TOCA Season 4.2 - DaxCobra, Paul Mack, VenoMMotorsports Champions!

[Tom]

ftfy.

Not at all. It was the same with non-turbo vs. turbo engines in the BTCC last season.

 

[Carbonox]

Not at all. It was the same with non-turbo vs. turbo engines in TOCA last season, where the BMW was clearly the fastest.

'Nuff said.

 

[paulmac2k9]

Heres the Facts on Monza.

VW top speed: 156Mph
Mazda top speed: 149Mph
Infiniti top speed: 149Mph

VW lap: 1:59.7
Mazda lap: 2:00.9
Infiniti lap: 2:01.7?

 

[gokartman78]

Heres the Facts on Monza.

VW top speed: 156Mph
Mazda top speed: 149Mph
Infiniti top speed: 149Mph

VW lap: 1:59.7
Mazda lap: 2:00.9
Infiniti lap: 2:01.7?

149?! you've jumped in the car for a few laps and your going 3 mph faster than me! new car i think

 

[paulmac2k9]

Rotax said he got 149Mph....

 

[gokartman78]

new car for me then, only getting 147/6 . my car has already done 1000 miles. so new car it is

 

[Rotax23]

149?! you've jumped in the car for a few laps and your going 3 mph faster than me! new car i think

I was hitting 149. I will send you my transmission settings when I'm next on.

 

[gokartman78]

I was hitting 149. I will send you my transmission settings when I'm next on.

thankyou mate, im a bit behind on testing , need to get quite a lot done in the next few weeks

 

[Tom]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6984379#post6984379

 

[neljack]

Heres the Facts on Monza.

VW top speed: 156Mph
Mazda top speed: 149Mph
Infiniti top speed: 149Mph

VW lap: 1:59.7
Mazda lap: 2:00.9
Infiniti lap: 2:01.7?

Geezus, come on furi.......

EDIT: Im just gonna throw this out there, the thing im corncerned most about is we get to track like Spa for example and theres guys that arent VW's fighting for the championship, but because the VW's are dommiant (possibly) then those guys have to settle for fighting for 3rd/4th/etc which kind of takes an aspect out of TOCA, no?

 

[DaxCobra]

Geezus, come on furi.......

EDIT: Im just gonna throw this out there, the thing im corncerned most about is we get to track like Spa for example and theres guys that arent VW's fighting for the championship, but because the VW's are dommiant (possibly) then those guys have to settle for fighting for 3rd/4th/etc which kind of takes an aspect out of TOCA, no?

Agreed.

And if that doesn't work...

I think the Scirocco is dangerous, it goes too fast and may kill deer that run across the track.

ABS was dangerous, and many deer died at Cape Ring.

Think about the deer.

 

[Furinkazen]

Every car has strong and weak tracks. VW were 2 seconds behind at Cape Ring, did we penalise Honda or Mazda? No.

 

[DaxCobra]

Every car has strong and weak tracks. VW were 2 seconds behind at Cape Ring, did we penalise Honda or Mazda? No.

Tell that to Paul, he did his own tests and matched his qualifying time.

 

[Tom]

I disagree, Mazda's and Honda's should take advantage while the VW's struggle then we can pounce which makes things interesting.

Tell that to Paul, he did his own tests and matched his qualifying time.

Difference is, we're not Paulmac and don't have the speed of him.

 

[DaxCobra]

I disagree, Mazda's and Honda's should take advantage while the VW's struggle then we can pounce which makes things interesting.

But the VW is only .2 slower at Autumn Ring than PaulMac's 1.19.9...

Hardly disadvantaged.

Edit:

That's hardly the point though. We wouldn't let some guy in a FGT just because he is crap.

I'm just saying that this is the BMW all over again.

 

[Akmuq]

Every car has strong and weak tracks. VW were 2 seconds behind at Cape Ring, did we penalise Honda or Mazda? No.

Due to drivers, look at the testing times at Autumn Ring, it's 2 tenths off the Mazda, on an even twistier track, to be fair, if someone dialed in the Honda and did a couple of laps it would probably get another couple of tenths off, but still, if the VW is only 4 tenths off the Honda at it's worst track there is something wrong....

 

[DaxCobra]

Due to drivers, look at the testing times at Autumn Ring, it's 2 tenths off the Mazda, on an even twistier track, to be fair, if someone dialed in the Honda and did a couple of laps it would probably get another couple of tenths off, but still, if the VW is only 4 tenths off the Honda at it's worst track there is something wrong....

Thank you.

Again, think of the deer!

Scirocco's are too fast in straight line and will kill deer who think they can get across the track in time.

 

[Tom]

Thank you.

Again, think of the deer!

Scirocco's are too fast in straight line and will kill deer who think they can get across the track in time.

Put the deer in the town? 💡

 

[DaxCobra]

Put the deer in the town? 💡

That will not suffice, because the VW will still be faster than the others.

 

[Strawman Andy]

In 2010 BTCC no one noticed the Ford speed - why? Because it was not scoring high points. Until it was at Brands everyone saw the advanatage. Atm I see no reason as to why the VW should be capped because even though it has a huge speed advantage it doesnt handle well compared to the Mazda


Id leave it until we get to Spa or Monza - see what Furi, Tom and Sumo can do. If there not on pole by 0.5 to 1 second I'd leave it alone. I may of gone faster in itt - but maybe I liked the handling more, maybe I had different lines. Its not fair to judge a car which is not being driven by me or anyone else - unless its Furi and Tom and Sumo.


Strawman's view - Im outta here 👍

 

[DaxCobra]

At the end of the day, it's Furi's choice on weather he wants even cars or not.

But, I can see it being like last year when winners in the BMW would be almost ignored.

 

[Tom]

In 2010 BTCC no one noticed the Ford speed - why? Because it was not scoring high points. Until it was at Brands everyone saw the advanatage. Atm I see no reason as to why the VW should be capped because even though it has a huge speed advantage it doesnt handle well compared to the Mazda


Id leave it until we get to Spa or Monza - see what Furi, Tom and Sumo can do. If there not on pole by 0.5 to 1 second I'd leave it alone.


Strawman's view - Im outta here 👍

Agreed, could you send that replay now mate?

 

[neljack]

I still dont think it's right, I learnt the hard way (in everyone having ago) benefiting from it in S3, im not letting it happen again......

 

[Akmuq]

The VW can win at every single track just from being able to stay with the Honda/Mazda, the Honda/Mazda wouldn't be able to stick with the VW at the tracks that have straights(and because we have a host who loves straights, we have plenty of them) if the VW drivers are the same skill levels of the Honda/Mazda's.

Think of it this way, in Season 3 we turned the tyre wear off for one round before giving the BMW's 50KG's, Autumn Ring, they were a second faster then us and we couldn't keep up with them, however, when they got 50KG's, they were usually half a second faster then us and we could compete with them. Think of trying to compete with a car over a second faster then you, it's just awful, and will end up in the VW drivers giving out to us because we would be a nuisance to them because we are keeping up through the turns.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Aren't High Speed Ring, Monza and La Sarthe all the weather change versions though. If that's the case, rain can bring anything. (dread to think what the Volvo's like in it. )

 

[DaxCobra]

I'll just leave you with this...

At AR, which should be the VW's worst track, it is 0.2 seconds off the pace with the same driver and a basic set up.

At Monza, it is about 1.4 seconds faster than the Mazda with the same driver and a basic set up.

At least it can win at AR, but nothing will beat it at Monza, as long as the drivers don't bin it on all 3 races.

 

[Strawman Andy]

Agreed, could you send that replay now mate?

Nope - tired to upload onto PC and its not happy with it.

Im a bit busy here, homework, revision, dirivng lesson - Ive not had a 100% chance to try another way.
I can do it tomorrow - I'm just a bit over loaded atm - sorry mate, I know its annoying but my future has to come first - I need to pass exam

Hope you understand 👍

 

[Tom]

Nope - tired to upload onto PC and its not happy with it.

Im a bit busy here, homework, revision, dirivng lesson - Ive not had a 100% chance to try another way.
I can do it tomorrow - I'm just a bit over loaded atm - sorry mate, I know its annoying but my future has to come first - I need to pass exam

Hope you understand 👍

Not a problem at all mate, whenever you're ready. 👍

 

[Strawman Andy]

Not a problem at all mate, whenever you're ready. 👍

First thing when I get home I'll try uploading into an email or youtube or something 👍

 

[paulmac2k9]

The VW is easy to brake with 3/1 or 2/0, also when I tested it I was constantly in the 20s with my best, a near perfect lap, in it was a 1:20.4.

Then I made more tweaks to my Mazda and got a 1:20.8 but I lost 3 tenths on another lap which ended as a 1:20.8 so theres maybe a little more to come from the Mazda.

Did some testing te VW isnt slow at all around Autumn ring I got a 1:20.1 in the VW there. Managed a 1:19.9 in the Mazda. Then we went to Monza I did a 1:59.7 in the Vw and so far in the Mazda a 2:01.2...

Also VW top speed 156 mph, Mazda 149..

2:00.9 on the absolute limit maybe more in the mazda but im still 1.2 off the VW time I set.

The VW is in my testing 1:20.1 at AR and 1:59.7 at Monza. The Mazda is only good for a 2:00.9 maybe a 2:00.5 on the absolute limit. The VW is plain too fast at Monza and needs some sort of cap.

Heres the Facts on Monza.

VW top speed: 156Mph
Mazda top speed: 149Mph
Infiniti top speed: 149Mph

VW lap: 1:59.7
Mazda lap: 2:00.9
Infiniti lap: 2:01.7?

These tell the true story.