Time Trial #54

[Stotty]

How much will I gain if I use a good gear setup? Because I'm using default with top speed 180, any help please

I wouldn't think you'll gain that much as the car has so much torque... I was short shifting out of the last corner (c.500rpm short of the red line in 3rd/4th/5th) last night and it made no difference at all to my speed over the line (141/142mph) vs running to the limiter.

However, why wouldn't you stick an already posted gear set on your car? It would only take a minute or 2 and then you wouldn't be 2nd guessing!

 

[GTPMcBride]

I'm imagining a situation where a guy rolls into E.R. on a trolley.
Both arms in a sling. Nurses just shake their head and the Doctor says
"Another noob using ABS".

I had a go without Active Steering or ABS earlier on my 2nd account,
.....took some getting use to , managed a 1'17.8x
I left the tune on your profile if you want to try.

Lmao yeah will do thanks 17.8 thats awesome lap.. 0.600 off your time that makes me feel alot better

 

[GTPMcBride]

Not sure how using ABS causes that, and in any case, you're doing something seriously wrong if that's what's happening Try slowing down a bit more for the corners and you won't get that level of understeer

Yeah i put ridicoulous amount of steering lock into my cars sometimes more than 180 degrees lol but with abs am not used to it, i brake early thats my style an try take as much corner speed an with no abs i can angle the car alot better i would like to be able to use active steering an abs.. I quess its what am used to.. Now i want a 17 that will be limit of my pathetic DFGT pedals

 

[GTPMcBride]

I hear you but then using no aids is your personal choice as using a DS3 is mine and I know that I pay a penalty for that but isn't that half the fun? Trying to compete with the others but doing it your way?

You're not doing so badly 👍

Cheers yeah i suppose i do chuckle abit when my friends try beating my time with aids an abs lol... If the things are their to help you so be it use them but i cant well not yet... Your on Auto Argon? U crazy lol...

 

[BanditKarter22]

Yeah i put ridicoulous amount of steering lock into my cars sometimes more than 180 degrees lol but with abs am not used to it, i brake early thats my style an try take as much corner speed an with no abs i can angle the car alot better i would like to be able to use active steering an abs.. I quess its what am used to.. Now i want a 17 that will be limit of my pathetic DFGT pedals

I imagine this fine throttle control is difficult with those pedals, unfortunately I can't test it because my DFGT throttle pedal became glitchy, hence upgraded to G27

 

[Stotty]

Yeah i put ridicoulous amount of steering lock into my cars sometimes more than 180 degrees lol but with abs am not used to it, i brake early thats my style an try take as much corner speed an with no abs i can angle the car alot better i would like to be able to use active steering an abs.. I quess its what am used to.. Now i want a 17 that will be limit of my pathetic DFGT pedals

Does rather sound like you're over driving the car on corner entry

If you're interested in running faster lap times, here are a few quick tips...

1. Understeer is biggest killer of lap times

2. To be quick, you need to be fast exiting the corner, not entering it - extra speed gained on the exit is carried for far longer than extra speed carried between the braking point and the apex.

3. The amount of throttle you can use is inversely proportional to the amount of steering lock you have applied - less lock means you can use more throttle.

A bit less entry speed = less understeer = less steering lock needed = more gas on the exit = more exit speed = faster lap times

 

[GTPMcBride]

I imagine this fine throttle control is difficult with those pedals, unfortunately I can't test it because my DFGT throttle pedal became glitchy, hence upgraded to G27

Well suppose the more money you spend the better the pedals i quess.. Fantastic time Bandit..with that choice of camera view.. I used to race that view when i was on a pad.. But now i use the bonet view where i can see the nose of the car.. Yeah i need to get a G27

 

[Stotty]

Well suppose the more money you spend the better the pedals i quess..

The pedals are the big difference between the DFGT and the G series wheels... I actually prefer the steering feel of the DFGT though.

 

[GTPMcBride]

Does rather sound like you're over driving the car on corner entry

If you're interested in running faster lap times, here are a few quick tips...

1. Understeer is biggest killer of lap times

2. To be quick, you need to be fast exiting the corner, not entering it - extra speed gained on the exit is carried for far longer than extra speed carried between the braking point and the apex.

3. The amount of throttle you can use is inversely proportional to the amount of steering lock you have applied - less lock means you can use more throttle.

A bit less entry speed = less understeer = less steering lock needed = more gas on the exit = more exit speed = faster lap times

Cheers stotty for the tips i will try be smoother but that feels odd.. I do put quite a bit of steering lock as mystyle in general but this car isnt to bad for me as steering in puts go.. I just got to learn throttle an steering angle together that should cure my understeer..

 

[WightSparky]

How much will I gain if I use a good gear setup? Because I'm using default with top speed 180, any help please

Comparing laps with 180 & 137 range. I found the 180 was pretty equal in 1st sector, Quicker on the downhiil at beginning of the 2nd sector and then slower through the infeild. Lap times equal. 137 range is easier to work with.

 

[GTPMcBride]

The pedals are the big difference between the DFGT and the G series wheels... I actually prefer the steering feel of the DFGT though.

Yeah it does feel nice, who wants to trade a DFGT for G27... Nope didnt think their be anyone lol.. But yeah you need the force feedback up to 10

 

[WightSparky]

Sotty,
Im loving this car with your tune. Well done, thanks.

edit: forgot to mention i just broke into 1:17's, just finding a little time here & there. Numbnuts just in front again.

 

[McLarensFinest]

I wouldn't think you'll gain that much as the car has so much torque... I was short shifting out of the last corner (c.500rpm short of the red line in 3rd/4th/5th) last night and it made no difference at all to my speed over the line (141/142mph) vs running to the limiter.

However, why wouldn't you stick an already posted gear set on your car? It would only take a minute or 2 and then you wouldn't be 2nd guessing!

I put your gear setup on but it wouldn't let me get the same as your gears for some reason mate that's why I put it on default lol

 

[Argon]

Cheers yeah i suppose i do chuckle abit when my friends try beating my time with aids an abs lol... If the things are their to help you so be it use them but i cant well not yet... Your on Auto Argon? U crazy lol...

Yes, I run auto, I'm too lazy to shift em myself I keep having a go at manual shift but every time I try I end up adding 3-4 seconds a lap to my time.

Yours is great time with no aids though. Heck I'd be chuffed to get it with my bad habits

 

[numbnuts70]

Sotty,
Im loving this car with your tune. Well done, thanks.

edit: forgot to mention i just broke into 1:17's, just finding a little time here & there. Numbnuts just in front again.

I did notice lol.
Well done m8-good time 👍

EDITops,thought you said you were ahead of me ,it won't be long before you are though

 

[tmsmiffs]

I don't see the steering lock setting. I'm assuming this is something you do when you upgrade from the DS3 to the G27.

 

[numbnuts70]

On for a time to beat my best by just over 0.5secs and I get to the last tunnel and the dreaded message comes up-'You have been signed out of the PS network'.

Ah well,at least if I can string it together I should be looking at a low 17s.

 

[SirAlanClive]

3. The amount of throttle you can use is inversely proportional to the amount of steering lock you have applied - less lock means you can use more throttle.

A bit less entry speed = less understeer = less steering lock needed = more gas on the exit = more exit speed = faster lap times

Errm....what's steering lock?

 

[numbnuts70]

Errm....what's steering lock?

Its just a term for the amount of steering angle.

When you turn your 900 degree steering wheel all the way to the left,then all the way to the right,it's called 'lock to lock'.

 

[SirAlanClive]

Its just a term for the amount of steering angle.

When you turn your 900 degree steering wheel all the way to the left,then all the way to the right,it's called 'lock to lock'.

That's what I thought, but Stotty's on about the amount of steering lock applied and the amount needed, and McBride said "I put ridiculous amount of steering lock into my cars sometimes more than 180 degrees lol" That can't be the same as 'lock to lock' can it?

 

[GTPMcBride]

That's what I thought, but Stotty's on about the amount of steering lock applied and the amount needed, and McBride said "I put ridiculous amount of steering lock into my cars sometimes more than 180 degrees lol" That can't be the same as 'lock to lock' can it?

Steering lock is the amount of steering angle that you use to turn as someone mentioned here.. On some not all cars i would turn maybe 150 to 180 degress.. Basically vertical on the wheel.. I know am maybe over steering but thats why i have setups to adjust to mystyle somewhat strange :/

 

[GTPMcBride]

I put your gear setup on but it wouldn't let me get the same as your gears for some reason mate that's why I put it on default lol

100percent engine power needed but we can estimate roughly if its in the 90's i quess.. Gears set to default Max speed all the way right then left.. Final gear all the way right.. If 6th gear 0.780 or any figure really multiply it by the max hprange 7100 or whatever then divide it by the max torque.. An the figure you get is your 5gear ratio.. Do for every gear.. Then take final drive to the left where it suits top speed.. Best to have 100 percent engine power.. If i completely wrong please tell lol..

 

[GTPMcBride]

#what i mean by final gear all the way right i actually ment the final drive am such a noob..

 

[PR1VATEJ0KER]

Yeah it does feel nice, who wants to trade a DFGT for G27... Nope didnt think their be anyone lol.. But yeah you need the force feedback up to 10

I'm using a DFGT, but my FFB is on 4!
10 slows down my steering too much & makes counter-steer a real ball-ache

 

[Adrenaline]

With full rear ballast (and a relatively low levels of rear camber), the C6 doesn’t feel like it needs much help rotating on entry so I haven’t tried negative… my expectation was that negative rear would make corner exits more tricky.

Only thing I’d like to change is to reduce the mid corner part throttle understeer, but only if that doesn’t make it harder to get on the throttle.

The +ve front toe discussion we had some weeks ago has been a bit of an eye opener… I’m now a complete convert and much prefer the way it feels to –ve.

Then allow me to attempt to open them again.

I haven't tried your setup, and maybe I'm too easily assuming the '06 drives like the '00, but the negative rear toe will ditch that mid corner understeer, less noticeably while accelerating, but overall as a whole. Allow the car to rotate a bit more in the early-transition stage of the center, then getting to the gas slightly sooner, with more 'angle' and the on throttle understeer is now an exit aid that allows you to apply more gas without looping the car.

If the above creates an 'entry' with too much rotation, like you seem to be worried about, then you can add LSD Braking Sensitivity to your setup. What this does, is tightens up the car on entry, (counter acting the -toe, but on entry only) during braking/coasting, but then still allows you the benefit of the -rear rotation through the rest of the turn.

I'm also not a supporter of Initial @ 5, but I keep seeing it pop up on the alien seasonal setups, so maybe I'm wrong. I might have to take the '06 out for a spin, but I really did prefer the '00. I'm quite surprised I'm one of only 3 people in the top 150 using it.

Typical disclaimer about how this is just my personal thoughts/theory on the game known as GT5 as a whole, with no data to back it up as the newest 2.10 version hates the world and things might be different, and I might have made it up and I might have been guessing and being crazy and whatever else registered trademark copyright 2013 stuff.

 

[McLarensFinest]

1.17.988 woo hoo lol still have to tenths to get if I can handle the pressure ;-) one lap later 1.17.900

 

[Stotty]

I'm using a DFGT, but my FFB is on 4!
10 slows down my steering too much & makes counter-steer a real ball-ache

Looks like it's working - great time 👍

Then allow me to attempt to open them again.

I haven't tried your setup, and maybe I'm too easily assuming the '06 drives like the '00, but the negative rear toe will ditch that mid corner understeer, less noticeably while accelerating, but overall as a whole. Allow the car to rotate a bit more in the early-transition stage of the center, then getting to the gas slightly sooner, with more 'angle' and the on throttle understeer is now an exit aid that allows you to apply more gas without looping the car.

If the above creates an 'entry' with too much rotation, like you seem to be worried about, then you can add LSD Braking Sensitivity to your setup. What this does, is tightens up the car on entry, (counter acting the -toe, but on entry only) during braking/coasting, but then still allows you the benefit of the -rear rotation through the rest of the turn.

The rear of the '06 is pretty much perfect in my set up for me - rotates nicely on entry and has as much rear traction as a car with that much power on SH tyres has a right to have

I tried -ve rear toe this evening out of curiosity, but it creates the problem I suspected - it makes the rear of the car less predictable when you get back on the gas at the apex... someone with better throttle control than me might be able to manage it, but I just can't hit the gas with the neccessary level of accuracy.

What I have done is reduce the amount of +ve front toe, which helps the car maintain a line through the middle part of the double spex right at the bottom of the hill.

Still haven't got THAT lap yet though

I'm also not a supporter of Initial @ 5, but I keep seeing it pop up on the alien seasonal setups, so maybe I'm wrong.

I've never used it before (I'd normally be something around 10/12/5 on something this powerful), but it does seem to work on this one - the lower initial does allow a higher accel, and the higher accel gives better rear traction - well, it stop the feeling of the power bleeding away when you 1st get on the throttle.

I might have to take the '06 out for a spin, but I really did prefer the '00. I'm quite surprised I'm one of only 3 people in the top 150 using it.

As always, people look at what's in the top 10 and jump on the band wagon. I'm the same - I don't really have enough time to test multiple cars and it seems a better use of my time to see what's already identified as fast and really concentrate on that one.

If I tried another car now I could spend a few hours testing it, only to find out it wasn't qucik enough... in a few hours I could run a lot of laps and hopefully improve.

 

[WightSparky]

Just had a great first sector, then my nerves started to fall apart and could'nt keep it going. Hit 21.899. Checked the replay the first corner absolutly perfect even min speed 103mph. Need carm down a bit before another go, but if i can get it consistantly i'll let you now how.

 

[BanditKarter22]

Just had a great first sector, then my nerves started to fall apart and could'nt keep it going. Hit 21.899. Checked the replay the first corner absolutly perfect even min speed 103mph. Need carm down a bit before another go, but if i can get it consistantly i'll let you now how.

Perfect first sector is 21.656 Keep trying

 

[Mercury1]

I really don't get some people... are you really that lazy, or are you just looking for an excuse to whine?

It's not going to take you more than a few minutes to look though this thread and find a number of decent tunes. I posted a tune for the RS200 on Saturday morning that 3 or 4 people have used to get in the top 10.

It probably took you longer to write that drivel than it would have to find a tune for your car on here.

I dispare sometimes.

Thank you for your intelligent and considered reply. Sorry to have made you 'dispare'. I see in a more recent post you refer to having a 'little smoke' No surprise I guess, but I do rather despair that the moderators suffer it. You would do well to remember that it is called 'dope' not 'smart'.