The Words of the Winds are Now all Clear

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Digital-Nitrate
I'm curious about the size of all the data, and whether or not GT5 will even fit on one 50GB Blu-ray disc (equivalent to about 7 DVDs). :eek:

GT5P isn't exactly anorexic, even without any GTTV videos downloaded.
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I'm curious what makes you think it may exceed 50GB. Prologue is what, a 2.5GB download? Let's just round up to 5GB total, which is overshooting it to play safe, but takes into account having downloaded the intro and ending movies.

A large portion of game data is graphics and physics engines. In Prologue I would guess those take up much more than the cars do. You would have to attribute all game data to the cars to assume 600 cars would even approach 50GB. I think it is safe to say that content data takes up minimal space when you realize that the intro and ending movies take up nearly as much space, and if you add on Beyond the Apex it is even more than the game itself. As there are no cinematic cutscenes in the GT series I am guessing the biggest data hog will be audio.


I'm not saying it won't be big, but if we figure Prologue has a beta build of the graphics and physics engines we can likely assume the final product won't have much more than twice the data devoted to that and then content may only take up another 20GB total.

Also, we should keep in mind that in comparison to games like MGS4 it is not a data hog. MGS4 used all uncompressed audio, including the long stretches of radio static.


But I am just guessing based on what I see from Prologue. You would have to make a few extreme assumptions on data usage to believe there is a serious chance it will take over 50GB.

And if it did, two discs. It won't be the first time.
 
Hmm We now have what? 70 some cars? PD promises 700 cars.. ten times more. So 5 gigs times 10 = 50 gigs.. That will also have about 60 tracks, PD mention 50 or so.. so yeah..

+ Bigger Menu screens, events, online setus etc.. 1 gig for that?
Body kits? more wheel options..
Damage models...
Hmm bigger online
Stuff like that? IDK how will it be..

But in the end.. 35-40 gigs, Most cars will be like in GT4, Looks the same but different bumper and some specs.. so same data can be used with just different bumper.

So how big Dual Layer blu-ray is? 50 gigs.. we wont have 2 discs, just one Disc with multi-layer.

PS3 can handle more then 2 layers as well just in case... But I do not think so that GT5 will be even 50 gigs.. that is freaking HUGE!
 
NoxNoctis Umbra
Hmm We now have what? 70 some cars? PD promises 700 cars.. ten times more. So 5 gigs times 10 = 50 gigs.. That will also have about 60 tracks, PD mention 50 or so.. so yeah..

+ Bigger Menu screens, events, online setus etc.. 1 gig for that?
Body kits? more wheel options..
Damage models...
Hmm bigger online
Stuff like that? IDK how will it be..

But in the end.. 35-40 gigs, Most cars will be like in GT4, Looks the same but different bumper and some specs.. so same data can be used with just different bumper.

So how big Dual Layer blu-ray is? 50 gigs.. we wont have 2 discs, just one Disc with multi-layer.

PS3 can handle more then 2 layers as well just in case... But I do not think so that GT5 will be even 50 gigs.. that is freaking HUGE!
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Well more cars/bodyparts/damage wont take a lot of space.
Most of the cars in GT don't have textures. It are just models with a solid color (colored polygrons). Textures will take a lot of space, but since only the racecars in GT have textures it wont be that big. Same for bodyparts and damage. Poly's dont take a lot of space.
And the online mode is mainly some more code and a few more menu's. So it wont be much bigger either. Although more tracks will take a lot of space (textures) and the soundtrack/intro/video's will need some gigs i guess :)
I think GT5 will fit on a 25GB BRD.

And yeah a dual layer BRD is 50GB, and that the max the PS3 can handle. More than 2 layers are not possible with the PS3 Blu ray laser.
 
Paulie
Sounds like I'll have to get a new HDD.
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I highly doubt it will be a requirement but something wise to do especially if you have 20gigger with other games installed 👍

I have a 60GB version and I am still going to get a bigger drive, I am gald I have a external HDD so I don't lose anything.
 
VIPERGTSR01
I highly doubt it will be a requirement but something wise to do especially if you have 20gigger with other games installed 👍

I have a 60GB version and I am still going to get a bigger drive, I am gald I have a external HDD so I don't lose anything.
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I have Home and a couple other games. I'm worried that with those few games, when I start wanting DLC for GT5 (and Home too I guess), and storing awesome replays and photos on GT5, my HDD space could suddenly dwindle.
 
amar212
Second wind says there will be more than half of dozen hundreds birds flying in the beginning of the reunion on almost eight dozen of skypaths, and some of the birds will come from the past reunion just resembling the looks of the newborn birds.
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Almost eight dozen is somewhere between 91 and 95. There have been 54 races tracks in GT throughout the versions. This number includes the Test Track being counted twice, one for the short version in GT & GT2 plus the long version in GT3 & GT4. It does not include reverse versions which stand at 30. I do not think I've counted R11 twice in this list either.

I have zero interest in rallying so I'm not sure of that number but I think it's 18.

If that is correct then that is a total of 72 not including reverse versions. That would leave between 19 and 23 tracks to be found. Are there between 19 and 23 locations mentioned in the GT5P weather reports?

91-95 tracks including variations but plus reverse versions would be very good indeed and certainly better than 91-95 tracks including both variations and reverse versions.
 
Digital-Nitrate
I'm curious about the size of all the data, and whether or not GT5 will even fit on one 50GB Blu-ray disc (equivalent to about 7 DVDs). :eek:

I was talking with a friend of mine yesterday about it and assuming the data capacity is greater than 50GB, what some of the possible solutions could be.

One was that GT5 would come out on two discs, one, that you would install a significant amount of data to your hard drive, and the other would be for playing the game, thus you would not have to swap discs... but you would need the space on your HDD.

Another was that perhaps we'll have to download a very large update immediately after loading the game... but this could be a problem for some, who believe it or not, don't have an internet connection, and who only play offline.

I suppose if need be, like GT2, they could split the discs as far as simulation and arcade... and that might help.

At the very least, I'm going to be very curious to see how large in terms of data GT5 turns out to be, and how much HDD space it will need.

GT5P isn't exactly anorexic, even without any GTTV videos downloaded.
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+@ GT4ever

You know that there working on 400GB blu ray discs?

http://www.psu.com/400GB-Blu-ray-discs-coming-to-PS3-in-2010-News--a0005584-p0.php

hope this is an answer for you, but i don't know if they gonna use that one
but i think with 200GB they will have enough(hopelly not!!!)
 
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ok but 600cars plus all the downloading feature and cars in future... this game will be the definitive game of all the time...
me to i would appreciate 200/250 from gt4 and the rest of newer and older cars that i have never seen before...
and i think will be so...
 
mc959
+@ GT4ever

You know that there working on 400GB blu ray discs?

http://www.psu.com/400GB-Blu-ray-discs-coming-to-PS3-in-2010-News--a0005584-p0.php

hope this is an answer for you, but i don't know if they gonna use that one
but i think with 200GB they will have enough(hopelly not!!!)
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Yeah i know. But every PS3 is fitted with a Dual Layer Blu-ray laser. So a PS3 can read only 2 layers. A 400GB BRD is nice but you'll need a Blu-ray player with a laser capable of reading 16 layers (25GB for each layer). A PS3 game can never get bigger than 50GB (2 layers) without multiple discs.

But i think GT will fit within the 25GB of a single layer. And i really hope so. So far there ain't much (no) content that uses a multilayer Blu-ray disc. So its kinda unclear how good a dual layer BRD works in a PS3. It should be able to read it, but i do remember a lot of people had problems reading the GT4 disc with older version PS2's because it was Dual layer. Same sort of thing could happen with a 50GB dual layer BRD on the PS3.
 
I am pretty sure the PS3 can read up to 100gb BR discs. I know it is only 2 layers but I think they made a 2 layer 100gb BD disc. I will find the source later
 
The Spec II update for the Japan version was around half a GB for HSR and around 40 cars which include the super looking F1 car, and F40. HSR has a lot of detail and fairly big space even though the track is short.

800 cars and 20 tracks would be 10 gb going off prologue.

50gb sounds enough for the game and videos etc. But, we're not sure if the tracks and cars will improve in better textures and polys, or they'll add more track side details with better models.

EDIT: MGS4 is a duel layer 50 gb disc, so no problems there.
 
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GT4Ever
But i think GT will fit within the 25GB of a single layer. And i really hope so. So far there ain't much (no) content that uses a multilayer Blu-ray disc.

So its kinda unclear how good a dual layer BRD works in a PS3. It should be able to read it, but i do remember a lot of people had problems reading the GT4 disc with older version PS2's because it was Dual layer. Same sort of thing could happen with a 50GB dual layer BRD on the PS3.
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Putting aside for the moment the fact that movies have been released on 50GB Blu-ray discs for around two years now and the two hundred or more movies that have been released on 50GB Blu-ray discs work seamlessly without any layer change pause on the PS3.

I'm fairly certain MGS4 is on a 50GB disc... and Kojimma was on record of wishing he had even more space. Uncharted: Drake's Fortune used up every bit of space on the 25GB disc it was released on, and I suspect Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, God of War III and other big titles coming out will be on 50GB discs. In fact, there is speculation that that the PS3 version of Final Fantasy XIII will be on two 50GB discs... if true, I'm not sure how the 360 version is going to compare... as I'm sure they wouldn't release a 10+ DVD version... but at the same time, how many 360 owners would have a large enough hard drive... or willing to spend as much as $150 for just a 120GB drive? :eek:

Regardless of that, you don't need to worry about 50GB Blu-ray discs working properly on a PS3... they have been for more than two years already. 👍
 
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GT4Ever
Most of the cars in GT don't have textures. It are just models with a solid color (colored polygrons). Textures will take a lot of space, but since only the racecars in GT have textures it wont be that big. Same for bodyparts and damage.
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Wrong. Or do you really think they've made 20 different 3D models if a car has 20 colour options? Certainly not. And at least in GT4 every single car had textures - easily seen in the jagged panel lines - so I can't see them changing the style. See the following part to understand why texturing is the way to go.

GT4Ever
Poly's dont take a lot of space.
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Oh yes they do. I'm a long time flight simmer with quite a lot of experience on seeing high quality 3D models. Good models easily take up to 5 MB and the polygon count is nowhere near that of GT5P models - not as well optimized though as they're not "factory made". Add to that the interiors and we may well be looking at 25 MB per car. If there are 600 cars it would mean 15 GB of 3D models alone. So I'd say polygons indeed take a lot of space.
 
The MGS4 sound files were not compressed that was the reason that MGS4 filled a 50GB Blu-Ray...

But 1 year earlier everybody was asking how the game producers would fill a Blu-Ray... so in future we will get the answer...

The Blu-Ray drive is a big + point for sony... the "world" is realising this slowly but surely...

I'm curious about what drive MS will bring with the next Xbox... Blu Ray will be the new standard after CD´s and DVD´s...
 
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mPWRD
Exactly.. personally I think anyone who buys all 600 is either mental or has a lot of time on their hands... and plus there's going to be like 70 skylines and 40 supras...

Edit: Have you guys heard anything about bikes? I think that could be integrated quite nicely... but of course it's a car game... so I don't know.
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Yeah it takes a lot of time to buy all the cars, but I'm one of those mental car collectors ;)

I bought every car in GT4...yes it took awhile, but when I beat a game, I try to beat every aspect of it...100%....all cars...etc. That's just the way I am, regardless if there is 50 skylines....you'll find them in my garage, or whatever PD puts into GT5 :)
 
RacingFreak2k3
Yeah it takes a lot of time to buy all the cars, but I'm one of those mental car collectors ;)

I bought every car in GT4...yes it took awhile, but when I beat a game, I try to beat every aspect of it...100%....all cars...etc. That's just the way I am, regardless if there is 50 skylines....you'll find them in my garage, or whatever PD puts into GT5 :)
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Same here mate. :cheers:
 
well, the release date is what gets me... some say its sometime in dec. 09, others say its march 10... which is it? after reading the calling of the winds thing... it makes sense for either... 12 months from when that was publish, or the regular 12 month year, can't grasp which one is implied?
 
Sele1981
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Sele1981
The MGS4 sound files were not compared so that was the reason that MGS4 filled a 50GB Blu-Ray...
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Can you provide a link to that claim?
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Sorry i mean compressed :D or the sound files were uncompressed on the blu-ray...

for example

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/adventure/metalgearsolid4/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-41770213&pid=926596
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That's OK, I understood what you meant... I also looked at that thread and found no evidence that showed they could have fit MGS4 on a single 25GB disc using any known compression technique that wasn't already used in the first placed, quite the contrary in fact.

Well I did some searching and while I didn't find any such claim, I did find that Kojima Productions has said in their Kojima Productions Report Sessions specifically said that while they originally planned to release MGS4 on 25gb discs, they soon discovered no mater how they compressed the data, it would not fit. That's when they decided to be the first game to come out on a 50GB disc... and before they knew it, they had nearly filled it up with additional data as well.

So no, it doesn't appear compressing audio was the issue... nor was it an issue of having multiple language tracks... because that idea was dropped before the game was released.


David Oxford
Regarding Kojima's story that there wasn't enough space, the "real story on that" is that the game was originally planned for a single-layer Blu-ray disc, and they had everything allocated, but as they went on, they realized that a regular Blu-ray wouldn't be enough. They pondered going to two discs, but then Sony came to them with the idea of being the first to try a dual-layer, which required a lot of testing and preparation.

They knew they were going to be going over the 25 GB limit, and from there, they began adding new stuff and allocating space, and before they knew it, they were nearly out of room on a dual-layer Blu-ray as well. "And so it's really, really close at this point."
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I will be truly surprised if GT5 can be fit on a 25GB disc without any additional downloadable content. I suspect at a minimum it will be on a single 50GB disc.
 
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All this speculations of what Gran Turismo 5 really will be makes it hard to understand that one time I will stand in my hallway, looking down at the floor to see a small package with white and blue tape wrapped around it. I really don't know how I will react to that. I will probably be 5 years old again.
 
Hmmmm...GT5 may = 50GB :crazy:

💡 Looks I will finally get some use out of that 320GB hard drive
I installed on my PS3 :dopey:
 
So if we get around 600 cars that means there will be approximatively 300 japanese cars
I'm joking but polyphony must put some variety into their car list
 

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