Time Trial No. 53

[sdkflu]

first time at this circuit for me (motegi), I don't have DLC to buy this track, so you have to learning the track online first, am irrelevant on setup a race car, at least after 20 laps i got the gold (but the gold as always is not so hard to take) with lap time 1'.50".889 with Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R ’08 with stock car setup, now i make little practice and we see, but i think the good setup is very important for really good lap time... oh my god, i am not good mechanic

 

[te?]

Did some laps today happy with my result on the madrid TT while i need to learn more on motegi.

Motegi - 01:49.170 (Takata Dome NSX)

Madrid - 1:29.187 (GTR Spec V)

Both were done with DS3 all aids off except ABS1.

Hope i could further push the times in the coming days.

After laps and laps of learning the road course of motegi i finally had the urge to push the Takata Dome NSX bit by bit.

There are really quite alot of ways to take turns 1 to 2 i noticed and then very precise throttle management through turns 3 to 4 that 1st sector is still very experimental for me.

Anyways i bested my old record of 1'49.170 down to 1'47.656. Quite hard to get a more faster time but im hoping i could still push it.

 

[JHKnight427]

You have to find it in the UCD. The '03 car is actually pretty difficult to find compared to the other cars GT500 cars.

Thanks...any recommendations for a competitive GT500 for this TT? Im about a lap away from getting gold time in the ARTA NSX but if its not competitive for a sub 1000 ranking I don't wanna spend a lot of time on it. Got 557th overall in the SLS and would love to better that here. That Takata 06 good enough? sorry for rapid fire questioning.

 

[Argon]

Thanks...any recommendations for a competitive GT500 for this TT? Im about a lap away from getting gold time in the ARTA NSX but if its not competitive for a sub 1000 ranking I don't wanna spend a lot of time on it. Got 557th overall in the SLS and would love to better that here. That Takata 06 good enough? sorry for rapid fire questioning.

I was using the Honda HSV for some early runs and easily got a 1:50.xxx. A bit of perseverance and a good tune should see you into the high 40's for sure.

FYI: Currently the top slots are held by the Loctite Mugen NSX 01 but looking down the top 250 then any 03 or 01 NSX and the Weider HSV make a showing. I couldn't see an 06 or an 08 NSX in the top 250

 

[Stotty]

Would it be advisable to add it to cars with oversteer and not to cars with understeer as a general rule of thumb?

My experience is that it does nothing but add understeer and I never fit it to any car, particularly as you can't remove it once done.

Last time I tried it was on the Elise for the Autum Ring TT - a car with a lot of lift off/brake oversteer and which might have benefitted from it... the car just had less front grip with it fitted and was slower as a result.

IMO there are much better ways to manage oversteer... such as dampers/camber/toe/ride height.

Others may have a different opinion!

 

[thiagoturbao]

Haven't been able to run this yet, but I have a couple of quick questions for anyone who's run a quick time...

I assume you are using used cars with no oil change?

I didn´t make great times, but i am not used to drive in madri, and was my first time on motegi.

madrid i used the r8, 4.2, bought new about 5 months ago about 1.000miles (used online everyday)...I was the second r8 last time i saw

motegi - first i use the takata 03 new (0km) and got a decent time using praianos tune (around 100th)...After a few races online i checked the used dealer and got a Mobil 01 with 5.000 miles (red oil lamp on), didn´t change oil and try again with the very same tune from the nakata. For the first time I felt my car pushing the same as the top10 ghosts on straights and exiting the corners.

 

[Stotty]

...got a Mobil 01 with 5.000 miles (red oil lamp on), didn´t change oil and try again with the very same tune from the nakata. For the first time I felt my car pushing the same as the top10 ghosts on straights and exiting the corners.

Thanks 👍

 

[thiagoturbao]

other thing that I just noticed...I gave 2 laps on Nordschleife online and after the race I could remove 12kg from ballast keeping the same PP lol

 

[rosckolove]

Can someone explain the Dirty oil concept to me?

Not just that it allows you to add power or remove weight. Why does it work?

 

[DTM]

Can someone explain the Dirty oil concept to me?

That's the BIG secret

 

[rosckolove]

That's the BIG secret

Thanks, anyone else?

 

[thiagoturbao]

guess it´s bcoz in theory the car lose performance, so you can add engine or remove ballast

 

[Stotty]

That's the BIG secret

Can someone explain the Dirty oil concept to me?

I always think of it like this...

PPT's seem to be a function of weight, weight distrubution, power, torque & downforce.

I haven't done any hard testing, but you seem to get better speed with more power than with more torque.

So if you can increase your power more than you increase your torque you'll generally be a bit faster.

On most cars I've looked at, changing the oil seems to disproportionately increase torque vs other upgrades. So the trick is to look at what upgrades deliver disproportionately more power than torque and fit those rather than doing an oil change.

 

[rosckolove]

So dirty oil takes away power and torque. while raising the PL will add mostly power?

 

[Stotty]

So dirty oil takes away power and torque. while raising the PL will add mostly power?

Yeah, that's where it becomes complicated!

Power limiting reduces power, but according to the graph on the settings page, doesn't reduce torque. However, that may just be the graphic - who knows with PD as they had a physics model pre 2.09 where the car handled better and was faster with max front ride and min rear

 

[kgnicol1888]

Hi Everyone!

New to the forum.

Does anyone Have a tune for the Mobil1 NSX? as i dont have the Dome.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yes, thats what I do. I have learned from doing the WRS TT's that in some cases, it does help the car. Guess it might be up to driver preference as to what kind of feel he likes the car to have, but for me it doesn't always hurt the car. But yea, whenever I start an event, I always have two cars to do comparisons. Thats always one of my starting points. If you don't experiment, then you will never know and you may even be surprised at the results. Nothing against anyone as advice is always welcome, but if you continue to take everyone at their word, then you are missing some discoveries.

I've always been of the mind that as silly as PD seems sometimes, there must be an edge to chassis reinforcement for some cars, I've just not been willing to commit the time to experiment and find out for myself... I just wish it was removable, it is a videogame after all. If you remember I'd be curious to know a couple of cars it helped you with as I wouldn't mind trying it myself.

 

[wolverest]

Try'd using the premium nsx and wasn't getting good times at all so I went and refreshed my ucd and looky what I found! The loctite!!!! Yay!!! Lucky me!

 

[Adrenaline]

I wonder how Adrenaline would do with it? And haven't sighted a time for Cargo' here yet.

I'm not a Time Trialer. I put an hour into when it came out, got bored and haven't gone back since. I spend 99% of my time on this game racing in open lobbies. I respect all the aliens, and admire the amount of work/time/effort/dedication they put into their lap times, but I simply do not possess the desire to run laps by myself all day every day.

I will test out the other Takata tune that was posted, and hopefully 2.09 has corrected the online/offline issues, but previously I had found that Seasonal Setups, don't transfer well to Online Lobbies, which is where I do all of my tuning, and all of my setups are based on Online physics. But I think 2.09 has helped make the game physics more consistent across all formats.

As for the Chassis Reinforcement, I agree it helps some cars, but also agree as a general rule of thumb, it appears to add understeer. NASCARS were one of the odd balls, where Reinforcement made a noticeable different in Daytona Lap times, and that's when I started paying a lot more attention to it.

Finally, No, the 06 NSX's aren't any good, in comparison to the older 00, 01, and 03.
Last night I tested the Loctite, Mugen, Mobil and Takata back to back with the exact same setup, and I still personally prefer the Takata for whatever reason.

 

[MrWednesday]

I haven't done any hard testing, but you seem to get better speed with more power than with more torque.

If your transmission is matched to your power curve, you'll always be in the max power area. If the torque peak is not in that area, you can increase max power without increasing max torque and the car will be faster for circuit driving.

Remember that torque and power are directly related. At a given engine speed, more torque = more power = faster. The key is that it's the part of the power curve that you drive in that matters, not a single point.

Power limiting reduces power, but according to the graph on the settings page, doesn't reduce torque.

Not true. It does reduce torque in the part of the output curve where power is capped. It may or may not reduce the peak torque, that depends on where in the output curve the peak torque falls.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Thought about that myself, wondered if it was meant to be -10 / +15.

Over to you Doodle'.

Just picked up your car Killer, let you know how it went with me behind the wheel. (stabbing buttons actually)

First impression Killer, brilliant. I just dropped down from 1:50.2 to 1:50.06. Your car corners easier and faster for me than Adrenaline's does. I would have been in the 1:49's but I was so excited telling my son about it as I was coming to the finish line I forgot to change gears. He pointed that out to me, ha ha.

I wonder how Adrenaline would do with it? And haven't sighted a time for Cargo' here yet.

Next lap...1:49.8. Down to #818 now.

Aww, how sweet. Does my buddy Dalone miss me? Sorry, but you won't see a time from me here. I haven't participated on a competitive nature in these TT's for some time now. I've been deverting all my time and energy towards the WRS TT's. There is alot more to be learned by doing those events and plus you also get rewarded for your efforts. Just about a month ago I recieved a double promotion for my efforts and improvement. I also find that sticking to one particular car while trying to compete is of great benifit as opposed to switching between the handling charactoristics of more than one car. Thats the reason I don't do both. I find that if I stick to one car and one track, I fair much better in the final results.

So, sorry you miss me but if there is a Seasonal TT that really strikes my fancy, I'll be back for some fun. Until then, heres a hug and kiss for you, love and miss you too my friend. LMFAO!! (jk of course)

 

[rosckolove]

If your transmission is matched to your power curve, you'll always be in the max power area. If the torque peak is not in that area, you can increase max power without increasing max torque and the car will be faster for circuit driving.

You don't match your transmission to your power curve..

You set the trans up to maximize the range of the tranny and maintain power out of hairpins, and to eliminate shift lag.

The only thing you can change in terms of transmission to utilize the power curve, is your own shift points.
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Your other point is real life based. Are you sure that applies in the game?

 

[Adrenaline]

The only thing you can change in terms of transmission to utilize the power curve, is your own shift points.

Lol... No.
You pick what RPM you shift at, but how you setup your trans is what dictates what RPM you drop to in the next gear. And since you can alter what RPM you land on in the next gear, you can tune it to land in the part of the power curve you want.

 

[lldantell]

This event wasn't easy but possible.just need a very clean lap

 

[wolverest]

YAY, rank 403 with a time of 1:48.654 (654 lol). Here I come top 250, and hopefully there I'll stay!

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Lol... No.
You pick what RPM you shift at, but how you setup your trans is what dictates what RPM you drop to in the next gear. And since you can alter what RPM you land on in the next gear, you can tune it to land in the part of the power curve you want.

Exactly this. I set up my trans according to this advice and immediately improved my lap times. My improved lap times were also more consistant. I would consider this advice to be the best as I have tried other people's theories and not one worked as good as this. This is the way you want to do it.

 

[wolverest]

OMG YESH! I used a combination of doodles tune for my suspension and 30/50 areo with my own trans, and got top 250 first lap. Thanks for posting the tunes guys really helpful! And hear I've been thinking of taking all the aero off!

 

[rosckolove]

Lol... No.
You pick what RPM you shift at, but how you setup your trans is what dictates what RPM you drop to in the next gear. And since you can alter what RPM you land on in the next gear, you can tune it to land in the part of the power curve you want.

I disagree with that.... I think you should make the gear spacing as tight as possible, and then figure out what a good shift point would be.

Your saying your giving up tight gear spacing and adding shift lag so you can have the RPM drop to a specific amount?

I'm a little confused, as I thought tight gear spacing was the most beneficial thing you could accomplish in tuning a trans during hot laps...Your going to make the gears taller to get the RPM drop to a desired spot?

Please someone run a test and see whats faster on route X

 

[Adrenaline]

I disagree with that.... I think you should make the gear spacing as tight as possible, and then figure out what a good shift point would be.

Your saying your giving up tight gear spacing and adding shift lag so you can have the RPM drop to a specific amount?

I'm a little confused, as I thought tight gear spacing was the most beneficial thing you could accomplish in tuning a trans... Your going to make the gears taller to get the RPM drop to a desired spot?

Please someone run a test and see whats faster on route X

I simply said you CAN, because you said you can't.

But what good is a gear that goes 9000 to 10,000 RPMS
if the car makes max tq at 8000 and max power at 9000?

 

[rosckolove]

I tune the trans so without a draft going down the longest straight of a track I am in the peak power curve. Any gear before that I simply...... shift up?