Thoughts On Blocking

  • Thread starter Thread starter 200MphFord
  • 93 comments
  • 6,526 views
Status
Not open for further replies.
it's really annoying on the Nurburgring when people drive right down the middle when they know you're trying to pass
 
I think "intentionally" standing on the line of other adversaries to make it difficult for them to overtake, and hampering others as a "strategy" in an attempt to create the flow of the race favorable are different things in terms of obedience of rules generally applied in the competitions - the former being sly unless either of them has problems in their own actions during a race, the latter being receptive/safe within the regulations.

But if excessive blocking could last long that the opponent behind the blocker may be caused to be averted off the track or accidentally hit his car against the blocker, then the blocker can become an object for being temporarily penalised or some punishing steps afterwards in real racing I guess.
 
when I race online it's only with friends, and we always race as clean as possible. We stick to F1 rules with 1 block per turn. Usually that will commit the one in front to a certain line through a turn, so it adds another layer to race strategy. Kindof like a linebacker showing blitz before the snap and then backing into coverage. We usually try to match cars pretty closely, so there aren't cars that are obviously faster than the other. We also stick to the rule of the leader having right of way. It's my job to figure out a way to pass him cleanly. And sometimes just riding his bumper for a couple laps and him not shaking me is enough to stress him into making a mistake.
 
jubbyboi617
I have watched and loved NASCAR for 20 years, and the fastest way around any track is the inside. Would you want to drive the outside of every corner of the 'Ring? Nope. If you want to use the chrome horn on a 3+ lane track, then your antic is as pathetic as the perceived slower drafting cars. You also have another choice; leave the lobby.
BTW: I love and prefer road racing, any type, any level (GT, Touring, LMP, production class, F1, etc.)
Click to expand...

Ok having raced go carts and super modified stock cars 30 years ago on dirt and pavement you are not driving the low line to often.The low line is not the fastest way around a track.That is the problem with people driving in this game.Put the driving line on at Daytona and see how low the line is.Slower drafting cars,why are you drafting if your slower than the cars behind you.If you have watched any form of racing you would get the blue flag to move over because you are slower and impeding the faster cars.If you did it twice you would get black flagged and your race is over.
 
noisiaturismo
Whats wrong with blocking? It's like saying that somebody is a dirty driver by outbreaking instead of slipstream...
Click to expand...

In real life it's dangerous, and really unsportsmanlike. Look what happened to Rocky at Le Mans when that GT driver from NASCAR only accidentally blocked his pass. Imagine someone swerving all over the track to block faster traffic.

In the game, clean rooms are meant to simulate the skill of actual racing as much as possible given GT5's limitations as a "sim."

Aggressively blocking a faster driver is the equivalent of flipping over the chess board in the middle of a match. Clean driving is much more difficult to compete against, and more rewarding in the end. Anyone can throw their car around. I blame a-spec for teaching players that it's okay to do this.
 
ROYALEFATALE
it's really annoying on the Nurburgring when people drive right down the middle when they know you're trying to pass
Click to expand...

That's taking a defensive line though, or as some commentators put it 'making the car as wide as possible'. As long as they are not weaving to prevent you passing they aren't doing anything wrong.

In that situation you need to pressure them into making a mistake or trick them into moving out of the way. For example if you reach a slightly wider part of the track if you pull to one side as if to overtake on the outside they may take a wide line to try and cut you off. If you time it right you can then dive down the inside and make a clean and fair pass.
 
Tower Turn 13
In real life it's dangerous, and really unsportsmanlike. Look what happened to Rocky at Le Mans when that GT driver from NASCAR only accidentally blocked his pass. Imagine someone swerving all over the track to block faster traffic.
Click to expand...

What happened there?
 
I think it depends on corners is allowed but on a straight swerving all over so you can't pass is stupid

If you swerve every where I will bump you
 
Really a driver should only block once before allowing the chasing car to pass or else i feel it is dirty racing.
 
What if they are trying to catch you down the straight via slipstream and you weave to get them out of your slipstream.
 
Tower Turn 13
In real life it's dangerous, and really unsportsmanlike. Look what happened to Rocky at Le Mans when that GT driver from NASCAR only accidentally blocked his pass. Imagine someone swerving all over the track to block faster traffic.
Click to expand...

A. Waltrip wasn't driving.
B. Although I don't disagree on the 78 team's penalty, Rocky should've waited for a safer place to pass instead of trying to stick that move. Same with McNish's crash.

So I'm not too off-topic, i don't mind getting blocked once or twice, especially if the speeds are very close, it's when I have a massive run of speed compared to the other car and they're swerving so I hit them or the brakes that it gets on my nerves.
 
I personally think that blocking is okay untill a certain limit. For example if a guy is just right up my a s s and i know hes faster then i will ofcourse let him pass. But if the guy behind me is nearly as fast as me or a little bit faster its hes job to make the move and try to get by. I normally just hold my line and at the straights use one attempt of blocking. One thing that just annoys me about GT5 is the slipstreams.
They are way too efficient. In normal life (if some of you have experienced it or just seen a lot of car racing) the slipstream won't help you nearly as much as it does in GT5 and that ruins the part of the "One blocking attempt" at the straights from my point of view.
 
Constant blocking is cheating. A driver blocking should be kicked.

The lead driver has a right to any line he chooses. I'm perfectly fine riding someone's bumper through the entire Nordschleife until the back straight. If I'm faster than they are, I get to pass them > But the idea that the slower driver must surrender their position is absolute non sense. The car in second place must find a way around to get the lead. The lead car just can't "artificially" maintain his place by using things like ramming, shoving, brake check, swerving, and blocking.
 
Exorcet
Constant blocking is cheating. A driver blocking should be kicked.
Click to expand...

Blocking ain't cheating. It is in fact a really important part of the racing. It is one of the things that for example made senna a better driver than anybody else.

There is ofcourse a limit of how much you can block but blocking aint cheating at all....
 
I said constant blocking.
 
I consider myself as a clean but an aggressive driver, if its the last lap and someone is on my back bumper im going to block him, but not wreck him. If someone is trying to block me i dont wreck them. If they try to block they better be ready for a little nudge (not a ram) to throw him of sync to a point that i can pass him in an upcoming corner. But i expect the same from everyone i race with and i never get mad if someone is aggressive and is clearly better than me and gives me a nudge to get by
 
The idea of surrender is simply for reputation and respect. Unfortunately, we don't get to race with the same people, or for long enough races. I'd think that everyone would learn a lot about not needing to block and respectful surrender if the races weren't a single lap or 5 laps on a short track. Just watch any experienced driver(s) in a NASCAR or F1 race.
 
jubbyboi617
The idea of surrender is simply for reputation and respect.
Click to expand...

It kind of defeats the purpose of racing though. If you just let the faster ones go by, why not just qualify and then call it a day?
 
Exorcet
It kind of defeats the purpose of racing though. If you just let the faster ones go by, why not just qualify and then call it a day?
Click to expand...

Yeah if we're talking ovals, maybe. But then again I dont like those.
 
Landbergaren
Yeah if we're talking ovals, maybe. But then again I dont like those.
Click to expand...

I never race ovals. Any time you let someone pass just because they're faster, it's not really racing to me.
 
I think some blocking is perfectly find but there is a definite line which is not to be crossed like when blocking become "just a little contact" or anything that will effect the other opponents race, even if it's only by a fraction of a second or so.
 
Exorcet
It kind of defeats the purpose of racing though.
Click to expand...

I understand the premise may seem self-defeating, but it's not just moving over for any reason. There are conditions where it may be very helpful. Let's suppose you slip up coming out of a corner and are somewhat slower than the person coming behind. If you simply let the follower go heading into the next corner, knowing you're faster, you can come out of that next corner and get around your opponent. Even if you do not get past them, it may help you retain positions that you may have lost when you're battling that car (assuming it's not a 1-on-1 race and you're not dead last now). In scenarios like this it can be strategic and allow you to get back into your racing rhythm, and be faster as opposed to trying to fight off a faster car. I've heard many people say that they'll be patient being behind awaiting their passing opportunity, this can be a realistic extension--- I've seen it a lot.
 
Johnny's Rules of Racing

1. Never, ever move over to let anyone by, unless you are getting lapped. Make them earn their position. If they truly are faster, they'll get by on their own, without touching you in the process.

2. Block once and only once on a straight. You can maneuvre on a straight to keep someone out of your draft, so long as they are not close enough that contact may result. Once they are close enough for contact, one blocking move is ok.

3. If you haven't gained to my door handles by the turn in point of the corner, then the right to the driving line is mine. If you choose to ignore that, then expect some contact in the ensuing corners.
 
Johnnypenso
Johnny's Rules of Racing

1. Never, ever move over to let anyone by, unless you are getting lapped. Make them earn their position. If they truly are faster, they'll get by on their own, without touching you in the process.

2. Block once and only once on a straight. You can maneuvre on a straight to keep someone out of your draft, so long as they are not close enough that contact may result. Once they are close enough for contact, one blocking move is ok.

3. If you haven't gained to my door handles by the turn in point of the corner, then the right to the driving line is mine. If you choose to ignore that, then expect some contact in the ensuing corners.
Click to expand...

+1
But edit Rule #1: Be mindful of the other driver and their aggressiveness. If they are over eager to get by sometimes its smart to just let them and then ride their bumper wait for a mistake

Also, watch this video, the driver is a professional, and shows beautiful blocking technique:
 
Exorcet
I never race ovals. Any time you let someone pass just because they're faster, it's not really racing to me.
Click to expand...

What about a car that's way off pace, laps behind even, and refusing to give room to pole-chasers? Don't you think that's a little unsportsmanlike?

Though in most cases it isn't about letting faster cars by, it's about recognizing when someone is driving BETTER THAN YOU. After all, they caught up enough to make a pass, and if they can find the line to pass and are already taking it it's crappy to be a brat about it.

And no I'm not talking slipstreaming on SSR7. I'm talking technical cornering and a well-tuned car that puts another driver in front of you.

I also should re-iterate that I think the passing driver should already "have" the pass/line by the time they enter the corner in order for them to take it. I'm not saying give it easily. I'm just saying don't go nose-to-nose into a corner and slam someone off the track to take your line.
 
200MphFord
...other times it may just be that your holding your line through a tricky section and just trying to keep your car between the rumble strips.
Click to expand...

I just want to note that the leading car can drive however is most efficient for him to get through the corners (without cheating, of course, like cutting a chicane). I don't pick the outside and stick to the outside or pick to the inside and stick to the inside, but rather will take whatever route is fastest through the corner, so if that means starting outside and then diving inside and then drifting back outside, that's what I'm going to do. Doing so isn't maneuvering to block, but rather is simply taking the race line through that turn.
 
I am of the opinion that blocking is fair enough as long as a block doesn't turn into a attempt to take someone off the track. As soon as someone gets anywhere near the side of my car I allow for the fact that they are there and dont continue to try and stop car going past.
 
Blocking in my books, wrong. Driving defensivly is not blocking. The one line change rule on straight is defensive driving. 2 line changes is blocking. Usually if Im racing with a car behind me, I'll race through corners with about half a car width between me and the inside line. That way I cant be over taken on the inside and that forces them to teh outside, if we take a corner on to a straight, Ill leave half a car width between me and the inside line then as we get to the straight, Ill leave 3 quaters car width between me and the ideal line track edge. I wont change my line through the corner or on a straight as I dont mind having to overtake all over again because if Im ahead of them in the first place, Ive got to be quicker than them somewhere. Thats just my 5 cents worth.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back