Thrustmaster T80 Driveclub Edition Steering wheel

[Bfc_1882]

There's lots of talk from everyone about this wheel but not many hard facts on its use ability compared to the Logitech wheels. What I would like to see is a review from somebody who has tried the T80 on gran turismo 5 or 6 who previously used either a DFGT, G25 or a G27 on gran turismo to compare how good or bad the T80 is. And to give an honest report on if the T80 is worth the risk of buying considering it's fairly cheap price. If somebody has tried it on gran turismo as well as driveclub then they may be able to give good feedback on a more sim racing game for when project cars is released. (I think driveclub looks a bit too arcade like for me) "only my opinion though"

 

[zr1chris]

There's lots of talk from everyone about this wheel but not many hard facts on its use ability compared to the Logitech wheels. What I would like to see is a review from somebody who has tried the T80 on gran turismo 5 or 6 who previously used either a DFGT, G25 or a G27 on gran turismo to compare how good or bad the T80 is. And to give an honest report on if the T80 is worth the risk of buying considering it's fairly cheap price. If somebody has tried it on gran turismo as well as driveclub then they may be able to give good feedback on a more sim racing game for when project cars is released. (I think driveclub looks a bit too arcade like for me) "only my opinion though"

It has a bungee cord instead of FFB. That should tell you right there how it compares. This T80 isn't even in the same league as the Logitech wheels you mentioned.

 

[Bfc_1882]

It has a bungee cord instead of FFB. That should tell you right there how it compares. This T80 isn't even in the same league as the Logitech wheels you mentioned.

Yes but is it an acceptable quick fix for £80 until either other wheels become available or they sort out the drivers for PS3 wheels? I don't really want to go spending £60 per game that I'm not going to get full pleasure from by having to use a DS4.

 

[zr1chris]

Yes but is it an acceptable quick fix for £80 until either other wheels become available or they sort out the drivers for PS3 wheels? I don't really want to go spending £60 per game that I'm not going to get full pleasure from by having to use a DS4.

I my opinion, no. I had a wheel that used a bungee cord back in the PS1 days. I returned it to GameStop the same day.

 

[sailworksman]

I tried the T80 on day one of Driveclub. Coming off the G27 and TX for XBOX One, I could not stomach it. Returned it to the store and bought the T500. There is no comparison. High end wheels rule.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

NOTE THIS IS THE OPINION OF A RACING GAMER COMING STRAIGHT FROM VIDEO GAME RACING WITH A RACING or DS3, DS4 CONTROLLER (Called the HKS Hypermaxiii) if you currently have one of these controllers or something comparable to it like one of these this post is for you,:

If you love Racing Games or Sims but play them with one of these because you don't want to spend the cash, or you don't want the Force Feed Back experience, The Thrusmaster T80 will be A great option for the next step in your racing game experience, if you are contemplating making the transition to A wheel set, I got my Thrustmaster T80 yesterday plugged it in, and really enjoyed myself, It was rough at first because I'm so use to little input for maximum response that you get with racing controllers, but if you get A T80



(DON'T FORGET TO SET THE WHEEL SENSITIVITY ON THE WHEEL)
ADJUSTING THE WHEEL’S SENSITIVITY (on PlayStation®3 only)
On PS3 Console, there are 3 available sensitivity modes for your wheel’s steering:
- NORMAL
- MEDIUM
- HIGH
• To change the wheel’s steering sensitivity:
- Press and Hold the UP and DOWN paddle shifters while Simultaneously pressing the D-pad
- The wheel’s LED changes color according to the selected sensitivity level.
- The wheel’s steering is now either more or less sensitive.
WHEEL’S STEERING SENSITIVITY LED COLOR
NORMAL RED
MEDIUM ORANGE
HIGH GREEN
• Internal memory for saving the wheel's steering sensitivity:
The steering sensitivity level that you have chosen is automatically saved in the product’s internal
memory, even when the console is powered off or the wheel is disconnected.
Therefore, there’s no need to change the sensitivity level again every time you start up a game.
IMPORTANT NOTES REGARDING PLAYSTATION®3
- Set the wheel’s USB sliding switch to the PS3 position before connecting the wheel to the PS3 console.
- In 1 player mode: if your official PlayStation®3 gamepad controller is powered on, you must switch it to
controller port 2 in order for your wheel to be functional.
- On PlayStation®3, the wheel is only compatible with PlayStation®3 games, and will not function with
Playstation®2 games.
- In some racing games, don’t hesitate to test out your wheel’s 3 steering sensitivity modes, to optimize
its precision and responsiveness.

ADJUSTING THE WHEEL’S SENSITIVITY (PlayStation®4 games only),
On PS4 Console the T80 Racing Wheel is recognized as a real wheel and Preset options are available in the In-Game Wheel-Option Menu for better responsiveness and enhanced precision. and not as a gamepad,

- To change the mapping, go to the game’s OPTIONS menu, and then select WHEEL SETTINGS.
- To change the sensitivity of the wheel’s steering, go to the game’s OPTIONS menu, and then select WHEEL SETTINGS.

The T80 has Approx. 135° of Wheel Rotation from 0° to Clockwise Lock, and 270° from Lock to Lock,


and some more expensive Wheel Sets has 900° or even 1080°, but as a reminder an F1, LMP Proto- Type, DTM and some GT3 Cars has only 180° of rotation, from 0° to Clockwise Lock, and 360° of rotation from Lock to Lock, any Race car that has a steering wheel like this :
steering rotation is NOT designed to turn hand-over-hand on F-1 styled wheels, only GT4 or less have complete oval steering wheels,

but I look at it like this, The higher the wheels degree of rotation, the greater the steering correction needed to turn or stabilize over steer, most race cars are about 900° from lock -lock from from what I've seen, but coming from a DS3 Racing controller 900° to 1080° of wheel rotation may be too challenging for some who are use to DS3 steering, so it may be better to start with less wheel rotation. There are threads about wheel rotations, if you would like more detail, but for me, My lap times are getting faster and faster because of the better pedals control in braking and acceleration, no need for ABS or Traction Control because of the increase in control of the pedals, so if you use and are really good with a DS3 racing controller you will love this wheel, but just give it a couple days and you will improve your lap times, because of the increased control, I'm happy with mine, I'm going to wait until GT 7 before I upgrade to the T300RS unless I find Project Cars and F1 2015. Right now it is sold in the U.S. at Walmart for $90.00 plus $12.00 for the 3 year Service Plan, Frys.com for $99.00 but no service plan available

And on Amazon for $99.00 World Wide. The only Negatives in this Wheel Set is: #1 The Wheel is Not Modular (It Is Not Detachable or Interchangeable) so any add-on wheels are NOT optional (F1 Wheel or Ferrari GTE Wheel, GT). and #2 T80 peddles are NOT Compatible to the T3PA (Optional Clutch and Peddle Set) nor the TH8A (H-Pattern Manual Shifter), But if you are just transitioning from a DS3 or DS4 Controller or Racing Controller you may be spending A little while getting use to just the wheel and peddles, This gives you all the practice you need with a AT (Automatic Transmission) then try the MT (Manual Transmission) Once you get use to Wheel and Peddle Sim Racing. I also bought the Ultimate Wheel Stand for $89.00 (On Amazon.com) which isn't as good as the Wheelstand Pro (Reason) Ultimate Wheel Stand doesn't secure the pedals to the base, but I Duct Taped mine, so now it stays in place without shifting, You won't have to worry about the pedals sliding forward, because the Ultimate Wheel Stand has a lip to prevent that from happening, but it will shift Left or Right, If I had known the T80 was this good I would have spent the extra $50.00 and got the Wheelstand Pro for the T80 for $139.00+ shipping, but overall The Ultimate Wheel Stand works well with the duct tape and plus the shipping was FREE!

Here is A link to Thrustmaster Technical Support for T80 instruction Manual, and wheel compatibility information.http://ts.thrustmaster.com/download/accessories/Manuals/T80RW/T80_Manual.pdf

 

[Max Weismann]

DO NOT BUY THAT WHEEL - GET THE T100

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

DO NOT BUY THAT WHEEL - GET THE T100

Hey Max, are you still running the Alpine club??

The T100 Is A great Option If you are sure you want Force Feed Back, it cost $143.38 at Walmart and you can get A service plan for $19.00, But you have already double the cost compared with the T80 without being sure you will even like wheel and Peddle Sim Racing, Funny Story, I talked with the Distributors of Wheel Stand Pro, with all of the Wheels Sets with FFB They own, T300RS included, her daughter only races with a DS3, So everyone doesn't enjoy it, but if you are sure you want FFB but can't spend the extra money to get the T300RS, the T100 is a Great option, The only negatives is, it is not fully compatible with the PS4, you will be able to race on PS4 console, but you will have to use it in conjunction with a DS4 Gamepad as well to navigate the Menu, and use share options.

 

[Max Weismann]

Never did, you got the wrong Max

 

[Max Weismann]

I'm only on Motegi Speedway - 550pp Any car

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Sorry Max, Good to meet you though, That is the only negative with the T100, It's not fully functional,

it is not fully compatible with the PS4, you will be able to race on PS4 console, but you will have to use it in conjunction with a DS4 Gamepad as well to navigate the Menu, and use share options.

and it cost twice as much as the T80.

 

[Max Weismann]

We raced together recently. T100 is $125. The T80 has a rubberband for resistance no feedback and it wears out easily-$70 to replace the bungee. T100 has gears, I got mine in May and have won over 3,000 races with it--my stats say.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

We raced together recently. T100 is $125. The T80 has a rubberband for resistance no feedback and it wears out easily-$70 to replace the bungee. T100 has gears, I got mine in May and have won over 3,000 races with it--my stats say.

I have had my T80 since about 12/07/2014 I will update if the bungee ever breaks, and I will announce it on this thread, but I seriously doubt if it does, For the record Most Bungee Cord Jumpers replace their bungee cords every two years, and they put the bungee to a lot more stress than this little wheel ever will, plus Walmart has a 3 Year service plan for only $9.00, so if it does break, take it to your local Walmart for another one, I know once you own Force Feed Back Wheels, It would be difficult for most FFB users to admit the precision of the T80 wheel, and some would claim impossible for it to be percise, but we know better, give them A choice between A T80 and A DS3 or DS4, and if they say they would rather have a gamepad, it would be because they don't like racing with wheel & Peddle Sets at all, if not for that reason, we can discredit every word they say afterwards, but there is great benefit for the T80 if you are transitioning from a Gamepad, maybe not as enjoyable transitioning from a FFB (Force Feed Back) wheel, unless you don't like the force feed back experience, and I have witness that as well, so every Sim racer/Auto Sport Gamer has to be well informed and make the decision for them selves, I know I did, I bought the T80, and I wouldn't change it for the T100, my next wheel will be a T300RS, and after I purchase it I will post the comparison on this thread, but to be honest, the more I use this T80, the more I love it, but the only negative is the T80 is

T80 is NOT Compatible to the T3PA (Optional Clutch and Peddle Set) nor the TH8A (H-Pattern Manual Shifter),

But the T100 has the same short coming, it is basically a T80 with Force Feed Back for twice the money and not fully compatible to next Gen. PS4 Console and niether is the T500 it is not fully compatible to the PS4 as well, that is why my next wheel will be a T300RS.

 

[Max Weismann]

Wrong, it is compatible with PS4, The Crew, Project Cars, Driveclub and GT7

 

[Bfc_1882]

DO NOT BUY THAT WHEEL - GET THE T100

I have to disagree on the T100 I bought one and tried it on driveclub and on GT6 and on both games I couldn't turn corners enough to get round at maximum speed the when just would not turn enough. If there going to make wheels that only turn 280 degrees or whatever then they need to program the games to need less input to compensate for the lack of turning circle. Needless to say it went straight back to the shop. So basically it's a case of spend minimum £270 on a T300 or even more on a T500 if you want a full experience that the logitech wheels gave on PS3

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Wrong, it is compatible with PS4, The Crew, Project Cars, Driveclub and GT7

GT 7????? Who has specs on GT 7???

I'm afraid I'm not wrong my friend, but correction, I said FULLY compatible on the PS4 console, The T100 and the T500 are NOT FULLY compatible on the PS4 New gen Console.

you will be able to race on PS4 console, but you will have to use it in conjunction with a DS4 Gamepad as well to navigate the Menu, and use share options.

I got the Email straight from Thrustmaster because one of my online racer buddies were telling not to buy the T80, buy the T100 so I investagated the matter, here is the the Comment from Thrustmaster:

My message:
Is The T100 compatible with The PS4 system because I'm seeing people playing Drive Club on PS4 with a T100 wheel here is a link and it is also mentioned as a wheel that Project Cars supports on PS4 here is A link http://www.projectcarsgame.com/beyond-reality.html So what is the facts on the compatibilty for the T100 wheel?

Thrustmaster's Response:
Dear Mr. Haulin_Hebrew
Regarding your T100 FFB.


We thank you for your interest in Thrustmaster products and for reaching us regarding your inquiry.

The T100 FFB was designed as PS3 compliant gaming device:

http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/t100-force-feedback-racing-wheel

http://ts.thrustmaster.com/download/accessories/Manuals/T100FFB/T100_FFB_Manual.pdf

To be able to use the unit on the PS4 console you need to first check with the game developer. The unit cannot be used on the menu PS4 console as it is not detected. But if the game developer (like in the case of DriveClub and Project Cars) decides to include support for this particular wheel model then you are able to use it.

Regarding the use of the unit on the PS4 console:

- For a better FFB we recommend to deactivate the auto-center of the wheel. For this press the FORCE BUTTON = F on the wheel (the led must not blink!)

- In the menu of the console the wheels calibrate but stick to the left side, forcing the FFB motor. We strongly recommend to plug the wheel to the PS4 once the game is started!!!

- Launch the game with the gamepad

- ONLY after the game is launched, connect the wheel to the console (the wheel will auto-calibrate)
Play!

We rest at your disposal for any other inquiries.

Thrustmaster Technical Support is at your disposal for any other information you may need. You can reach us online at the following addresses:

http://ts.thrustmaster.com/eng for the latest updates and FAQs

T500RS PS4 Compatibility http://ts.thrustmaster.com/eng/index.php?pg=view_files&gid=3&fid=15&pid=317&cid=12

or by telephone at one of the numbers listed on the following page:http://ts.Thrustmaster.com/eng/index.php?pg=contact
Kind regards,

Your Thrustmaster Customer Support Agent, Octavian

PS: To ensure the most efficient follow-up of your query, please be sure to include the reference number [*************] of your file in the subject line of any emails you may send us later on.

All links are current so you can research it yourself

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

I have to disagree on the T100 I bought one and tried it on driveclub and on GT6 and on both games I couldn't turn corners enough to get round at maximum speed the when just would not turn enough. If there going to make wheels that only turn 280 degrees or whatever then they need to program the games to need less input to compensate for the lack of turning circle. Needless to say it went straight back to the shop. So basically it's a case of spend minimum £270 on a T300 or even more on a T500 if you want a full experience that the logitech wheels gave on PS3

(DON'T FORGET TO SET THE WHEEL SENSITIVITY ON THE WHEEL on The PS3 ONLY) and you do that by: [Holding both paddle shifters and pressing the direction pad Up or Down until the led on the wheel turns GREEN] That will remove the Latency or Dead-Zone from the wheel for perfect precision steering,

I'm not sure about the T100, but I bought the T80 twice, because the first time I bought it, i Did not know there was a wheel sensitivity option or setting to reduce latency on the wheel, then I saw a youtube video on how to set the sensitivity, and I realized That's why it had so much latency , so I repurchased the 2nd T80 I set the sensitivity LED to Green and it was perfect on my PS3 with GT6 ZERO latency perfect precision steering. You will have to ask @Max Weismann if the T100 has the same sensitivity options to nullify Latency.

Here is the Video
PS3 Console Setting Only,



PS4 Console Setting Only Wheel Sensitivity and Transmission
On PS4 Console the T80 Racing Wheel is recognized as a real wheel and Preset options are available in the In-Game Wheel-Option Menu for better responsiveness and enhanced precision. and not as a gamepad,

- To change the mapping, go to the game’s OPTIONS menu, and then select WHEEL SETTINGS.
- To change the sensitivity of the wheel’s steering, go to the game’s OPTIONS menu, and then select WHEEL SETTINGS. (The LED does not change color on the PS4 Console.

 

[Bfc_1882]

Yes I can confirm having tried the T100 on PS4 that the wheel will only work in-game and will NOT work in the XMB menu.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Yes I can confirm having tried the T100 on PS4 that the wheel will only work in-game and will NOT work in the XMB menu.

Thanks for your confirmation @Bfc_1882, I had this Email about the limits of the T100 since Dec 3, 2014 that is why I bought the T80, You can also play Head to Head with T80 Racing wheels on the PS4, That's Something you can't do with the T100, unless one of the wheels is a T80, because you have to have menu navigation in which the T100 can't do, either a T80 or DS4 plugged in one port for the menu navigation.

 

[Speedy__17]

Come next March, I will have played racing games on PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 with a controller (all Dualshocks). I am at the point where I won't get any better and plan on upgrading to a T300RS. I've never experienced FFB and am not really sure, if it's right for me. I believe so, but I think I'll turn it down quite a bit. Could anybody explain how FFB really feels? Can't imagine it.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

plan on upgrading to a T300RS. I've never experienced FFB and am not really sure, if it's right for me. I believe so, but I think I'll turn it down quite a bit. Could anybody explain how FFB really feels? Can't imagine it.

I may not get one until GT7 is released, unless Project Cars Is just that good, then I will get one sooner, here is a link that really breaks down what Force Feedback Does, and How it works:
http://www.isrtv.com/forums/topic/15959-the-crew-force-feedback-extra-tuning-pc-version/

But in brief FFB: Is like Rack and Pinion Steering and slightly different in every game because it is simulated by game programmers, but slightly tunable to every drivers preference, so depending how you tune your Suspension, Brakes, and Drivetrain will effect how it feels, so if you ask three drivers how it feels, you may get three very different answers


FFB is computed from the tire physics, the tire physics compute 4 things,
Lateral Forces
Longitudinal Forces
Vertical Forces
Torque Alignment

Tire Load
Tire load, is how much weight there’s on the tire, the weight of the car is pushing on the tire.
Front Tire load is increasing when the car is braking, when there’s bumps, or compression from the beginning of a slope, it’s decreasing when car is accelerating, when there’s holes, and it’s zero when the car is in air.
The more load on the front tire the more stronger is the FFB.

Tire Slip Angle
When the car is moving and you turn the steering wheel, you change the front tire angle and so increase the tire slip angle, which create a lateral force , and a tire torque alignment. The more you turn the wheel the stronger the FFB.

Tire Camber
When the car is moving, if the tire lean left or right, the angle with the surface is called the camber, the more camber , the more lateral force and torque alignment and so the stronger the FFB.
Camber is symmetrical between the left and right tire, means that if the left tire is leaning to the right, the right tire is leaning to the left Otherwise the car would not drive straight. So on a flat straight line, FFB from camber of left and right tire are cancels each other.
When 1 tire drive on a bump/hole, it’s change the camber on this tire, which create an asymmetric value in the torque alignment between left and right tire, which create a force in the FFB.

Tire Damper

The whole steering components from tire , steering rack , and steering shaft, have frictions and damping. With this params you can control that.
Damping is a force that acting against the motion on the steering wheel. So if you turn slowly the wheel to the left you will have a slow FFB force to the right, If you turn fast to the left, the FFB will give a stronger force to the right.
There’s 2 damping force, static damping, and rolling damping.

In summary with this params you can control how much you will feel bumps and holes.

So now that you know how it works apply these factors into your tuning preference, and driving style, and that will give you some impression how it feels.

 

[Speedy__17]

Thank you. So in order for me to still be able to move after a longer race, I'll have to tone it down. I really want some FFB, but not that strong.

The thing is, I'll buy a T300RS specifically for Project CARS on PS4.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

So in order for me to still be able to move after a longer race, I'll have to tone it down. I really want some FFB, but not that strong.

I think the idea is to adjust the FFB to feel the road through the wheel like a real car, not to throw you through a window.

 

[Speedy__17]

I think the idea is to adjust the FFB to feel the road through the wheel like a real car, not to throw you through a window.

I know, but what happens if I lose control at 300 kph, want to save it by counter steering and ultimately end up in a wall?

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

I know, but what happens if I lose control at 300 kph, want to save it by counter steering and ultimately end up in a wall?

Enjoy my friend, I will have one soon if project Cars is all that it seems, and if not I will wait with my T80 until GT7 is released, let us know how it is once you get it.

 

[GothicVillas]

hello everyone. Im new to GT Planet, just signed up to tell you how good is T300
im coming from Logitech background and didnt want to do anything with Thrustmaster. I was furious that Logitech have left the field. But then couldnt resist and got T300 to go along Driveclub. This is probably the best decision i've done in years. Wheel feels superb, never had such fun with Driving Force or G27. Just recently treated myself on Christmas with a gear shifter... needless to say this is how the racing is meant to be. Shame it cost top dollar but it is WORTH it.

As you can see i have modified my wheel stand labor of love!
I will be posting videos soon. Stay tuned on YT - GothicVillasGaming

Edit: Sorry, failed to upload pics. Now i have cracked it and G+ is the answer
Scroll down for pics.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

hello everyone. Im new to GT Planet, just signed up to tell you how good is T300

Welcome to GT Planet GothicVillas, nice post, but wrong thread, this is a Thrustmaster T80 thread, for your post to get the attention it deserves, you should have posted it on a T300RS or Logitech G27 Thread, that way people looking to get feedback for the T300RS will see you post, and note your input for there decision to buy or not, peace.

 

[GothicVillas]

Welcome to GT Planet GothicVillas, nice post, but wrong thread, this is a Thrustmaster T80 thread, for your post to get the attention it deserves, you should have posted it on a T300RS or Logitech G27 Thread, that way people looking to get feedback for the T300RS will see you post, and note your input for there decision to buy or not, peace.

Thanks. Yea i realized that and did post also under t300 afterwards also have to give credit to a webmaster guy who helped me out to tidy up my first posts lol

 

[GothicVillas]

I have had my T80 since about 12/07/2014 I will update if the bungee ever breaks, and I will announce it on this thread, but I seriously doubt if it does, For the record Most Bungee Cord Jumpers replace their bungee cords every two years, and they put the bungee to a lot more stress than this little wheel ever will, plus Walmart has a 3 Year service plan for only $9.00, so if it does break, take it to your local Walmart for another one, I know once you own Force Feed Back Wheels, It would be difficult for most FFB users to admit the precision of the T80 wheel, and some would claim impossible for it to be percise, but we know better, give them A choice between A T80 and A DS3 or DS4, and if they say they would rather have a gamepad, it would be because they don't like racing with wheel & Peddle Sets at all, if not for that reason, we can discredit every word they say afterwards, but there is great benefit for the T80 if you are transitioning from a Gamepad, maybe not as enjoyable transitioning from a FFB (Force Feed Back) wheel, unless you don't like the force feed back experience, and I have witness that as well, so every Sim racer/Auto Sport Gamer has to be well informed and make the decision for them selves, I know I did, I bought the T80, and I wouldn't change it for the T100, my next wheel will be a T300RS, and after I purchase it I will post the comparison on this thread, but to be honest, the more I use this T80, the more I love it, but the only negative is the T80 is



But the T100 has the same short coming, it is basically a T80 with Force Feed Back for twice the money and not fully compatible to next Gen. PS4 Console and niether is the T500 it is not fully compatible to the PS4 as well, that is why my next wheel will be a T300RS.

Hey Haulin. My friend just got his T80 and immediately reported sensitivity issues. Apparently in Driveclub there is no way to adjust sensitivity. How did you overcome this problem? Cheers

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Hey Haulin. My friend just got his T80 and immediately reported sensitivity issues. Apparently in Driveclub there is no way to adjust sensitivity. How did you overcome this problem? Cheers

See comment #47 on this thread, There are two videos, One for PS3 and One for PS4. enjoy!