The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne 

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I guess for me it's in the idea of honesty in the marketing. If I had two salesmen trying to sell me competing products and one said "ok, here's the product, this is what you get. Nothing less, nothing more", and the other salesman said "Here it is, it's pretty much the same as the other guy's but it costs a little more... oh, wait, I can see you hesitating... here, I'll throw in some extras to get you more excited... no wait, don't walk away, I'll drop the price! There are some things with my product that are unnecessary, so I'll do away with those..." etc.
I think you probably get my long-winded point.
Maybe I'm just over-sensitive about it but MS makes me feel like I'm about to be swindled... again.
 
I get what he's saying. I'm not interested for the same reason since E3. All the 180s are things I never cared about.

Kinect and Xbox Live. It's good they are scrapping at potential buyers but THEY are out of touch from their choices.
 
And yet another 180 by Microsoft.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-will-function-without-kinect-6412848

Aparently, the Kinect does not need to be connected in order for the console to function.
What a surprise!

:rolleyes:
Which warrants the question why consumers are forced to pay for it... Seems like they can't make up their minds about anything regarding the new Xbox.
I have no interest in Kinect whatsoever, personally. A worthless peripheral. I'd say they definitely should drop it and in turn dropping the price as well.
 
I'm in the minority in this one, but I wouldn't buy an Xbox One if they sell an Xbox One without Kinect. I know everyone wants a $400 console but does anyone want to see what companies can do with Kinect knowing that everyone has it.
 
I'm in the minority in this one, but I wouldn't buy an Xbox One if they sell an Xbox One without Kinect. I know everyone wants a $400 console but does anyone want to see what companies can do with Kinect knowing that everyone has it.
I already own a Wii. I'm not particularly bothered by the entry price (the fact that you can barely do anything with it without XBL Gold is a far bigger issue), but I really couldn't care less about what developers choose to do with motion controls the second time around. The fact that now you can pack it up and throw it in the box is far better, even if it is still mandatory as a purchase.
 
The thing is everything MS did originally was trying to move the console gaming market on to something new. Sony came out and said "Yep, PS4 is pretty much the same sort of product as PS3" but MS went bold, they wanted to move it closer to the digital, steam type setup. They also wanted to move things along with motion controls in gaming by including and forcing use of one.

But people didn't want any of that, they wanted what the PS4 offered, more of the same as the previous generation. I don't really see how that's MS struggling to match PS4, it's backpeddling to match it because that's what consumers think they want and MS felt the best decision was to give them that.

For good or for worse, the original Xbox One was going to move the console world onwards in terms of how it operated. Now it's not, MS will have to wait for the next gen when more people might accept it.

(PS I'm not stating what I wanted or saying who was right and wrong, just a general observation.)
 
XO will be 300$ by next year with or without kinect otherwise they stand no chance to compete.


Xbox hasn't had heat issues? Really?

It has the worst record in history of gaming consoles. Power brick was not the problem the console was simply defective and had overheating issues. It was not ready for sale when they rushed 360. That is why when they said they have overclocked gpu by 6% of XO I was like really ? XO is huge and has power brick. Looks like they need to hire better engineer to design a console.
 
XO will be 300$ by next year with or without kinect otherwise they stand no chance to compete.

If I were drinking anything at the time I read this I would've spit it out so hard it would've went through my monitor.

You think the price of a new console is going to drop 40% within the first year of it's release? Uhh, what about development costs? How much do you think it takes Microsoft to build an individual Xbox One? I'd bet it's more than $300. So to turn around and sell if for that.....

No.
 
If I were drinking anything at the time I read this I would've spit it out so hard it would've went through my monitor.

You think the price of a new console is going to drop 40% within the first year of it's release? Uhh, what about development costs? How much do you think it takes Microsoft to build an individual Xbox One? I'd bet it's more than $300. So to turn around and sell if for that.....

No.

The 3DS price dropped before 1 year, though.
 
Not by 40% though. Which was his point. That was also a handheld.

I count hanhelds as consoles, one of their main purpose is to play games.

I don't remember what % but I heard the Wii U price has also been dropped
 
What point are you trying to make here? He said the Xbox One is not going to be $300 within a year.

He said no console dropped prices under a year but Nintendo has already done that with their 2 current consoles.
 
So let me get this straight;

MS says Kinect is mandatory.
People (here especially) bitch and moan.
MS changes decision based on feedback; makes Kinect no longer needed.
People (here especially) bitch and moan.

And this is why I don't come in this thread, much.
 
but MS went bold, they wanted to move it closer to the digital, steam type setup.

Which is possible on current consoles. The prices tend to be outrageous though. I don't see Sony or Microsoft's digital prices being anywhere near as good as steam prices while they still have retailers to consider.

They also wanted to move things along with motion controls in gaming by including and forcing use of one.

Firstly, motion controls already exist, so it's hardly a new concept. Secondly, motion controls are mostly inaccurate compared to a controller and most don't want to use them. Regardless of how well Kinect 2.0 works or how much Microsoft "try to move things along" by using existing technology.

it's backpeddling to match it because that's what consumers think they want and MS felt the best decision was to give them that.

It's backpedaling because MS realized they were taking a hammering. Had they secured the sales they expected, they wouldn't have changed a thing even if there was still an outcry. Sure, other companies would have acted the same but that doesn't mean it's not backpedaling.

For good or for worse, the original Xbox One was going to move the console world onwards in terms of how it operated. Now it's not, MS will have to wait for the next gen when more people might accept it.

By using existing technology, forcing Drm on honest customers and making gamers jump through a ridiculous amount of hurdles? If that's moving forward, I'm staying still.


So let me get this straight;

MS says Kinect is mandatory.
People (here especially) bitch and moan.
MS changes decision based on feedback; makes Kinect no longer needed.
People (here especially) bitch and moan.

And this is why I don't come in this thread, much.

Did you check if it was the same people both times? Because... Y'know, people can have an opinion. Microsoft have backed down on Kinect, making the console a potential purchase from me at some point. However, I'm not buying a Kinect at all. If the rrod doesn't repeat itself and they eventually launch a Kinect free version at a reasonable price, I may pick one up. Except for the fact that I live in Japan. But that's a problem based on my geographical location rather than the Xbox itself.

I've been thinking recently about what makes Microsoft so successful. In my opinion, the answer is that they are excellent at selling bs to people. For example, "the power of the cloud". You have no idea how many times I've read about how the cloud is going to make the xbone ridiculously powerful over time, which is just a flat out lie. In theory, it's possible (assuming they genuinely have enough servers), however the kind of Internet connection you'd need to have to make it work just doesn't exist. An xbone will be able to process far more data per second than you'll ever be able to receive via your Internet connection. It's basically going to amount to Drm. They lock a feature to the servers (drivatar, for example) which probably takes up minimal processing power. If Microsoft aren't satisfied that you bought a new copy, bye bye drivatar.

Then there's the good old "every Xbox one is a dev kit". Again, in theory, that's true. But only if you have the required permissions from Microsoft, which they aren't going to hand out as it would make piracy ridiculously easy. Good news for developers, inconsequential news for you and I.

Lastly, as mentioned earlier in the post, there's the idea of Microsoft's bold vision for the future, which included crippling Drm, digital games, (which are possible on current consoles and will still be possible on ps4 and Xbox one.) which will no doubt be ridiculously priced and motion controls which have been done before. Oh. And don't forget the family sharing. Many assumed that they and nine friends would simultaneously be able to play the same game after buying a single copy. Not going to happen. Larry hyrb confirmed that only one person would be able to play at a time.

There are quite a few nice features, such as the instant game swapping (assuming that is still possible after the 180). However, I ordered a ps4 and will stick with it. I'm glad that those who buy an xbone will get a more user friendly experience, but it's because of aforementioned Internet rage. Don't thank Microsoft. Thank the people who pointed out how stupid they were being in the first place.
 
He said no console dropped prices under a year but Nintendo has already done that with their 2 current consoles.

A little late but...

1. No I didn't.
2. I don't consider portable gaming devices as consoles, so that's a loose term.
3. Microsoft isn't Nintendo.
 
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so let me get this straight;

ms says kinect is mandatory.
People (here especially) bitch and moan.
Ms changes decision based on feedback; makes kinect no longer needed.
People (here especially) bitch and moan.

And this is why i don't come in this thread, much.

+1
 
Why are people moaning over the fact Kinect isn't mandatory anymore. If you still want to use it, just plug it in. Nothing has changed about the Kinect features, it's still as the were 24 hours ago. You just don't need to use it if you don't want to.
 
It's not mandatory? That's brilliant! I'm more likely to pick up a cheap Xbone in a few years time.
 
Seems like MS are reacting too much to forumers, perhaps preorders which most could be statements from fanboys, excited forum dwellers.

Some of you may not remember but online gaming on console was laughed at by consumers, wouldn't take off they said. Who wants Quake, these cold multiplayer games. Its some niche pc geek movement. I don't think many remember the resistance.

If you asked those people then you would've got a loud clear message to forget online gaming.

If I'm going to make ICO or Shadow of the Colossus, I wouldn't ask the public what they want, creative games would hardly get made.

Same with hardware to some extent, Apple don't ask do you want this, we'd still be on dvd if we asked johnny consumer if bluray should be used. The backlash online at the time was incredible. No, we'd still using carts probably.

Oculus guys ask beforehand, hey would you want some VR, really works. Consumers says no, 'f' off. Don't even bother Palmer Luckey, get a real job mate.
 
180 #1: online check in relaxed, game selling/sharing etc to be like on the 360
180 #2: indie game devs can self publish
180 #3: headset included with every system
180 #4: Kinect no longer mandatory for system operation

Two more and we'll have a full 1080.
 
It wasn't the fact of the new policies it was taking, it was more the fact every feature was a restriction. If the DRM was solely for digital, I would've been cool with that. However MS took that idea and extended it to everything, even physical discs. If we had just sat by, retailers like Blockbuster, WeBuy and Gamestop would have all collapsed. If MS had waited about 10 more years, we could've got the original Xbox One, solely due to most countries having internet and making discs obsolete.
 
180 #1: online check in relaxed, game selling/sharing etc to be like on the 360
180 #2: indie game devs can self publish
180 #3: headset included with every system
180 #4: Kinect no longer mandatory for system operation

Two more and we'll have a full 1080.

I'm not going to buy the One either way but good one MS to do a 180,better very very very late than never.

Still don't think Kinect is neccessary,yet to be impressed by the tech.

Excited more about something like Occulus rift or whatever it's called more.
 
A little late but...

1. No I didn't.
2. I don't consider portable gaming devices as consoles, so that's a loose term.
3. Microsoft isn't Nintendo.

They are back tracking on pretty much everything because the demand for XO is low. PS4 on the other hand is too much that they will not have enough console to manufacture on time to sell.

If they do not drop the price and take that camera out of the box. Xbox one might suffer the same fate of actual Xbox 1, the original. That briefcase looking console. Just wait a year or so or may be even sooner it will happen.
 
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They are back tracking on pretty much everything because the demand for XO is low.

Demand is low? Last time I checked preorders for Xbox One are sold out everywhere.
 
They are back tracking on pretty much everything because the demand for XO is low. PS4 on the other hand is too much that they will not have enough console to manufacture on time to sell.

If they do not drop the price and take that camera out of the box. Xbox one might suffer the same fate of actual Xbox 1, the original. That briefcase looking console. Just wait a year or so or may be even sooner it will happen.

Just because the PS4 may have more pre-orders doesn't automatically mean demand for the X1 is low. That's like saying that Pepsi is in big trouble and better change something fast because Coke is selling more than them. No, it's ridiculous. Pepsi is doing fine and so is Microsoft and their Xbox One.

If there's nothing I can say to convince you that there won't be a major price drop for the X1 within the next year, then I guess you'll just have to wait it out and see for yourself. Just don't be surprised when it doesn't happen.
 
And in the latest news from MS, they continue to make themselves look like fools by trying to convince us that the ability to switch from a game to watching TV, is new and innovative. I can already do this with my TV remote! I realise MS has made a lot of very positive 180's in the past couple of months, but the way they are selling it is so immensely stupid.

And the link from which I base my comment on: http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-changes-everything-says-microsoft-6412879
 
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