch estimate 16-17 Jan.

So no testing this weekend.

Actually email said "Estimated arrival date: January 18 2011 - January 19 2011"
 
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Overdoser, thats nice. Enjoyed reading your thoughts over the G25 and for you to find your getting a worthwhile upgrade in the T500RS. A Happy customer then?

Good to see you trying a little mod as well. Its worth looking into that.

One of the first things I planned to do was change the pedals.
Has anyone measured the distance for the four holes the pedals use?
Would be good to know what spacing they are apart for anyone perhaps also considering buying a suitable set. Or of course to work on a small mod for attaching them.

Ive already got a nice new Sparco set sitting waiting. Just not so keen on so much "Thrustmaster" advertising.

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Mr Latte your replacing the pedals because they say Thrustmaster on them? Is that a joke? You put your feet on them, they're metal, it's the companies name, what's the big deal? I can understand if you want a different feel, but what's the problem w/ them saying the companies name? lol No judgement, but I mean for the name that's just sound like a vandetta type thing, haha.
 
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Mr Latte your replacing the pedals because they say Thrustmaster on them? Is that a joke? You put your feet on them, they're metal, it's the companies name, what's the big deal? I can understand if you want a different feel, but what's the problem w/ them saying the companies name? lol No judgement, but I mean for the name that's just sound like a vandetta type thing, haha.


Well your right it is not a big deal at all.

However the cockpit Ive been working on for such a long time and already spent a small fortune on in components has gone to great lengths in the importance for me of its looks and styling.

It is not so much the "Thrustmaster" name/brand or the pedal plates supplied are poor. I just would like the look and idea of a proper motorsport brand and the chrome finish. If anything it will also match the chrome tubing of the cockpit Im using which looks great against the black plastic covered base and white led lighting.
 
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What are you saying? Do you mean because the T500 was optimized for GT5 that's why it's on par, THAT part's believable, look though, the link I read the dude was using a GT3 RS V2, and sounded like he knew what he was really talking about, actually. I think over on simracingtonight's forums people have said similar stuff, but it could have just been the physics and necessarily the FFB, too. And why the hell would PD *deliberately* nerf the FFB?; Really, that's just BS.

Sounds like you were blinded by fanboyism when you then admit that iRacing just had a slight edge w/ an UNOPTIMIZED wheel, think about it. But yeah either way GT5 w/ this wheel = some of the most realistic FFB ever afaik, so it's just awesome.

Honestly? I don´t think any game ever produced comes close to the fidelity and FF that IRacing produces. The T500RS brings out everything GT5 has to offer. And yes i think that when the PC drivers arrive that´s when you´ll get that extra bit off FF because imo nobody does FF and fidelity as good as Iracing. If you had tried the game isntead of reading what everybody else say it would make things alot easier.

It sounds like you haven´t even tried any of the wheels i´ve mentioned that really sucks on GT5. (yes they work ok but compared to T500RS they suck)

I never said that that was the case, i said they might have done that. Do you see the Fanatec wheel in game for example? I never said they nerfed it, i said that might have. But the fact of the matter is that the wheels are basically just "compatible" while a wheel like T500RS really brings out everything GT5 can offer.

But then it comes to PD vs Iracing. PS3 vs PC. I don´t think GT5 can produce the same level of feedback and fidelity compared to a PC game. Or more specifically, Iracing.
The physics model is not even close to that of IRacing. That also helps with feel and details in FF etc.


When the wheel gets it PC drivers IRacing will have optimized it in a matter of days. And it even sounds like you haven´t tried Iracing so why am i discussing with you again?

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Question to the owner of this wheel, On my GT3RSV2, if i try to shift with the paddles with one finger as far away form the center as possible, it wont shift.

Will these paddles shift with one finger at either the top of the paddle or the bottom? Just wondering if the paddle itself flex like on my Fanatec.

Also, could you do a close up video, showing all the details etc?
 
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