The topic of loyalty?

[C_Raccoon23]

Nobody is turning it into a GT vs FM war. I simply said this, "What GT5 lacks, FM4 has and vice versa."
How is that turning it into a war. I can't mention another game without somebody getting offended or what? Like I said, you guys really need to relax on the whole GT5 vs FM4 thing. As a whole, no one game is better than the other. They each have their pros and cons like I said before.

That's why the word "if" is there. Knowing from experience, a thread that has the smallest comparison of GT & Forza can turn ugly, hence why I posted the link just in case. Some people don't have the maturity to discuss this type of thing in a civil manner which is a big reason why threads get closed.

And I necessarily wasn't talking about you.

I know, lighten up! What's funny is that when ex GT5 players return to GTP to bash GT5, it makes me less interested in F**za. Like they're being defensive.

BTW: What's an XCM adapter? thanks.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=185223

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

That's why the word "if" is there. Knowing from experience, a thread that has the smallest comparison of GT & Forza can turn ugly, hence why I posted the link just in case. Some people don't have the maturity to discuss this type of thing in a civil manner which is a big reason why threads get closed.

And I necessarily wasn't talking about you.



https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=185223

Alright, no problem then.

 

[Morgoth_666]

Maybe you haven't grasped the meaning of loyalty

Loyalty means you will always be likely to buy a GT game and give it a proper chance. It doesn't mean you'll never play another racing game as long as you live. It also means you will point out any flaws you see in the game in the hopes that the game will improve in future iterations.

Loyalty means you'll always root for your favorite team, it doesn't mean you'll never play as a different team in the appropriate sports game, or that you'll never watch a different sport or play a different sports game. Or even that you won't root a little for another team once yours is eliminated from championship contention.

Loyalty means you'll always buy a new release by your favorite band and see them when they come to town, it doesn't mean you'll never learn how to play a song by anyone else.

I'm a loyal GT fan and I have played and enjoyed some of the NFS games, RD3, GRID, Wipeout HD, rFactor, Tokyo Extreme Racer and several other racing games since beginning to play GT. I'll gladly check out any "sim" racer competition on PS3 as well. I would even check out Forza if given the opportunity.

Maybe you're confusing loyalty with obsessiveness or worship?



On a side note, not all Fanatec wheels will work with the XBOX either, mine won't. I'm pretty sure it's only the ones that cost the extra that Microsoft demands to allow the compatibilty.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Loyalty means you will always be likely to buy a GT game and give it a proper chance. It doesn't mean you'll never play another racing game as long as you live. It also means you will point out any flaws you see in the game in the hopes that the game will improve in future iterations.

Loyalty means you'll always root for your favorite team, it doesn't mean you'll never play as a different team in the appropriate sports game, or that you'll never watch a different sport or play a different sports game. Or even that you won't root a little for another team once yours is eliminated from championship contention.

Loyalty means you'll always buy a new release by your favorite band and see them when they come to town, it doesn't mean you'll never learn how to play a song by anyone else.

I'm a loyal GT fan and I have played and enjoyed some of the NFS games, RD3, GRID, Wipeout HD, rFactor, Tokyo Extreme Racer and several other racing games since beginning to play GT. I'll gladly check out any "sim" racer competition on PS3 as well. I would even check out Forza if given the opportunity.

Maybe you're confusing loyalty with obsessiveness or worship?



On a side note, not all Fanatec wheels will work with the XBOX either, mine won't. I'm pretty sure it's only the ones that cost the extra that Microsoft demands to allow the compatibilty.

What wheel do you own because as far as I know, all Fanatecs are XBox compatable.

 

[mcfizzle]

Their top end wheel, the CSW, is not XBox compatible. This is a whole different discussion but Microsoft needs to ditch that practice for 720/Durango.

 

[Morgoth_666]

I have the Porsche GT3 wheel. The GT2 is XBOX compatible and costs extra for it despite being (from what I've read at least) otherwise identical. I'm not sure about the older ones. Isn't one of the main differences between the CSR and CSR Elite that only the Elite is XBOX compatible? There's good information about this in the Sim Racing Hardware section of the forums if you wish to find out more.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Their top end wheel, the CSW, is not XBox compatible. This is a whole different discussion but Microsoft needs to ditch that practice for 720/Durango.

Ah, ok. I just ordered the CSR Elite wheel and pedals. Should be here any day now.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I have the Porsche GT3 wheel. The GT2 is XBOX compatible and costs extra for it despite being (from what I've read at least) otherwise identical. I'm not sure about the older ones. Isn't one of the main differences between the CSR and CSR Elite that only the Elite is XBOX compatible? There's good information about this in the Sim Racing Hardware section of the forums if you wish to find out more.

No, both the CSR and CSR Elite are both XBox compatable, I do know that.

 

[Bluntified]

Back to topic, I'm Loyal to the GT series but still play other games in between. I find that when I leave it for a few days then come back, it feels so much better! I've been playing NFS Most wanted right now, I know it's VERY arcady but it's a good to just pick up and play (very disappointed with the no wheel support (G27)). Now, when I go back to GT5, I have more appreciation for what it offers! I know GT5 has it's glitches but compared to most, it's not that bad (couldn't sign into the Autolog all day but GT5 ran smooth!).

 

[JohnBM01]

I have played every major Gran Turismo title as well as Tourist Trophy for as long as I can remember (since maybe 1998 or 1999). I have completed at least 75% of every major Gran Turismo including Tourist Trophy. It used to be that Gran Turismo 2 was the most disappointing one for me- a few more different styles of races and some other things would have made it better. But playing through and thinking about GT5, this one has actually disappointed me more than GT2. What's the difference? I still play GT2 from time-to-time, mostly to add to fuel interest in my GT blog. GT5... I don't know. I don't really seem too compelled to play and enjoy the game as much as I used to.

Now on to the deal about being a "fanboy/fangirl" and loyalty. Let me put it this way. If I didn't give a crap about Gran Turismo, I wouldn't have joined GTPlanet in December 2003. I wouldn't have made my own blog and other material regarding Gran Turismo. I am well aware of other racing games besides Gran Turismo. And while I am a Gran Turismo fan, I am not a fan to the extent where I would rate any Gran Turismo- even with any flaws a game may have- over any more hardcore arcade racer or any other hardcore sim racer. For instance, I love rFactor; but Gran Turismo is still my favorite racing game series. SEGA Super GT- also called SEGA SCUD (Super Car Ultimate Drive) Race- is my favorite arcade racing game. Does it mean I'm blind or disregarding of any other racing game or racing game series? Not at all. Heck, I even label myself the biggest Forza Motorsport fan though my only FM experience is with FM1 and playing the FM2 demo. There was even a point where I laughed at my fellow GTPlaneteers when they regarded FM1 to be better than GT4 after I was terribly disappointed with the FM1 demo. But over time, I began to respect Forza more than I used to. Even with the move from resentment to respect, Gran Turismo is still the racing game series I love most.

The main point of this "wall of text" is that I have, still, and will continue to support and love the Gran Turismo series. GT5 could have been much better and have a much more lasting impact. But for what it is, it is still a Gran Turismo title; and I still love the game and the series even if I'm disappointed with GT5. So my loyalty remains strong. My only deal is that most other people just hate on a game and not offer anything helpful as far as how it could be better. I think differently. I want the best possible experience whenever I power on any PlayStation and play any Gran Turismo. GT6 obviously will have to correct a lot of misses GT5 had. While than go on an epic rage, I challenge and entertain certain ideas and concepts to hopefully deliver that dream experience that will keep the gameplay going for a long while.


I am a GT fan. Always have been. Ain't no fanboy or bandwagon in me.

 

[Morgoth_666]

No, both the CSR and CSR Elite are both XBox compatable, I do know that.

Yes, you're right about that one. I could have sworn I had read differently, but I didn't pay that much attention since I had only recently purchased mine when discussion of those two started to get going.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Yes, you're right about that one. I could have sworn I had read differently, but I didn't pay that much attention since I had only recently purchased mine when discussion of those two started to get going.

Yea, I just researched both of them wheels myself before making my decision to go with the Elite.

 

[analog]

The strangest thing regarding the OP is that he does own an XBox and a copy of Forza 4 but refuses to play it, that's not loyalty but a waste of money.
If I currently had an XBox and Forza 4 at my disposal, I'd be trying it immediately and would probably switch between both games or develop a preference for either.

And why does loyalty even play a role anymore in this case (as if it ever should play a role in this context), you already bought the stuff from the main competitor, you might as well play it (since the 'damage' has been done, you supported the main rival as well ).

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

The strangest thing regarding the OP is that he does own an XBox and a copy of Forza 4 but refuses to play it, that's not loyalty but a waste of money.
If I currently had an XBox and Forza 4 at my disposal, I'd be trying it immediately and would probably switch between both games or develop a preference for either.

And why does loyalty even play a role anymore in this case (as if it ever should play a role in this context), you already bought the stuff from the main competitor, you might as well play it (since the 'damage' has been done, you supported the main rival as well ).

Yea, that part has intriged me too. Seems he is not as loyal as he says he is, lol.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

The strangest thing regarding the OP is that he does own an XBox and a copy of Forza 4 but refuses to play it, that's not loyalty but a waste of money.
If I currently had an XBox and Forza 4 at my disposal, I'd be trying it immediately and would probably switch between both games or develop a preference for either.

And why does loyalty even play a role anymore in this case (as if it ever should play a role in this context), you already bought the stuff from the main competitor, you might as well play it (since the 'damage' has been done, you supported the main rival as well ).

The irony.

 

[another_jakhole]

I'm fine..really, lol. It's like if you mention Forza in these forums tho, everyone gets all defensive tho like its some taboo thing. But, I can post in the Forza forums and mention GT5 and noone really thinks twice about it. Whats that tell you, lol.

GTP members that can only play or only like GT games are in the majority. If we started off with Forza and then thought it was crap, so we turn to GT and love it, why would we be going to the Forza forum to start trouble? There wouldn't be any trouble if the people who call Forza "that other game" (which it often came from Forza users) and if they stopped inciting arguments. Kaz created GT, this is a Gran Turismo fan site, don't you think "fanboys" have reason to go on the offense when someone says some crap about him? This is an example.

That doesn't mean they're the only guilty ones. I have to say that or else.

 

[Flaco13]

The strangest thing regarding the OP is that he does own an XBox and a copy of Forza 4 but refuses to play it, that's not loyalty but a waste of money.
If I currently had an XBox and Forza 4 at my disposal, I'd be trying it immediately and would probably switch between both games or develop a preference for either.

And why does loyalty even play a role anymore in this case (as if it ever should play a role in this context), you already bought the stuff from the main competitor, you might as well play it (since the 'damage' has been done, you supported the main rival as well ).

It is a waste of money, lol. I know because beeing in this exact position of owning an Xbox and a copy of FM4, for some strange reason I just don't play it that much. I thought about it beeing that I don't have a Xbox compatible wheel, but I find myself using the DS3 pad for some quick racing on GT5 and enjoy it, still don't do it with FM4... It also has nothing to do with feeling a need to be "loyal" to one game/developer in my case. I like FM4, just can't figure out why I don't play it anymore.

Regarding other games, I bought "The Run" played it maybe 3hrs and never touched it again, I might pick it up some day and put it in to play it again tho, it's not that it isn't fun.
I love Red Dead Redemption and I did enjoy Wipe out HD for quite a while aswell as the GTA series (can't wait for GTA V) and I am certainly going to buy the new SimCity once released.

edit: oh my 500th

 

[mcfizzle]

GTP members that can only play or only like GT games are in the majority.

And where where you getting that info?

That doesn't mean they're the only guilty ones. I have to say that or else.

Or else what?

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

GTP members that can only play or only like GT games are in the majority. If we started off with Forza and then thought it was crap, so we turn to GT and love it, why would we be going to the Forza forum to start trouble? There wouldn't be any trouble if the people who call Forza "that other game" (which it often came from Forza users) and if they stopped inciting arguments. Kaz created GT, this is a Gran Turismo fan site, don't you think "fanboys" have reason to go on the offense when someone says some crap about him? This is an example.

That doesn't mean they're the only guilty ones. I have to say that or else.

Look friend, I'm not trying to start trouble here and I don't go to the Forza site to start trouble there either so I'm not sure why you're jumping on my ass. I can speak unbiased about either game as I like them both for different reasons. I don't go around bashing either game. As I said before, they each have their respective pros and cons. I have never talked crap about either game, only gave constructive critism.
And yes, people do have a right to stand up for their favorite game, but not to the point that it becomes an all out bash fest. Ever heard of talking these things over like a mature adults instead of immature bashing. Thats all I'm trying to say here.

 

[JK83]

No loyal fanboy here.. I play most of my time other games, I just take couple shots on DT's when new ones starts and that's all..

 

[FormulaKimball]

Yea, I just researched both of them wheels myself before making my decision to go with the Elite.

Do let us know your thoughts on it, when you get it. How it feels in GT5 vs your previous wheel, how it feels in other games, etc.

My second DF GT wheel has about had it (with no help from my percussive maintenance during certain recent Time Trials that show you the DF GT's frustrating limitations), and I'm tempted to replace it again since it's relatively cheap (though I don't really want to give Logitech any more money), but I want to hold out for the CSR Elite. I did go to some trouble to modify a G25 pedal board so it plugs right to the DF GT though so you know, comfortable shoes sort of thing.

That's the other aspect of my perspective on GT5: I wonder how much of my enjoyment of it (or occasional lack thereof) is due to my gear, and how much the experience could improve with a better wheel, sound system, cockpit...

 

[mcfizzle]

That's the other aspect of my perspective on GT5: I wonder how much of my enjoyment of it (or occasional lack thereof) is due to my gear, and how much the experience could improve with a better wheel, sound system, cockpit...

I loved GT1-4 using DS controllers, I loved prologue and GT5 with my DFP, but the different upgrades I have made take it to whole new level. I added a Playseat GT, T500, 3D TV, and Buttkicker Gamer 2 and it's just can't be beat. Problem is, once you start adding you never stop, there is always something that catches your eye. Triple Screens will be my next upgrade but not for a while now. That's not to say someone can't enjoy it just as much with DS3 or DFGT though.

 

[photonrider]

I have been playing since the first GT came out.

Even though I have had access to other systems or even other racing games, I refuse to play them.

Even now, GT5 is getting boring, I have an Xbox with Forza 4, but I still don't play it lol

Friends asking me to play the new need for speed but I dont.

The only game I have on PS3 is GT5.

If I get bored with GT5 I just turn off the PS3 and do something else lol

Enjoy. You got what you want.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

It is a waste of money, lol. I know because beeing in this exact position of owning an Xbox and a copy of FM4, for some strange reason I just don't play it that much. I thought about it beeing that I don't have a Xbox compatible wheel, but I find myself using the DS3 pad for some quick racing on GT5 and enjoy it, still don't do it with FM4... It also has nothing to do with feeling a need to be "loyal" to one game/developer in my case. I like FM4, just can't figure out why I don't play it anymore.

Eh, but it's still only your opinion on a waste of money. I bought a 360 just over a year ago solely for the Forza series, and not counting Netflix usage, it's on far more than my PS3 is. FM3 came with it, and I've got the LCE's of FM4 and FH, both of which get plenty of play time. I don't think I've gone more than maybe 3 days without playing FM4 prior to Horizon's release actually, meanwhile GT5 hasn't been on since... The 2.07 update? Maybe earlier?

The funny thing is I mostly bought the PS3 for GT5; it was purchased July 2010. I prefer PS exclusives to XBox ones, so I was always going to get a Sony system first, but I waited until a firm release date was announced for the game I was likely to play most. Then it got delayed of course, but that's another topic

I will never understand this "loyalty" stuff either. These aren't religions, or wives; GT5 isn't hurt if you play other games, and since you've already bought it, you can't very well remove the money that's gone to the associated parties. In these bizarre obsessive actions, I'm always curious if it's to intentionally avoid experiencing features in other games that these "loyalists" know they would enjoy. That's pretty bizarre behavior over a video game.

I've said it before: competition breeds excellence, and I'm happy that the GT franchise's dominating status from the PS1 days has eroded. It forces them to (at least try to) improve, and in the end, we benefit. The more racing games to play, the better.

EDIT: I changed the title: we try to avoid the derogatory term "fanboy", and I ask that others do the same.

 

[JackC8]

Shift 2 Unleashed is easily my favorite racing game this gen, followed by Shift 1. I really enjoyed F1 2010 as well, and I'd like to get the latest Dirt game as I've never played one of those and they look fun.

I'm thinking I'll probably get a 360 next summer so I can play Forza. How's that for loyalty?

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Eh, but it's still only your opinion on a waste of money. I bought a 360 just over a year ago solely for the Forza series, and not counting Netflix usage, it's on far more than my PS3 is. FM3 came with it, and I've got the LCE's of FM4 and FH, both of which get plenty of play time. I don't think I've gone more than maybe 3 days without playing FM4 prior to Horizon's release actually, meanwhile GT5 hasn't been on since... The 2.07 update? Maybe earlier?

The funny thing is I mostly bought the PS3 for GT5; it was purchased July 2010. I prefer PS exclusives to XBox ones, so I was always going to get a Sony system first, but I waited until a firm release date was announced for the game I was likely to play most. Then it got delayed of course, but that's another topic

I will never understand this "loyalty" stuff either. These aren't religions, or wives; GT5 isn't hurt if you play other games, and since you've already bought it, you can't very well remove the money that's gone to the associated parties. In these bizarre obsessive actions, I'm always curious if it's to intentionally avoid experiencing features in other games that these "loyalists" know they would enjoy. That's pretty bizarre behavior over a video game.

I've said it before: competition breeds excellence, and I'm happy that the GT franchise's dominating status from the PS1 days has eroded. It forces them to (at least try to) improve, and in the end, we benefit. The more racing games to play, the better.

EDIT: I changed the title: we try to avoid the derogatory term "fanboy", and I ask that others do the same.

Very, very well said. Could'nt agree more.

 

[another_jakhole]

Look friend, I'm not trying to start trouble here and I don't go to the Forza site to start trouble there either so I'm not sure why you're jumping on my ass. I can speak unbiased about either game as I like them both for different reasons. I don't go around bashing either game. As I said before, they each have their respective pros and cons. I have never talked crap about either game, only gave constructive critism.
And yes, people do have a right to stand up for their favorite game, but not to the point that it becomes an all out bash fest. Ever heard of talking these things over like a mature adults instead of immature bashing. Thats all I'm trying to say here.

WHOA, I didn't mean it to sound like that. I didn't group you in either one and wasn't talking about you at any time.

And where where you getting that info?

haha that came out wrong. They're in the majority on this site. If you think not, then... I don't know.

Or else what?

"apologist, DEFENDIST! (lol). We're not the only ones responsible."

In a way, that's what will be replied.
It always happens that people take things literally. Spelling everything out is mandatory.

Very, very well said. Could'nt agree more.

Same here.

 

[analog]

I will never understand this "loyalty" stuff either. These aren't religions

Yet to some it seems like they are and it might be stronger in this case (Forza/GT) due to them being made for different consoles.
That means most have to make a choice and perhaps it's often just a classic case of the cognitive dissonance theory at work being disguised as 'loyalty'.

 

[P0UP0N]

I myself am waiting for the new Hitman game as GT5 has lost all luster with me. Hell, I still haven't even done the update.

 

[sporkafife]

GT5 is a good game. But there are plenty of other good games on the PS3 and the Xbox. Why limit yourself to only playing GT5 when you can play God of War, Killzone, Halo, Forza, F1 and a raft of other great games.

I'm loyal to GT5 in the sense that I still play it and love it, but there's plenty of other amazing games that I play