Things that really irritate me about Gt3.

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Well, after getting about everycar, and playing with the tunings of it, there are a few things that really bug me.

I'd hafta say first and foremost, is that I can't use the displacement up option on any of my cars. A good example is, a Camaro SS, which I use because I know more about the LS1 engine then any other. Now, the typical 347 Cid LS1 makes about 310~320hp. However, I know for a fact much more power and especially Torque can be gained by boring it out, to say a 383, or a 396 Cid, but I can't do this? WHY! Hell, it's been documented that people have obtained a 454 Small block from an LS1, but with the millions of GT dollars I have, I can't get anything from it.

Another complaint I have, is that it can make so much power without installing stroker parts. Originally I thought that NA Stage 3 did this, but after reading Displacement up, it says that that it is increasing motor stroke. That is really unrealistic, and even if it was pulled off, it wouldn't be reliable at all.

Third, is that I can't equip anything to any motor. I mean, in a Turbocharged car, why can't I change cams and heads? It won't let me, and why? Or, howcome I can't equip a turbocharger to a NA car? it really makes no sense, it isn't like it already has a Supercharger on it.

Which brings me to what irritates me most, that Turbos are so glorified and Superchargers arn't even mentioned. With them, you could combine stroke and a high output supercharger for minimal cost, to make great low to mid power. Although its not good for higher speeds in excess of 170 or so i'd say, it would be excellent for really low gear tracks like Monaco, Laguna Seca etcetera.

Now this is what really gets me. Since gran Turismo is catered more towards the import fans, and include all the fancy stuff that makes imports fast, where is the ability to have a nitrous shot? I mean, a 100hp wet shot could make the difference between second or first place if you hit it just right comming out of the final turn. This would be really neat, giving you the ability to per se control your window switch, and retard/advance timing. Given you could probably have at most 3 shots during the race, having a spray is by no means a bad thing, as we all know the moment when if we just had an extra hundredth of a second, we could have won.

Thats all for now, but im sure something will irritate me later :D
 
Holy Monkey balls u complain WAY to much!! Its a Friggin Game. Video games arent Perfect u know. as the years go by, Games will get better and mabey Just mabey ur complaints will go down but thats just a guess.
 
i agree with Sominon and many of his irritations.....to a degree ;),
the displacement up should be available for more than skylines and mini's (thats all ive seen it available for...) seeing how there are many engines in the game that have the potential to be bored over ( the ls1 is a perfect example...)... i also agree with the availablity of turbocharging, it should be an option on anything, as u can turbocharge whatever want as long as its in your means ( same with supercharging, more in a minute..)...when thinking about the bias towads turbo's in gt3, u must consider the source, a driving simulator from japan. to my knowledge supercharging isnt nearly as big as it is here it the states and japan has seen turbo production (and tuner..) cars since, well, for a long time :D , so it only make sense for the emphasis. the only thing i dont agree on is the use of nitrous becasue , in my limited knowldge, nitrous has never had a bearing on road racing of any sort. it just wouldn't fit with the struggle to find "the line" because it would be the ultimate eqaulizer between a great driver and a 1000+ hp wall rider...just my 2 cizzles...
 
If the game incorporated everything you want, people would have to go to mechanic school just to play it. Most people simply want a racing game.
 
Short Answer : Arcade Mode

Long Answer : It gives you pretty decent directions when you go to the tune shop, if you sit and think about it long enough you can figure it out. I say, at least give layman style options for stroke, bore, supercharging, et cetera. Like the games current style of Such and such inhancement 1/2/3 blah blah blah.
 
lol, im just sitting here at work watching my moniter, might as well respond...i don't think the gt series should be dumbed up in terms of the mechanical aspects of the cars to simply be a "racing game"...i would like to think that by having a more in depth simulator (which is what gt3 is...), i could be learning and playing at the same time...:cool:
 
Oh to Jr0ck, I was thinking nitrous for the more low key races, like when you start out and don't have much money, because it is a pretty decent power adder for the price, You could get a 100hp shot and a window switch and everything needed for like ~$600? thats like the cheapest flywheel in Gt3, and if you had a big bottle, for at most 3 shots, use one each time you hit the straight, ya know? Oh well, maybe nitrous is a bad idea :/
 
lol, i understand where u were going with that now, but i just think gt should b spared from the 15 yr old fanboys (and well anyone for that matter) shouting "i won with my NAWWWWWSSSSS!!!" and lose out on alot of it's presitige, if u will ...and there's already to many 15 yr old's who think they know what "tuning" is because of fast and the furious; i.e. stickers, nawwwss, and wings...but that, alas, is a different topic altogether....:)
 
Yea man it's a good thing they don't have hazard light controls or they'd do a fly-by on a gt-one and put on their strobes.

NAWWWWWWWZZZZZZZ
 
Gran Turismo 4: Rice Spec
with Paul Walker

They could make it a racing/RPG. You're Brian O'Conner, an undercover cop sent to infiltrate a group of L.A. stree racers and bust a hijacking ring.

They could also include a big-titted beach volleyball section to increase the appeal.
 
all of those ideas (except the naaaawwwzzzz ) i agree with, but we also have to take into consideration the limitations of the PS2, to include all of these aspects would require more processing power from the PS2 while driving (power that i am not sure the PS2 has)

who knows maybe in a 2 years or so it will be possible.
 
spaceratk:
What are you talking about? None of that would take any processing power at all -- he was talking about tuning mods. How does that make the PS2 have to think harder when driving?

Besides, the PS2 has more than enough processing power. As far as sheer processing power, the PS2's 128-bit 300MHz CPU has over 6 GFLOPs, the X-Box's 32-bit 733MHz CPU has less than 3 GFLOPs. Simple operations like thinking of what to do if you hit a nitro button are totally inconsequential.

The biggest limitation of the PS2 is the memory. It has 4MB video memory and 32MB RDRAM main memory. The main memory only has a 32-bit datapath, and must be used to store textures in more complex games, and the PS2 also has no texture compression. The XBox, for example, has 64MB, but that's shared for both video and system memory.

Memory has gotten so cheap that you can't even find a video card anymore with less than 64MB DDR, so I'm sure the next generation of consoles won't have this limitation. Even with low video memory, though, all current consoles are pretty close to being able to put just about whatever you want on a TV. HDTV will have to become the standard before there's any need for the PS3.
 
well sorry yo :O .... my bad. (i hardly know the specs of game systems) and i thought these mods would require more programming into the physics engine.

(guess i should stick to 3d design and not cross over to hardware... cause i would suck :) )
 
Thought : Nitrous will hafta be added if they include drag racing, without giggle gas most cars would be at least a second slower, maybe they could just not allow it for Autocross the sameway you can't run dirt tires on a Autocross track?
 
I would NOT want Nitrous Oxide in any Gran Turismo game, EVER. Full Stop.

Displacement up only works with Lancers and Skylines, which is odd, when as you say, you can increase the displacement in most V8s.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind the options for superchargers either. :)
 
Originally posted by ving
funny how supercharged cars can get turbo upgrades? :odd:
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Yeah, some can get turbo, the others only get NA, it's very weird...:odd:

Injected, I don't think they should have NOS at all.
 
Originally posted by BadBatsuMaru
They could make it a racing/RPG. You're Brian O'Conner, an undercover cop sent to infiltrate a group of L.A. stree racers and bust a hijacking ring.
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The scary part is, they made a racing RPG. Well, drag racing. It's called Zero-4 Champ. I think it's available only in Japanese though.

They could also include a big-titted beach volleyball section to increase the appeal.
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Dead or Alive Volleyball. IMO the physics engine in that game is a lot more interesting than GT3's. :drool:
kideng
 
each and every person who wants nitrous on any GT game is just retarded. sorry for the offence, but if you want nitrous, NO MATTER what yiu want it for, drag racing, the last straight, ANYTHING, its S-TU-PID. even more so in a game that pretends to be all about race track worthiness of a car. to close this, I wouldnt buy GT4 if it had nitro. that's all.
As for the up displacement, yeah, it is very stupid, but you HAVE to remember that it is the we-japanese-want-you-all-to-see-how-marvelous-cars-we-build-despite-what-other-countrys-produce, so they CANT give ANY chance of ANYTHING done in ANY other country to spice up and be quicker and cooler than any japanese stupid thing. yeah, there is the mini. PLEASE. why the mini? well, because it wont kick the ass of any skyline, nor even the demio and all those little ****s.
yeah, they dont adding superchargers sucks too, but then again, when in hell have you seen a supercharged japanese car? so, as they arent a japanese spec thing they are left out, just like every other thing in the game that isnt japanese, including cars. just ask bmw.

really there is only ONE thing that REALLY irritates me about GT3. its the one GREATEST flaw of them all. GT3 shouldnt be called Gran Turismo 3. it should be called Japanese GT championship or something like dat. and in the box, it should say: "look at how our marvelous japanese things kick the ass of nearly EVERY other car we randomly threw in the game!!! take the stinky american and european cars down with your all-japanese beauty!!! destroy any other car-producing country more than we programers have done in this brand new game!! dont miss this awesome oportunity to over rate our precious japanese cars!!!" or something like that.

Cano

ah, the sarcassmmmmm :D
 
What a conspiracy!

There are supercharged cars in the game. There just weren't enough to warrant making a 3rd aspiration option, so they don't know how to treat them. The Mercedes SLK still has plenty power, it's just listed as a turbo instead. It doesn't seem to suffer from any lag, and I certainly don't see anything pointing to Sony somehow hating superchargers because you can't get them stock on Japanese cars.

I mean, that's the most ridiculous post I've seen in awhile.

I love the Elise, the SLK, the TVR's and the Vipers. I use these for about half the events in the game. You could easily win the entire game and only get Japanese cars for Race of Red Emblem, Altezza Race, Vitz Race, Type-R Meeting and Evolution Meeting.

GT3 was made in Japan, released first in Japan, and they didn't have any trouble getting manufacturers to allow all kinds of Japanese cars. Just what do you want? They weren't allowed to include Lamborghinis, Ferraris or Porshes.

Are you just pissed that your mom's Bonneville didn't make it in?

I suppose you shouldn't listen to me anyway. I drive a Del Sol.
 
Judging by Cano's avatar, I suppose he doesn't hate the Japanese all the time... At least not when he's spanking to the ol' hentai. Anyone care to psychoanalyze the love/hate?
 
Ruling out any form of Nitrous, (Not nitro as some of you call it, thats totally different) is bull**** if they include Drag Racing. Im sorry, but the ability to have up to 250 horsepower extra the second you gain full traction, is irreplacable in the drag racing business. Sony was going to have it in the 2nd game but time out ruled them. It is rumored to be in Gt4, if it is, Nitrous must come right along side it.

Side note : It would be even funnier if they only had Turbocharged vehicles to drag with, ...real simluation
 
What I don't see is how can drag-racing be fun in a video game? You're just going straight for a quarter-mile. It would be so fun in real life, but I just don't see the excitement of it in video games. I don't want drag-racing in the GT series. I don't want nitrous either, I think that would ruin the GT series.
 
Originally posted by wildcard
What I don't see is how can drag-racing be fun in a video game? You're just going straight for a quarter-mile. It would be so fun in real life, but I just don't see the excitement of it in video games. I don't want drag-racing in the GT series. I don't want nitrous either, I think that would ruin the GT series.
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I agree. It would be wasted disk space that could be used for something GT related. I wish the game had more LeMans and GT style racing, like the name suggests. I hate how all the series races are a bunch a JGTC cars. It's pretty unrealistic unless you use one, too.

Drag racing in GT is a stupid idea. A few seconds and a bunch of noise and that's it. Wait! Lets watch the replay! A few more seconds. Woopee.
 
to BadBatsuMaru (if this qoute is pertaining to my previous post...)
"...I certainly don't see anything pointing to Sony somehow hating superchargers because you can't get them stock on Japanese cars.

I mean, that's the most ridiculous post I've seen in awhile."

if thats how u to0k what i said then i guess i didnt explain my reasoning the way i intended..

"u must consider the source, a driving simulator from japan. to my knowledge supercharging isnt nearly as big as it is here it the states and japan has seen turbo production (and tuner..) cars since, well, for a long time, so it only make sense for the emphasis."

i just meant to get the idea across that because japanese car manufactorers aren't as accustomed to supercharging as turbo charging (not that their incabable either...). it just comes across as the foced induction of choice in japan is a big fat snail shell and not a roots type blower, just a matter of taste that carried over to a video game made in japan, hence the bias on turbo's.
 
oh yeah, i also forgot to add i liked ur idea about superchargers bieng the severe minority in gt3 so they(or is the SLK the only one?) were represented po0rly, and just thrown in with the herd as a turbo...i just dont think my previous post deserved "I mean, that's the most ridiculous post I've seen in awhile"...that was a bit harsh for my, hopefully misundersto0d yet semi-logical, explanation.
 

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