The Wagons Only Thread [Please See First Post!]

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Some wagons I saw from different shows of 2019
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TexRex
Back on the subject of Ramblers, the '65-6 Ambassador Cross Country is a very cool thing.

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'67-8s aren't bad either, and they got the new V8. I think the earlier front end is more attractive.

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It's amazing what Dick Teague was able to accomplish at AMC with such a limited budget. I love how the grills on these two wagons are horizontal reflections, the tops and bottoms mirroring each other. The '65-6 grill even carries the illusion to the chrome trim on the front of the fenders. Beautiful.
 
Have some Toyota Crown wagons. My favorite generation is the S60/S70 of the early '70s. I love the rather coke-bottle-ish shape, but I especially love that faux grill opening above and behind the actual grill. I don't know that I've ever seen anything like it before or since. Also note that the first generation is the only one in which you could have your 'goon in both 2dr and 4dr flavors.


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That is the hatchback we got them here, the Protege was the sedan and the Astina was the hatch, although on GT2 it did say Wagon, I don't see it.

This is what a wagon is:
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A two-box four-door with an additional side window and pillar aft of the rear door's trailing pillar is a wagon.
 
mustafur
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Oof, gottum.

Providing a singular example from an entity with a reputation for pushing conventions doesn't actually counter the convention.

Wagons--and by this I mean cars that are generally accepted as wagons--often have hatchbacks. Does this define them as hatchbacks?

Also, cars that are generally accepted as hatchbacks are actually sedans. Are hatchbacked wagons sedans?

To complicate matters further, sedans can and often do have only two doors.
 
TexRex
Oof, gottum.

Providing a singular example from an entity with a reputation for pushing conventions doesn't actually counter the convention.

Wagons--and by this I mean cars that are generally accepted as wagons--often have hatchbacks. Does this define them as hatchbacks?

Also, cars that are generally accepted as hatchbacks are actually sedans. Are hatchbacked wagons sedans?
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It is a blurry line, but I think cars such as the Familia Hatch, A3 Sportback and the 1st gen Kia Rio Hatchback(although I think this is more Wagon then the others) fit probably in some middle ground between the two, all 3 are claimed to be hatchbacks from the manufacturer and look like it, but the text book definition doesn't seem right used on such cars.
 
TexRex
Oof, gottum.

Providing a singular example from an entity with a reputation for pushing conventions doesn't actually counter the convention.

Wagons--and by this I mean cars that are generally accepted as wagons--often have hatchbacks. Does this define them as hatchbacks?

Also, cars that are generally accepted as hatchbacks are actually sedans. Are hatchbacked wagons sedans?

To complicate matters further, sedans can and often do have only two doors.
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You can play semantics, but I think it's pretty clear to tell whether or not a car is a hatchback or an estate just by looking at it. Nevertheless, "estate" and "hatchback" are not synonymous and are two completely separate classes of vehicles. The Mazda Protege5/323F/Ford Laser/Familia, despited being badged as "S-Wagon" was classed as a hatchback.

Estate:

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Hatchback:

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GranTurNismo
You can play semantics, but I think it's pretty clear to tell whether or not a car is a hatchback or an estate just by looking at it. Nevertheless, "estate" and "hatchback" are not synonymous and are two completely separate classes of vehicles. The Mazda Protege5/323F/Ford Laser/Familia, despited being badged as "S-Wagon" was classed as a hatchback.

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"I know it when I see it"? Define it.
 
TexRex
"I know it when I see it"? Define it.
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Most of the "definition" derives from the visual aspect. An estate is the same basic concept of a hatchback (usually based on a sedan, seats five, prioritizes practicality and cargo space) but is visibly longer. The roofline of an estate is always longer than that of a hatchback, which is the entire point of an estate, making for greater interior and trunk space. Hatchbacks also tend to have a sloping rear while the rear of an estate is more upright. There's a reason why there's no such thing as a subcompact estate or a full-size hatchback.
 
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mustafur
Not sure about that:

Full size hatchback The Renault Vel Satis
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Well, there’s exceptions to everything I guess. The Vel Satis was quite a strange and proportionally ugly car for what it was. Clearly, the full-size hatchback idea never caught on, because you know... full size and hatchback don’t exactly go together.
 
GranTurNismo
Well, there’s exceptions to everything I guess. The Vel Satis was quite a strange and proportionally ugly car for what it was. Clearly, the full-size hatchback idea never caught on, because you know... full size and hatchback don’t exactly go together.
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The more conventional looking Opel Signum was borderline at that size as well, some kind of luxury hatchback thing European car makers where going with back in the mid 2000s
 
mustafur
The more conventional looking Opel Signum was borderline at that size as well, some kind of luxury hatchback thing European car makers where going with back in the mid 2000s
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Slightly over 180 inches is hardly full-size, but nevertheless, that was quite an awkward time for European non-luxury cars in general, save the C6 and a few others.
 
GranTurNismo
Slightly over 180 inches is hardly full-size, but nevertheless, that was quite an awkward time for European non-luxury cars in general, save the C6 and a few others.
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It used a long wheelbase being based on a Vectra Estate, but the hatchback design means it isn't going to be long.
 

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