The Tuner Garage Battle Thread [CLOSED]

[BlueShift]

Sign me in !

But cheap car please !

 

[psychot|K]

First post updated

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I should add that I too am interested... Just not until after New Year's.

 

[BlueShift]

First post updated

Well I was talking about making setups, not driving-test them

 

[psychot|K]

Well I was talking about making setups, not driving-test them

Crap! I'm so sorry about that!
Fixed now.

 

[mazdaman]

I'm in

 

[TRDburglar]

First post updated

I, too, was talking about being an independent tuner in the race. It makes things easier for me time wise if I could submit tunes as my driving sucks, to me at least. plus, wife and work aggro prohibit me from making it to races but if I have some head time to setup a given car, i'll get my arse to it.

If there are too many privateers, i'll wait til I can establish my own spot in this scene before taking someone elses spot on the grid. I am here for my own greedy reasons of improving anyways as I don't really have a reliable test driver but myself.

thanks and sorry for the misunderstanding. can't wait to see this up and running. much respect to the tuners troupes that are participating.

 

[BlueShift]

Crap! I'm so sorry about that!
Fixed now.

Same problem about TRDBurglar, he wanted to make setups !

I remember tune fighting vs RotaryJunkie and TRD Burglar (until Fumes or Rac3rX came in and destroy the competition) on another forum for GT4 when the game came out. I was under the name of "Spoiler" at that time then I disappeared (I tried to make a software and argue about this (stupid) idea with some forum moderator).

We used Bob to test our tunes.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Same problem about TRDBurglar, he wanted to make setups !

I remember tune fighting vs RotaryJunkie and TRD Burglar (until Fumes or Rac3rX came in and destroy the competition) on another forum for GT4 when the game came out. I was under the name of "Spoiler" at that time then I disappeared (I tried to make a software and argue about this (stupid) idea with some forum moderator).

We used Bob to test our tunes.

I swear I don't remember that. Particularly not the bit about having B-Spec test the tunes.

 

[Superphox]

This is a great idea! I think the first car chosen should be a pretty cheap car or a prize car so that everyone can try out the tune easily. Maybe Mugen Motul Civic prize car?

 

[RR_BodyRollin]

I'm down...but my garage is not a "major tuning garage" as we're just starting out. But if you want to include us we'd be more than happy.

Garage: RR (Race Related)
Tuners: RR_BodyRollin, RR_TekQ, RR_Jalobo, and RR_YtRice

 

[vett'e]

As the first event, I reckon the first car to receive our attention should have both potential, attractiveness, purchasable from the dealers but yet affordable - by that i mean below 250k (inclusive of installations etc). More importantly, it should be a car that none of the registered tuners have mingled with.

 

[articzap]

As the first event, I reckon the first car to receive our attention should have both potential, attractiveness, purchasable from the dealers but yet affordable - by that i mean below 250k (inclusive of installations etc). More importantly, it should be a car that none of the registered tuners have mingled with.

Should also set limits for how crazy we can go on power and weight. Not everyone always wants fully maxed cars.

 

[Adrenaline]

Looks like you're low on drivers, high on tuners lol. I assumed people would be jumping all over the chance to do this, and didn't want to be posting my times next to guys far better than me. But I'm definitely interested in being a test driver for you.

 

[articzap]

Looks like you're low on drivers, high on tuners lol. I assumed people would be jumping all over the chance to do this, and didn't want to be posting my times next to guys far better than me. But I'm definitely interested in being a test driver for you.

All that matters is that you post times for all of the tunes. We can compare how much better of lap times each tune gave for a specific individual, and that's all that matters.

 

[vett'e]

I appoint Adrenaline as test driver in my capacity as a tuner! He's done some very detailed analysis in his recent review on the ZR-1. I feel that he'll non-partial and has the ability bring the best out of each tune. A definite 👍 from me!

I would love to test-drive, but I would definitely be bias being a competitor already.

By the way, I think test drivers can opt to submit their times anonymously - at least people would feel more comfortable with that.


Cheers.

 

[vett'e]

Should also set limits for how crazy we can go on power and weight. Not everyone always wants fully maxed cars.

Got any suggestions? I wanted to say the DC5, but being a Honda (and FF) fan, I had bought it the moment I had 29k to dish out - aka my first car.

 

[thesrdic]

Also, too many people are just popping on here and putting an entire thread for a single car......are you guys serious?? There should be a thread just for single car tunes and you all should be adding to it!! That thread would have well over 100 seperate tunes already from the amount of people doing new threads on here to showcase their car. So yes, it might be that you've just built an awesome car and you want to tell the world, but can we all group it together, because it's like swimming through a swamp trying to find the threads I want to go into with all these single car tune threads out there.

problem with that is too many people end up commenting on it, and the thread becomes maybe 1 tune every 2 pages or so and would take ages to find

 

[RR_BodyRollin]

I'm down...but my garage is not a "major tuning garage" as we're just starting out. But if you want to include us we'd be more than happy.

Garage: RR (Race Related)
Tuners: RR_BodyRollin, RR_TekQ, RR_Jalobo, and RR_YtRice

Guess the nonresponse means no?

 

[Rayzor]

I think the motul civic race car would be a good tune. The car is awesome at stock anyways but a tune from you guys would make it even better. Also, if you wish, I'd like to be a test driver for this.

 

[psychot|K]

This is a great idea! I think the first car chosen should be a pretty cheap car or a prize car so that everyone can try out the tune easily. Maybe Mugen Motul Civic prize car?

As the first event, I reckon the first car to receive our attention should have both potential, attractiveness, purchasable from the dealers but yet affordable - by that i mean below 250k (inclusive of installations etc). More importantly, it should be a car that none of the registered tuners have mingled with.

I would suggest that we don't set limits on affordability. The very fact that a car in question would win the monthly poll means that many people on the forum will already have it, meaning it can't be incredibly hard to obtain by the very fact many people want a tune for it.

Basically: If the majority of people on this board want a tune for a certain car for a certain month of the Tuner Garage Battle, they should get it.

Should also set limits for how crazy we can go on power and weight. Not everyone always wants fully maxed cars.

Well, the first priority should be the quickest lap-time as possible for a certain car. If a garage can achieve it using turbo stage 2 (vs. turbo stage 3), then so be it I say.

I also suggest this because coming to a consensus on the level of modifications for each tune, for each month, will require even more work. I'd want user input to be as simple as possible to encourage participation. Vote on the car you want, and BAM, that's all you need to do. Having to have a full discussion on the level of mods, and the debate that would entail... I fear we'd need a few more weeks just to complete that

All that matters is that you post times for all of the tunes. We can compare how much better of lap times each tune gave for a specific individual, and that's all that matters.

Not even necessary. The aggregation of the times, from all drivers, grouped by each tuner, will be enough to statistically account for those variances.

However, I have been thinking about dividing the total average lap time for a garage's setup by the standard deviation of all laps submitted for that tune. The result of this calc would account for the variance of each lap submitted. Why is this important? In real racing, the quickest time is important, but also how consistent they are. If we used this method, the absolute quickest tune might not win. The winning tune would need to be quick, AND consistent. This would push the tuners even more in terms of refinement.

Ideas?

Guess the nonresponse means no?

My apologies! Updated.

 

[psychot|K]

Looks like you're low on drivers, high on tuners

We certainly are, and we still have a few more major garages to add (MFT, etc.)

I have a question for all potential drivers: How many setups do you feel comfortable testing each month? Keep in mind that you'll need to submit 10 laps for each tune on Trial Mountain.

We're quickly approaching 10 garages, meaning 100 laps for each driver. I think that's getting too cumbersome for our driving volunteers.

 

[articzap]

Not even necessary. The aggregation of the times, from all drivers, grouped by each tuner, will be enough to statistically account for those variances.

However, I have been thinking about dividing the total average lap time for a garage's setup by the standard deviation of all laps submitted for that tune. The result of this calc would account for the variance of each lap submitted. Why is this important? In real racing, the quickest time is important, but also how consistent they are. If we used this method, the absolute quickest tune might not win. The winning tune would need to be quick, AND consistent. This would push the tuners even more in terms of refinement.

Feeling this a lot!

 

[Eric.]

I'll volunteer to drive. Though one thing I would suggest is to measure the tune based on absolute speed (i.e., 1 hotlap time) as well as consistency, by doing a 5-10 lap stint and posting the combined laptimes. Typically the absolute fastest setup might not work well for longer races because it is set up on the edge of control.


Edit: Well...tree'd on that idea.


Re: 100 laps


This should probably be set up in a bracket if we're having that many tuners involved in this. Two battles per month.

Wk1: Announce the setup, allow the tuners this week to do their work.
Wk2: Let the drivers run laps.
Wk3: Repeat, but with two other tuners
...


This looks very time consuming, actually. And to be fair everything would need to be kept to PM's so that the second group of tuners doesn't have a huge head start by knowing what the setup is.

I think we better limit each battle to just 2-3 tuners. First come first serve, or let a list form and let them pick numbers to see who goes and against whom. In which case a month would look like:

(You have a separate post just maintaining the list of tuners for this, by the way)

1. Draw the numbers deciding the two tuners. Announce them.
2. PM those two tuners the car/restrictions.
3. Give them Week1 to perfect their tunes.
4. Draw a THIRD tuner as a wildcard. PM them halfway through week1, do not announce this tuner.
5. Post the three setups to start week2. Do not disclose which one belongs to whom, or which is the wildcard.
6. Drivers get all of Week2 to drive and post their times.
7. Week 3 you post the results and begin from the top of this list.


Tuners picked in step 1 are not eligible for the next 2 events. However they can be picked as the wildcard. Wildcards may be picked again after being the wildcard.

 

[psychot|K]

Edit: Well...tree'd on that idea.

Great minds think alike

PS: Added you to the driver's list.

 

[Adrenaline]

We certainly are, and we still have a few more major garages to add (MFT, etc.)

I have a question for all potential drivers: How many setups do you feel comfortable testing each month? Keep in mind that you'll need to submit 10 laps for each tune on Trial Mountain.

We're quickly approaching 10 garages, meaning 100 laps for each driver. I think that's getting too cumbersome for our driving volunteers.

100 laps doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all. Assuming we're looking at a 1 month time period?

 

[Nlmkiii]

If we end up having a lot of tuners, I would suggest setting up the competition in a slightly different way. I see a big problem with racing 100+ laps in the same cars on different tunes, by that many laps even the best test drivers will probably be driving differently due to boredom / experience / varying levels of wife aggro, and it will probably affect the times.

Setting up a league system could make it a much more interesting experience, that generated much more meaningful results. Say we have 12 tuners:

First round league just 3 laps, its only a qualification stage, to clear out the absolute best from the worst.

Qualification A: Tuning Honda S2000, 6 tuners, 3 laps each, top 2 qualify
Qualification B: Tuning Audi TT, 6 tuners, 3 laps each, top 2 qualify

Final: Tuning Lambo Gallardo, 4 Tuners, 10 laps each

A lot less boredom factor for the drivers, so much better results!

I dont think we need to worry about car cost that much, for anyone interested in test driving properly, the cost is going to be negligible anyway. Even 500k can be earnt in like half an hour with minimal effort if you just grind it.


Oh, and Sign Me Up as a driver I'm not the best, but I'm fairly consistent at being average!

 

[niigma]

Is it too late for one more tuner entry?

 

[docholiday720]

Long time lurker, First time poster

Sign me up to be a driver. Think this is a great idea.

doc

 

[Riggins]

sign me up. I'd like to test drive some finely tuned machines.