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CSA on strong with weak ABS is my new favourite setup in GT7, works in any car lol.
It truly does, thank you. I feel so validated right now finally reading this from a legitimate alien 🤣

Will be joining the fun probably tomorrow. For those of you seeing „crome“ on their leaderboards - that’s my brother visiting while I‘m sitting on the train home from a work trip … don’t feel too safe ;)
 
Super proud of this one! I had never finished top 1000 before. I know that’s not Alien status, but out of 170k entries that’s pretty dang close!

I hadn’t even golded this TT until the start of my play session last night, then put in lap after lap after lap nailing most every corner and probably set about 20 different gold laps. Might’ve even had another tenth or two in me if I kept grinding but wasn’t gonna crack top 100 to join you aliens no matter what. But hey, top 500 here I come one day!

EDIT: Looks like I dropped one place after this screenshot, but 724th is easily my best placement. Previous best according to Half_Sourly's data was 2227th! Usually I attempt a TT a few days after it drops, get to around 5k-8k place, secure a gold, then call it a day on the TT, but this has given me some more motivation to push even harder going forward!
 

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It truly does, thank you. I feel so validated right now finally reading this from a legitimate alien 🤣

Will be joining the fun probably tomorrow. For those of you seeing „crome“ on their leaderboards - that’s my brother visiting while I‘m sitting on the train home from a work trip … don’t feel too safe ;)
AH_HAH! That explains my position above you! :lol:
 
The NISMO is just an awful, awful thing, what a horrible car. Feels like it weighs 5000KG, there's no sense of speed, the weight transfer is terrible and that's before we get to the pogo-ing. I think i can get gold but honestly cannot be bothered as it is so joyless.

The 4C at TM should be much better, some actual grip and front end bite to play with for once.
 
Well hey, at least the new TT doesn't involve any Vision cars, they are the worst to control and navigate at Trial Mountain. Good luck folks, enjoy the last day of July by racing through the track and tunnels. Be careful at the first two turns as if you go too fast, you can lose your balance and go offtrack and hit the wall. If you don't feel strong doing a lap on your own, don't hesitate to turn on the assists. This is good advice for beginners/amateurs.

Take care TT community and have fun out there!
 
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The results for TT153 at Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps in the HYUNDAI N 2025 Vision Gran Turismo are over here. I have updated the opening post with the index of all TTs and the second post with the community scoreboards. A reminder that each driver's results for every TT is in the Excel file attached to the latest results post.

Here are some interim statistics for TT154 at Kyoto Driving Park - Yamagiwa in the NISMO R34 GT-R Z-tune '05. Looks like it might be a tough one.

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Is the CSA beneficial for wheel users too or just the controller?
Even more so. My unverified take is that CSA performs quick microcorrections that stabilise the car and would be hard to pull off on a wheel consistently, but next to impossible to pull off on a controller consistently given the very limited travel of the stick. Which is why I believe that some sort of CSA is baked into the controller scheme anyway, and hence activating it explicitly doesn't do much for a controller player. But it's very noticeable on a wheel. If you like it or not is another question - I do. In fact when I was still toggling between CSA on and off I often thought that CSA provided not only the less frustrating, but also the more realistic experience. These days I just don't turn it off anymore.
 
Even more so. My unverified take is that CSA performs quick microcorrections that stabilise the car and would be hard to pull off on a wheel consistently, but next to impossible to pull off on a controller consistently given the very limited travel of the stick. Which is why I believe that some sort of CSA is baked into the controller scheme anyway, and hence activating it explicitly doesn't do much for a controller player. But it's very noticeable on a wheel. If you like it or not is another question - I do. In fact when I was still toggling between CSA on and off I often thought that CSA provided not only the less frustrating, but also the more realistic experience. These days I just don't turn it off anymore.
What is the main difference between ASM and CSA if you don't mind me asking?
 
Even more so. My unverified take is that CSA performs quick microcorrections that stabilise the car and would be hard to pull off on a wheel consistently, but next to impossible to pull off on a controller consistently given the very limited travel of the stick. Which is why I believe that some sort of CSA is baked into the controller scheme anyway, and hence activating it explicitly doesn't do much for a controller player. But it's very noticeable on a wheel. If you like it or not is another question - I do. In fact when I was still toggling between CSA on and off I often thought that CSA provided not only the less frustrating, but also the more realistic experience. These days I just don't turn it off anymore.
Apart from this assist, sometimes TC1 is very helpful. One more detail to look into is the sensitivity option. Having the right amount of sensitivity matters which depends mainly on the car driven.
 
What is the main difference between ASM and CSA if you don't mind me asking?
Official answer: (https://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/gt7/manual/drivingoption/03)

・Active Stability Management (ASM)
Active Stability Management (ASM) is intended to prevent your car from spinning out, and can be turned on or off. When turned on, it will sacrifice speed for an easier driving experience. It should be turned off if you are looking to severely shave some time off your record.
[ UNOFFICIAL EDIT: Unless you are at Spa in a HYUNDAI N 2025 Vision Gran Turismo ]

・Countersteering Assistance
Set the strength of the countersteering assistance feature, which automatically rights the car when it has oversteered and its rear end has swung out. At the 'Weak' setting, a certain amount of oversteer is permitted. At the 'Strong' setting, even a minimal amount of oversteer will activate the system, enabling a stable driving experience.
 
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Really enjoyed this one this morning! Sorry its a bit later had to go into work this morning! Does mean only 1 ghost to unfortunately but still should be useful! All 3 laps are still included here though!


Always look forward to Your lap guides Mate. Thanks for always adding a DS4/Controller lap too as that's what I use. Your braking markers is what always is the most beneficial. Thanks again @Tidgney
 
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CSA on strong with weak ABS is my new favourite setup in GT7, works in any car lol.

It truly does, thank you. I feel so validated right now finally reading this from a legitimate alien 🤣

Will be joining the fun probably tomorrow. For those of you seeing „crome“ on their leaderboards - that’s my brother visiting while I‘m sitting on the train home from a work trip … don’t feel too safe ;)
Yes to this. I've been on it for a while and it really helps the car feel like a car and less like a game. Ymmv but you two validate my thoughts. 👍👍🔥🔥
 
Official answer: (https://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/gt7/manual/drivingoption/03)

・Active Stability Management (ASM)
Active Stability Management (ASM) is intended to prevent your car from spinning out, and can be turned on or off. When turned on, it will sacrifice speed for an easier driving experience. It should be turned off if you are looking to severely shave some time off your record.
[ UNOFFICIAL EDIT: Unless you are at Spa in a HYUNDAI N 2025 Vision Gran Turismo ]

・Countersteering Assistance
Set the strength of the countersteering assistance feature, which automatically rights the car when it has oversteered and its rear end has swung out. At the 'Weak' setting, a certain amount of oversteer is permitted. At the 'Strong' setting, even a minimal amount of oversteer will activate the system, enabling a stable driving experience.
OK. To me though it kinda just sounds like the same thing. Like, if you are oversteering and about to lose the back end, ASM saves you in theory by countersteering and stabilizing the car. Doesn't that sound like just another way to say countersteer assistance?

Maybe a better way of phrasing that would be, is all CSA also ASM, while maybe all ASM isn't CSA?
 
OK. To me though it kinda just sounds like the same thing. Like, if you are oversteering and about to lose the back end, ASM saves you in theory by countersteering and stabilizing the car. Doesn't that sound like just another way to say countersteer assistance?

Maybe a better way of phrasing that would be, is all CSA also ASM, while maybe all ASM isn't CSA?
I think ASM does more than just oversteer control. CSA mostly (in my experience), works on traditional corner exit oversteer, i.e., you are less likely to spin out on exit if your right foot is too heavy.

ASM prevents you from spinning out in any situation, not just corner exit. I do not know what it does, but expect it stops corner entry understeer, corner exit oversteer where relevant, corner exit understeer where relevant (probably its greatest benefit in the Spa VGT TT that finished this morning), probably limits body roll through corners, etc.
 
I think ASM does more than just oversteer control. CSA mostly (in my experience), works on traditional corner exit oversteer, i.e., you are less likely to spin out on exit if your right foot is too heavy.

ASM prevents you from spinning out in any situation, not just corner exit. I do not know what it does, but expect it stops corner entry understeer, corner exit oversteer where relevant, corner exit understeer where relevant (probably its greatest benefit in the Spa VGT TT that finished this morning), probably limits body roll through corners, etc.
OK yeah so then kinda what I was getting at. CSA seems to be the first step and then turning on ASM seems to be an even higher level of assist. Seems to me like CSA should in turn be on by default if you enable ASM, but yeah. I generally try to have no assists on other than maybe the occasional TC for weather or for grid starts, but I did use ASM for the Hyundai Spa TT since I saw it recommended so highly on here. Probably why I placed as high as I did :lol:
 
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In my experience ASM rarely works and impedes you more than anything, with few exceptions, when you’ve got something very, very fast, like the past Hyundai N 2025 VGT. It also worked with the McLaren VGT at Suzuka. Those are two examples that come to mind where it was beneficial, otherwise it’s not.

Personally I often find CSA changes the car charactheristics to the worse but I know those who use it to great effect and produce top 100 times every week. It feels different but you won’t be slower if you can drive properly with it.
 
Those are two examples that come to mind where it was beneficial, otherwise it’s not.
It was also very useful in the GTWS race in the wet/damp at Tokyo as well. That’s may makes me think it’s a sort of version of ESP/DSC etc

CSA is designed to catch oversteer only with the weak setting being “let it slip a little” strong is catch it as it’s happening.

It’s all a black box though.
 
Lol I don't check in here enough but you all are so dang good at this game. I was ecstatic last night breaking into the top 1000 at Spa and then I see posts about you all saying "had a decent time, could probably lower my time a few tenths with a bit more work" and then you show your current time and you're already top 100 in the World :lol: :lol: :lol:
lol hey don't worry too much. I'm pretty happy if I get into the top 5000
 
lol hey don't worry too much. I'm pretty happy if I get into the top 5000
Same. I generally look at a TT and if the top 5-7k are gold level times I feel good about my odds. I don't do them every week because often times I'll get sucked into playing any number of other story games on PS5/PSVR2 or Switch/Switch 2. Also dabbled in Forza Horizon 5 for a while after that dropped on PS5.

All that to say tho, I generally feel like I'm a pretty solid driver in GT7, but this forum is humbling :-) In a good way though!
 
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