To ASM and TCS?

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Are they basically a features that allow u to drive more easily or it's considered as part of the real tuning?

Do ppl actually uses them?

I'm trying to play this game as real as possible and dont like any AI help like making the steering easier or to control the acccelerator.

WIth some powerful cars, actually the TCS works really sweet to prevent the wheel from over-spinning. :)
 
ASM and TCS is for girls who can't control a real car or ham fisted begginers who don't know how to make there head control there hand. If you want a real driving experience go without it, especially considering most cars over 7 years old where never equiped with either. My suggestion is to setup your right analog stick as the throttle/brakes and take your time to learn a little finnes, you can drive much faster without the electronis nannies if you know how to drive.
 
jbruce100
ASM and TCS is for girls who can't control a real car or ham fisted begginers who don't know how to make there head control there hand. If you want a real driving experience go without it, especially considering most cars over 7 years old where never equiped with either. My suggestion is to setup your right analog stick as the throttle/brakes and take your time to learn a little finnes, you can drive much faster without the electronis nannies if you know how to drive.
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How do you feel about limited slip differentials?
 
LSD is entirely different than ASM or TCS. as stated they are driving aids. LSD is a performance part, usually aftermarket depending on the car. it allows a car to accelerate out of a corner faster by adjusting wheel torque and speed according to the turn. inside tire spins slower and has less torque distributed to it. outside tire spins faster, and has more torque distributed to it. a good way to determine the presence of an LSD, besides of course improved lap times, is a big smokey two tire burnout. no more wimpy pegleg burnouts
 
TC has it's uses in the GT series. I rarely use it, but on some cars, especially over power lightweight ones on a twisty circuit I'll try TC out, usually set to no more than 1 or 2 (obviously I am talking about GT3 here). Usually I'll end up turning it off, since it does slow you down a bit on straights or if it kicks in in places you don't want it. All it seems to do for mr, in GT3, is control wheelspin, especially out of slow corners.

I never use ASM.

TC isn't cheating to me. Then again I only use it on cars that it might be on in the real world. Putting TC on in say a VW original beetle in GT4 seems a bit odd, but running TC on a R34 skyline of Mclaren f1 doesn't.

You should learn to control the car with all aids off, but to get that extra .10 secs here and there, especially in OLR, having the option for TC is good.
 
I don't think its cheating, it doesn't give you any real advantage except that for a beginner its easier to control high powered cars. I used them when I first started out, but now I drive without ASM because, like some other people, I find it makes the car understeer. In low powered cars I turn off TCS but in my higher powered cars I put it at one or too, cuz I'm not that good at the game yet. :)
 
Evo7GTA
I don't think its cheating, it doesn't give you any real advantage except that for a beginner its easier to control high powered cars. I used them when I first started out, but now I drive without ASM because, like some other people, I find it makes the car understeer. In low powered cars I turn off TCS but in my higher powered cars I put it at one or too, cuz I'm not that good at the game yet. :)
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It isn't a question of being good at the game or a good driver. TC is a tool, like how you can tune your car, to help you produce faster times. It will help out in certian situation but more often than not it will slow you down, especially if you set it too high.

Using TC isn't a crutch. it doesn't mean you are any good. Some of the fastest guys out there will use it. It all depends on the car and circuit.

ASM I've never understood though...why one would ever use it. So that one is a mystery to me.
 
lmracer
LSD is entirely different than ASM or TCS. as stated they are driving aids.
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Hmmm, that's shaky ground is it not? LSD is older, and a mechanical technology, but it achieves the same result of controlling power in a manner conducive to avoiding loss of control and giving better lap times. I mean ASM and TCS are not acceptable, but electronic torque split is fine in Skylines, or active yaw control in Evos?

I don't disagree with you, but all of them are "driving aids" - just TCS and ASM are added by PS2 whereas the others are built into the cars.
 
i always use tcs on regular cars with a certain amount of power, ill say over 5 or 600. its not as bad on the race cars or the lm cars, so for those i put it on if they have power over 7 or 800. i never use asm (that doesnt look right, i mighta use the wrong abbreviation).

i use a ds2, so it might be easier to control the throttle with a foot pedal, therefore allowing the tcs to be turned off on high powered cars. my pressure senstive x button is getting worn out.
 
ASM is supposed to control the pitch and roll of the car in cornering, ie. preventing one side of the car bottoming out. Since this isn't as much of a factor in the GT series as it is in real life, it is useless in the game.
 
Can you turn off the asm and tsc off on all cars at once or do you have to go through each one at a time


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In GT concept (which I play the most quick and easy fun) with all the cars that are RWD or 4WD if you use the TCS and ASM you will have this :

1) a lot less fun, no powersliding,no drifting
2) slower lap times even if the vehicles are easier to handle what those things do is actually braking all the time without you knowing it

ASM is really a beginner driving help and it should be turned off as soon as you start to win races.
It's like a real-world car ESP it does not help for a sporty driving it slows you down a lot that's it, as in GT safety is not an issue I strongly suggest you disable it.

TCS can be used but only when you can set it to a lower setting than standard otherwise it will also slow you when you start re-accelerating.

One day I tought "hey why not try to play the game without TCS and ASM since I've got a logitech wheel I should be able to handle spin-offs better" and wow..in 3 laps on autumn ring with the skyline R34 not even trying to make a best lap ,only having some fun not only did I gain 7sec per lap on a TCS-ASM record it took me hours to do
but I end up with a nice replay where I'm drifiting most of the corners, mainly because I drove like a pig lol

It took me all three Gran Turismo's to seriousely try driving with no ASM stuff but believe me the game is a lot more fun now..bye bye understeer hello powerslides !!!
Ireally don't know why most of my friends simply refuse to try plaiyng without it when I watch my RWD replay and theirs I feel really sad for them..and my driving is really not that good.

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I love Zonda cars without ASM & TCS they are really fun to play stock no need to tweak them or stuff choose them and drift !!!
I don't know about the racing cars tough I mostly play with streetlegal cars ;)
 
Actually frankly speaking, i've never use the ASM & TCS since the GT series started.

Reason why i asked coz it's been so long already and i dont know if ASM and TCS is build in the Car or it's a Tools just in GT that aid and help making the car more controllable.

But now all GT4 car that i got always comes with it Enabled and usually i'm always too excited to try new cars and forgot to change them. LOL

And i notice how easy it is to drive them. Of coz, i do set them off. But the TCS really are quite sweet on those high powered car. Like thos 600ps type.

So now i can assume ASM and TCS is never a REAL CAR thinggy? It's just a tools built into GT4 right?
 
I'll put the TC on it's lowest setting if I'm driving something that will roast the tires to oblivion on the starting line. ASM I never use.
 
If you think TCS is useless, you must have absolutely no regard for your tires. When used at low levels (usually the lowest possible), you can still do some powersliding, but the TCS will reduce wheelspin enough to allow you to actually move forward when you uncork the engine, as opposed to just sitting there in a cloud of spent rubber.
Still disagree? Take your RL car, find the hardest, baldest tires you can, coat 'em in oil/grease, and go driving on wet ice. At full throttle.
 
Moadib
Hmmm, that's shaky ground is it not? LSD is older, and a mechanical technology, but it achieves the same result of controlling power in a manner conducive to avoiding loss of control and giving better lap times. I mean ASM and TCS are not acceptable, but electronic torque split is fine in Skylines, or active yaw control in Evos?

I don't disagree with you, but all of them are "driving aids" - just TCS and ASM are added by PS2 whereas the others are built into the cars.
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LSD is a bit different from TCS though. TCS prevents you from exceeding the limits of your tires' grip. A LSD actually increases those limits when accelerating out of a turn. Even with a LSD, a high-powered RWD can still exceed its limits, it just has more grip available before that happens. ASM and TCS compensate for driver error without increasing the car's abilities; a LSD actually increases the performance envelope of the car.
 
ASM definitely does negatively affect lap times once you can even somewhat control a car, but TCS is helpful in many situations. For those of you who say its for "girls", you shoudl check and see how badly you are beaten by people who use it.
 
It doesn't matter if it makes you go faster or slower, for me it's not pure driving, it's no longer you and the car alone when you start using these things. Like having an Automatic gearbox but even worse. One of my favorite parts of Formula one these days is during the pace cars when some of the more advanced drivers turn off the traction control and go sick to keep the tires hot, then you get to see who really can drive a car as only 3 or 4 guys turn it off and there is one man in a red Ferrari that really stands out in those conditions :0
 
Many of you realize ultra high performance cars have TCS... such as the Zonda. IN real life.

And TCS at low levels is extremely handy... as you can step on the gas sooner and not suffer as much oversteer wiht high power cars... if you have some over powered monster. If you are using power over to turn.. you need to work on your entry, as you are simply slowing yourselves down by breaking the read lose like that.

TCS is an aid, its helpful, and I do use it from time to time, depending on the course. It makes a nice safety future to prevent spinouts if the AIM bumps you as well :P
 
In GT4 tuning page about TCS and ASM, there is two value of ASM.

Someone Japanese/Chinese reading can explain this?
 
Barbol
In GT4 tuning page about TCS and ASM, there is two value of ASM.

Someone Japanese/Chinese reading can explain this?
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If I'm remembering them the right way around as I can't get my copy to look at the moment the top one says 'oversteer' and the bottom one says 'understeer'
 
b0bb1ns
If I'm remembering them the right way around as I can't get my copy to look at the moment the top one says 'oversteer' and the bottom one says 'understeer'
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Thanks b0bb1ns for your help 👍


Wow, If ASM controls understeer now, It can be useful after all :)
 
meh TC might help you get faster times or give you easier control but I feel like it's not realistic like that.
You should learn to control the gas pedal if you have the DFP

people with controllers its ok :P
 
I tried the New York track in an MR2 '86 model last night first with ASM and TCS on and then again without them. I used a DualShock 2 with buttons for throttle and brake for both races.

I got a much quicker time with them all turned off. It seemed to give much more control through the right angle bends and I was able to increase the power sooner and use a bit of power oversteer to get around the corners better. In a more powerful car though a little bit of TCS may be handy on a DS2 as it can be difficult to control the throttle on the analogue buttons, but I don't have many faster cars yet in my garage to check it out.
 

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