The topic of loyalty?

[Tornado]

No offense, and maybe you're trying to make a point, but saying PD gives a damn about their product is something that can't be argued. Of course they do, but only because it pays the bills. If they weren't making money, they'd move on to something else. The staff there work endlessly on it because Kaz signs their paycheques to do so. They may also love their work and love the brand, but when the paycheques stop, they hit the road.

I'm not entirely sure what your point is with this. It shouldn't be news that no one at PD is so dedicated to the GT series that they would forgo their ability to live.


That still doesn't make them the same as, say, EA Tiburon in the developer caring scale.

 

[Bluntified]

Snip...

Tend to resort to petty annoyance replies when backed against the wall. Usually grammar attacks and non-replies.

"Final Fantasy VII is the best RPG ever!"
"Ocarina of Time is the best game ever!"
"Linux is the best OS ever!"
"Xbox is the best console ever!"
"Dragonball Z is the best show ever!"

The sad thing is, fanboys don't realize, that these companies that fuel their passion, don't really give a damn about us. To me, defending a multi-national corporation like their your own family, is ridiculous. These organizations don't come to your house and help you when you're sick, they don't help you move, or drive you to the airport. They don't support you in any way. It's a business, not a friendship. As soon as you can no longer buy their product, you disappear to them.


Funny type of people those fanboys are, lol.

Linux DOES care about the public! They don't help you in ways you described BUT it's a user based OS that is developed solely on us, the people! So technically speaking, they are only about the people, FOR FREE!! I must be a fanboy then, in your opinion.

I for one am all about brand loyalty, call it stupid, that's the way I am. I'm not a "fanboy" to those brands, I can always see their faults but the good usually outweights the bad.

I prefer Android over iOS because it caters better to me, not because I'm a fanboy, so I'll stay loyal to it and look out for future releases!

I prefer Ubuntu over Windows because I have more control over MY operating system, not because I'm a fanboy!

I prefer Burger King over Mc Donalds because it tastes better to me, not because I'm a fanboy!

The point I'm trying to get across here is the difference between "Brand Loyalty" to being a "Fanboy". I've been with my cell phone provider (Telus) for the past 10 years now, I never had an issue with them so I stay loyal to them, they reward loyalty (just got an S3 for $199.99 with NO contract, how's that for rewarding )(as most companies)!

So you are right when you say they don't "come to your house and help you when you are sick", but who does lol? When I'm sick, no one comes to help me, my wife does that! I'd find it kinda weird for someone else to come help. Just so you know, I know where you're going but just bad examples.

 

[P917K23]

Interesting post OP.

I can understand your sense of loyalty. For me, I have had a sense of loyalty to Playstation although in reality it is not so much loyalty as it is preference, as the product has always been superior for me.

Ever since I bought the original Playstation, I have never strayed from the platform. In fact, the reason I purchased the Playstation was because of the first ever Gran Turismo poster I saw in a gaming magazine back in 1998. I have never turned back since owning the PS2, PS3, and all the Gran Turismo titles, including Tourist Trophy.

As far as loyalty goes to the GranTurismo series, as great of a series as it is, you are simply limiting yourself from the many varied experiences out there. I am sure PD would appreciate the gesture yet it really makes no difference to anyone but yourself. In conclusion, although most racing titles out there can suck a fat one, I would say Enjoy!

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I don't use that definition and only use it when it's obvious that I'm not calling myself an ignorant . Pretty sure in my first post I explain why I am one and then with the post right above yours saying I'm not blind to what GT5 or the GT series isn't. It's imperfect and always will be. Until I say GT is the best and nothing is more fun, then let's consider me to be the non-blind fanboy. The only time people care to use "fanboy" is for offence.

ALL of my posts (edit - I thought Page 4 was the first page for some reason) are on display on this page if you care to look through them all again. Why would I call myself a fanboy in the sense that you use? The last statement in my first post is in reference to the member who made a post right after my first one (Page 4, not my first post though).

Edit -

Damn, I didn't remember I made other posts before the one when I said DBZ is the best. lmao YOU'RE the old guy . I forgot. I was in a haze yesterday.

Then you are a fan of GT, not a "fanboy" as per the definition. Two different things, which is my point.

 

[KinLM]

Nobody is turning it into a GT vs FM war. I simply said this, "What GT5 lacks, FM4 has and vice versa."
How is that turning it into a war. I can't mention another game without somebody getting offended or what? Like I said, you guys really need to relax on the whole GT5 vs FM4 thing. As a whole, no one game is better than the other. They each have their pros and cons like I said before.

Can't agree more.

I've been dying for people to realize that these games are really quite equal, they lack what the other one has. They're not really even comparable because they're just so different, and I wish that people would stop complaining and just shut up and play.

 

[machschnel]

Loyalty

For something you payed for



Save your loyalty for your fellow man..... or better yet, a dog.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Can't agree more.

I've been dying for people to realize that these games are really quite equal, they lack what the other one has. They're not really even comparable because they're just so different, and I wish that people would stop complaining and just shut up and play.

Nice to see someone around here gets it.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I've been dying for people to realize that these games are really quite equal, they lack what the other one has.

This statement doesn't make much sense when it's quite possible for someone to choose one completely over the other.

They're not really even comparable because they're just so different, and I wish that people would stop complaining and just shut up and play.

I fail to see that when they have a lot in common. I also don't see why your last statement was necessary.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

This statement doesn't make much sense when it's quite possible for someone to choose one completely over the other.



I fail to see that when they have a lot in common.

Although they are both games in the racing genre, Forza is more geared toward the racing aspect and GT5 is more toward driving, hence the subname, "The Real Driving Simulator." Thats all I will say about it as not to turn this thread off topic. We can take this discussion further if you wish in the appropiate thread.

 

[PAPPACLART]

GT5 has sat in my PS3 for almost 2 years, may have came out a few times though nothing to do with silly loyalty. I really want to pick up Borderlands 2 as I really enjoyed the 1st

 

[Raitziger]

To me GT5 is not a "game". Although I play other driving games, I get usually bored with them quickly. I actually managed to forget that I have Forza horizon (but that is much less boring than F4 to me)
Also time is limited and people have to make choices what to play. I get my other games mainly via PSN+ subscription.

 

[Samus]

The thing is even if you don't want to tar someone with "that" word, there are still several levels of 'fan'. Some will love the game, have no real issue with it and exist happily on a forum with people that don't like it. Some will like it but have issues with it and express those issues. Then you have the people that love the game and feel the need to defend it to the nth degree whenever someone says something negative. Despite not making the game or having any affiliation they get a strange urge to defend the issues, as if they must jump in to defend the game they love at any cost, they cannot bear to see it tarnished.

 

[Snakebitten]

Loyalty?.........to a GAME/PLATFORM????? As was said why limit yourself. I understand being fond of a game, even loving it. But to feel a sense of loyalty to an inanimate object that can not appreciate that sentiment nor return it? Nah, especially after this "effort" by PD. Whoever puts out the best, polished product will get my money. I'm loyal to who takes the players and their hard earned money seriously. All of the platforms have great games. Have fun with them if you can financially afford to.

 

[mr_serious]

The thing is even if you don't want to tar someone with "that" word, there are still several levels of 'fan'.

That's true some fans are actually fanatics

How about PD's loyalty to their fanbase?

Personally I feel like PD have dumped me and my foolish desire for configurability, practise & qualifying before a race, standing starts, and decent off-line competitors for someone younger, more impressed with bling who prefers to believe the marketing on the cover than make an objective and independent valuation of their work.

We were together for so long and now they have dumped me for someone young and shallow

Let's hope they come running back with something that tries to simulate racing rather than just driving feel.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm not entirely sure what your point is with this. It shouldn't be news that no one at PD is so dedicated to the GT series that they would forgo their ability to live.

If you look at what I said in context I'm basically saying that applying human emotions to a corporation or people within a corporation in regards to their product is silly. PD doesn't care about us, they are making business decisions in their best interest and if aligns with making their customer base happy then that's great but it's not a prerequisite. Do you think if Forza came along and said, "Here Mr. Kaz, here's $300,000,000, get lost", Mr. Kaz would turn to them and say, "Sorry guys, that's double what my share is worth but I love my customers too much so I'll have to pass"

I run a service business and deal with on average, about 40 customers a week. I love what I do, I really like most of my customers and I do a good job for them. If they don't pay their bill, they may as well be invisible...lol. When it comes to business, everything is in context with where the money goes. As much as I like my customers, and enjoy the work, if I could make twice as much money for the same amount of work, but for only half my customers, then I'd have half the customers I have now, regardless of how much I like them.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

If you look at what I said in context I'm basically saying that applying human emotions to a corporation or people within a corporation in regards to their product is silly. PD doesn't care about us, they are making business decisions in their best interest and if aligns with making their customer base happy then that's great but it's not a prerequisite. Do you think if Forza came along and said, "Here Mr. Kaz, here's $300,000,000, get lost", Mr. Kaz would turn to them and say, "Sorry guys, that's double what my share is worth but I love my customers too much so I'll have to pass"

I run a service business and deal with on average, about 40 customers a week. I love what I do, I really like most of my customers and I do a good job for them. If they don't pay their bill, they may as well be invisible...lol. When it comes to business, everything is in context with where the money goes. As much as I like my customers, and enjoy the work, if I could make twice as much money for the same amount of work, but for only half my customers, then I'd have half the customers I have now, regardless of how much I like them.

Well said there Johnny.

 

[another_jakhole]

Same could be said about sports. Almost never is an athlete from the city that he plays for. This whole world is a lie. And it's not like we're praising Greenawalt whom we know nothing about. Kaz has been around for over a decade with his interviews and all. AND if we're passionate about a hobby of ours, why is it wrong to praise the hell out of the people that helped make that hobby happen? NFSU/2 was "my hobby" for a couple years until Most Wanted came out (eww).

If you look at what I said in context I'm basically saying that applying human emotions to a corporation or people within a corporation in regards to their product is silly. PD doesn't care about us, they are making business decisions in their best interest and if aligns with making their customer base happy then that's great but it's not a prerequisite. Do you think if Forza came along and said, "Here Mr. Kaz, here's $300,000,000, get lost", Mr. Kaz would turn to them and say, "Sorry guys, that's double what my share is worth but I love my customers too much so I'll have to pass"

I run a service business and deal with on average, about 40 customers a week. I love what I do, I really like most of my customers and I do a good job for them. If they don't pay their bill, they may as well be invisible...lol. When it comes to business, everything is in context with where the money goes. As much as I like my customers, and enjoy the work, if I could make twice as much money for the same amount of work, but for only half my customers, then I'd have half the customers I have now, regardless of how much I like them.

That's just total bull. He would tell them to get lost.

Sorry, but that is FAR FAR from being the same thing.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Same could be said about sports. Almost never is an athlete from the city that he plays for. This whole world is a lie. And it's not like we're praising Greenawalt whom we know nothing about. Kaz has been around for over a decade with his interviews and all. AND if we're passionate about a hobby of ours, why is it wrong to praise the hell out of the people that helped make that hobby happen? NFSU/2 was "my hobby" for a couple years until Most Wanted came out (eww).


That's just total bull. He would tell them to get lost.

Sorry, but that is FAR FAR from being the same thing.

Sounds like you are in a bit of denial here. Look around. The whole world is a money driven enterprise. You can bet your ass he would take that money.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Sounds like you are in a bit of denial here. Look around. The whole world is a money driven enterprise. You can bet your ass he would take that money.

If the money was offered for just him, not PDI, I doubt Kaz is type of guy doing his job just for money, and I reckon he will most likely decline such an offer but no such offer will be made anyway. If money was offered to PDI / Sony, they will just laugh at the relative small sum.

 

[occasionalracer]

If the money was offered for just him, not PDI, I doubt Kaz is type of guy doing his job just for money, and I reckon he will most likely decline such an offer but no such offer will be made anyway. If money was offered to PDI / Sony, they will just laugh at the relative small sum.

👍

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

If the money was offered for just him, not PDI, I doubt Kaz is type of guy doing his job just for money, and I reckon he will most likely decline such an offer but no such offer will be made anyway. If money was offered to PDI / Sony, they will just laugh at the relative small sum.

Ok, let me re-phraise myself a bit. I have no doubt that Kaz loves his game and what he is doing. But, in the end, anything can be bought. If he was offered the right amount of money, regardless of his fans, he would sell in a heartbeat. Thats what I'm trying to say here.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Ok, let me re-phraise myself a bit. I have no doubt that Kaz loves his game and what he is doing. But, in the end, anything can be bought. If he was offered the right amount of money, regardless of his fans, he would sell in a heartbeat. Thats what I'm trying to say here.

I doubt Kaz will be in charge of a decision like that, Sony will most likely and to buy their flagship PlayStation franchise, it sure must be an offer in the region of quite a few billion $ to even start considering it. I still think Kaz will not sell up if he was in charge if that sum was offered, and I reckon Sony won't too unless it is a ridiculous offer, in the region of tens of billion $. The reason it will be accepted will be only if in best interests of the company. Only way this scenario will happen in the future if my opinion is if Apple come into video game business but even then it is still unrealistic proposition as you could build a much better competing product for that kind of money. For cheaper sale value, Gran Turismo series will have flop in sales in the future quite a bit.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I doubt Kaz will be in charge of a decision like that, Sony will most likely and to buy their flagship PlayStation franchise, it sure must be an offer in the region of quite a few billion $ to even start considering it. I still think Kaz will not sell up if he was in charge if that sum was offered, and I reckon Sony won't too unless it is a ridiculous offer, in the region of tens of billion $. The reason it will be accepted will be only if in best interests of the company. Only way this scenario will happen in the future if my opinion is if Apple come into video game business but even then it is still unrealistic proposition as you could build a much better competing product for that kind of money. For cheaper sale value, Gran Turismo series will have flop in sales in the future quite a bit.

And your probably right about all this, but all I'm saying is that everything has its price, period.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

And your probably right about all this, but all I'm saying is that everything has its price, period.

You are right to an extent if regarding most companies, however I doubt everything has a price.

 

[maxpontiac]

The whole world is a money driven enterprise. You can bet your ass he would take that money.

All that is really needed is one to take a look George Lucas and the sale of Star Wars to Disney.

👍

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

You are right to an extent if regarding most companies, however I doubt everything has a price.

Oh, but it does. As far as buisiness goes.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Oh, but it does. As far as buisiness goes.

For businesses I think that goes for 99.9% of the case, there must be companies out there who will not sell though. However main point is the everything part and that I don't agree with as you can understand.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

For businesses I think that goes for 99.9% of the case, there must be companies out there who will not sell though. However main point is the everything part and that I don't agree with as you can understand.

Fair enough. We can certainly agree to disagree and have no hard feelings toward one another.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Same could be said about sports. Almost never is an athlete from the city that he plays for. This whole world is a lie. And it's not like we're praising Greenawalt whom we know nothing about. Kaz has been around for over a decade with his interviews and all. AND if we're passionate about a hobby of ours, why is it wrong to praise the hell out of the people that helped make that hobby happen? NFSU/2 was "my hobby" for a couple years until Most Wanted came out (eww).

That's just total bull. He would tell them to get lost.

Sorry, but that is FAR FAR from being the same thing.

See I don't agree that the whole world is a lie. I don't think Kaz selling PD or whatever he owns for a profit is cynical or a lie, it's just life, that's how it works. When you see it for what it is, there is no lie, no disappointment, no cynicism. I don't think it's good or bad either, it just is.

I doubt Kaz will be in charge of a decision like that, Sony will most likely and to buy their flagship PlayStation franchise, it sure must be an offer in the region of quite a few billion $ to even start considering it. I still think Kaz will not sell up if he was in charge if that sum was offered, and I reckon Sony won't too unless it is a ridiculous offer, in the region of tens of billion $. The reason it will be accepted will be only if in best interests of the company. Only way this scenario will happen in the future if my opinion is if Apple come into video game business but even then it is still unrealistic proposition as you could build a much better competing product for that kind of money. For cheaper sale value, Gran Turismo series will have flop in sales in the future quite a bit.

Where I live there is a landmark restaurant franchise, started from a basement 40 years ago. Big flagship location, bunch of satellite delivery locations around the city. Everyone knows "Marco" (real name changed to protect the innocent), self made man, immigrant to the country, millionaire many times over. Few years ago, hitting his 60's he decides to sell. His kids are deadbeats, so he sells to the highest bidder. Consensus opinion in the community was, "Oh my God, I can't believe Marco sold the business, it was his baby, he was there 16 hours a day, he's going to die without work, he loves that business..blah blah blah".

I happen to do a service call at his castle on the river a couple of weeks later, and we're talking about his retirement and he says, "Johnny, I will never retire, you can't really retire or you die", and winks.

Couple of weeks later the property directly across the street from his original restaurant goes under the wrecking ball, 6 months later Frank has a shiny brand new restaurant open for business, directly across the street from his old flagship store and he's still there, well into his 60's, from open to close every day.

Regardless of what Kaz's share is of whatever he owns, if someone come's along with double the money Kaz is gone faster than Usain Bolt. If he really loves what he's doing he'll be on the market soon enough with KazRacing1 or some such thing. Or he'll do something else. It's business.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

See I don't agree that the whole world is a lie. I don't think Kaz selling PD or whatever he owns for a profit is cynical or a lie, it's just life, that's how it works. When you see it for what it is, there is no lie, no disappointment, no cynicism. I don't think it's good or bad either, it just is.



Where I live there is a landmark restaurant franchise, started from a basement 40 years ago. Big flagship location, bunch of satellite delivery locations around the city. Everyone knows "Marco" (real name changed to protect the innocent), self made man, immigrant to the country, millionaire many times over. Few years ago, hitting his 60's he decides to sell. His kids are deadbeats, so he sells to the highest bidder. Consensus opinion in the community was, "Oh my God, I can't believe Marco sold the business, it was his baby, he was there 16 hours a day, he's going to die without work, he loves that business..blah blah blah".

I happen to do a service call at his castle on the river a couple of weeks later, and we're talking about his retirement and he says, "Johnny, I will never retire, you can't really retire or you die", and winks.

Couple of weeks later the property directly across the street from his original restaurant goes under the wrecking ball, 6 months later Frank has a shiny brand new restaurant open for business, directly across the street from his old flagship store and he's still there, well into his 60's, from open to close every day.

Regardless of what Kaz's share is of whatever he owns, if someone come's along with double the money Kaz is gone faster than Usain Bolt. If he really loves what he's doing he'll be on the market soon enough with KazRacing1 or some such thing. Or he'll do something else. It's business.

Thats exactly what I was trying to say and what I meant in my posts. Thanks Johnny for summing it up better than I could.