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Good. The thing was about to die flat on its face with TTA regs.
 
http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/06/25/longhurst-to-race-to-win-title-winning-bmw/

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So having watched some of the previous rounds and getting hooked, here I am still awake at quarter past 1 in the morning waiting for TCR International Buriram round 1 to begin. I certainly won't be watching round 2 live so hopefully the good stuff happens in round 1.

Edit: And 6-ish minutes ahead of the stream start I am literally the only soul watching.
 
GTracerEHTeam
So having watched some of the previous rounds and getting hooked, here I am still awake at quarter past 1 in the morning waiting for TCR International Buriram round 1 to begin. I certainly won't be watching round 2 live so hopefully the good stuff happens in round 1.

Edit: And 6-ish minutes ahead of the stream start I am literally the only soul watching.
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They had a football match against some kids team and it was pretty much literally just me and some other guy watching. Was good to watch though.
 
twitcher
Why are people always trying to say "this is better than that." Can't we just enjoy them for what they are, and be happy we have both?
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Because they look too deep analytically into the technical side - like all motorsport genres such as GT Racing and Sports Cars - to notice the racing. The mechanics of the car and thinks like the BoP. The success or failure hinges more on how good the car is mechanically or aerodynamically and how good and effective the technical regulations like the BoP are than what the racing is like. I think if they took a few steps back I am sure they would change their opinions.
 
Are there really only 11 cars on the grid for the WTCC race in China? And people are saying V8 Supercars are in trouble. Yeesh :scared:

Edit: 18 cars. There were a few damaged cars. Two starting from pitlane.
 
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http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/10/21/tcr-australia-plans-going-forward/
Australia looking to introduce TCR in 2017

Next year’s Bathurst 12 hours could feature TCR cars. The plan, including distribution, is being set up by Adam Hammond, who has clear ideas for the development of the concept down under.

“In order to dip the toe in the water, the aim is to get some of the cars out in time for Bathurst,” said Hammond to motorsport.com.

“We’ve spoken to both Supercars Australia and SRO – SRO already has TCR as a standalone category at the Sepang 12 Hour, so that’s no issue. They’ve come back and confirmed they can run in Invitational at Bathurst. And if we can get enough, we’ll look at having a TCR category at Bathurst in 2018. Then ideally we’ll kick off a series, with six rounds, in 2017.”

Their are plans for TCR to take part in the Australian Grand Prix support package, whether it’s a homegrown Australian championship, or a round of David Sonenscher’s TCR Asia championship, which already joined the Formula 1 support package in Malaysia.

Hammond also praised the help manufacturers have offered to make the project come to life, even by helping teams: “I spoke to all the manufacturers, and all of them were happy to supply cars, parts, most have been far more approachable than other categories I’ve worked with.”
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Do it!


Also makes me wonder if a team like BJR would be in on this.
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/10/21/audi-sport-overwhelmed-with-interest-for-the-new-rs-3-lms/
 
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016...-rs-3-lms-makes-racing-debut-at-nordschleife/
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Two cars were entered with former WTCC driver Jordi Gené driving together with Kelvin van der Linde and former DTM driver Rahel Frey driving with Christopher Haase, finishing third and fourth in the SPX class respectively and 17th and 22nd overall.

“The results were of secondary importance in this test run,” said Chris Reinke, Head of Audi Sport customer racing. “Far more important was the fact that both cars finished without any technical issues and that our drivers felt comfortable in difficult conditions. The successful test run on the Nordschleife was an important milestone in the development of the new Audi RS 3 LMS, with deliveries of the car beginning before the year is out.”

Audi had tested the RS 3 in Italy at Adria and Vallelunga prior to the VLN race with all three runs being made in preparation for next year when the car will be made available to teams and drivers for TCR.
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http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/10/29/stard-unveil-their-kia-ceed-tcr-challenger-at-mettet/
Vehicle
Vehicle Type – FWD Touring Car according to TCR regulation
Safety cell – 25CrMo4 FIA homologated safety cell
Body – Reinforced and enlightened steel bodyshell with carbon fibre aerodynamic bodykit
Glazing – Windscreen & reargate screen from polycarbonate
Vehicle Minimum Weight – Minimum Weight 1155 kg (empty) / 1285 kg (race ready incl. Driver)

Performance
0-100km/h – 4.4 seconds
Top speed – 251km/h

Engine
Type – Kia Theta II 4-cylinder engine, four valves per cylinder, direct injection
Position – Transversely Mounted Front
Supercharging – Turbocharger with driver adjustable anti lag system
Displacement – 1999 cm3 (Bore x Stroke : 81mm x 97 mm)
Exhaust System – Twin line stainless steel with 2x HJS WTCC “PE”catalysers
Lubrication – Wet Sump with Baffle Kit
EMS – Motec M142
Power – 350 hp @6400 rpm
Torque – 440 Nm @1970-4720 rpm

Electric / Electronics
Wiring Loom – Motorsport wiring loom with military spec connectors
Driver Display / Data Logger – Motec C127 Dashboard
Power Distribution – Motec PDM 30 solid state power box
Centre Console – Motec CAN Keypad
External Shift Light – Motec SLM gear dependant

Transmission
Clutch – ZF Sachs Racing 2 disc sintered clutch
Gearbox – 6-Speed racing sequential paddle shift gearbox with electromagnetic gear shift actuator
Paddle Shift Control – Integrated into Motec M142 ECU, downshift throttle blip
Differential – Multi-disc limited slip differential

Suspension
Wheels – OZ Racing STARD 18×10″
Front suspension – MBS- optimized McPherson suspension
Rear suspension – MBS- optimized Multi-link suspension

Steering / Brake
Steering – Electrohydraulic pump and hydraulic steering rack
Brake System – Position adjustable Tilton pedal box with balancer bar

Dimensions
Length – 4,651mm
Width – 1,950mm
Height – 1,430mm
Wheelbase – 2,672mm
Dry weight – 1,155kg
Fuel Tank – ARL FT3 100 – FIA safety fuel tank

Pricing
Cup version – 98,945 EUR
Top spec (TCR) version – 122,000 EUR
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http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/10/29/peugeot-open-order-books-for-the-308-racing-cup/
 
05XR8
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/10/29/stard-unveil-their-kia-ceed-tcr-challenger-at-mettet/
Vehicle
Vehicle Type – FWD Touring Car according to TCR regulation
Safety cell – 25CrMo4 FIA homologated safety cell
Body – Reinforced and enlightened steel bodyshell with carbon fibre aerodynamic bodykit
Glazing – Windscreen & reargate screen from polycarbonate
Vehicle Minimum Weight – Minimum Weight 1155 kg (empty) / 1285 kg (race ready incl. Driver)

Performance
0-100km/h – 4.4 seconds
Top speed – 251km/h

Engine
Type – Kia Theta II 4-cylinder engine, four valves per cylinder, direct injection
Position – Transversely Mounted Front
Supercharging – Turbocharger with driver adjustable anti lag system
Displacement – 1999 cm3 (Bore x Stroke : 81mm x 97 mm)
Exhaust System – Twin line stainless steel with 2x HJS WTCC “PE”catalysers
Lubrication – Wet Sump with Baffle Kit
EMS – Motec M142
Power – 350 hp @6400 rpm
Torque – 440 Nm @1970-4720 rpm

Electric / Electronics
Wiring Loom – Motorsport wiring loom with military spec connectors
Driver Display / Data Logger – Motec C127 Dashboard
Power Distribution – Motec PDM 30 solid state power box
Centre Console – Motec CAN Keypad
External Shift Light – Motec SLM gear dependant

Transmission
Clutch – ZF Sachs Racing 2 disc sintered clutch
Gearbox – 6-Speed racing sequential paddle shift gearbox with electromagnetic gear shift actuator
Paddle Shift Control – Integrated into Motec M142 ECU, downshift throttle blip
Differential – Multi-disc limited slip differential

Suspension
Wheels – OZ Racing STARD 18×10″
Front suspension – MBS- optimized McPherson suspension
Rear suspension – MBS- optimized Multi-link suspension

Steering / Brake
Steering – Electrohydraulic pump and hydraulic steering rack
Brake System – Position adjustable Tilton pedal box with balancer bar

Dimensions
Length – 4,651mm
Width – 1,950mm
Height – 1,430mm
Wheelbase – 2,672mm
Dry weight – 1,155kg
Fuel Tank – ARL FT3 100 – FIA safety fuel tank

Pricing
Cup version – 98,945 EUR
Top spec (TCR) version – 122,000 EUR
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http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/10/29/peugeot-open-order-books-for-the-308-racing-cup/
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I hate the KIA Cee'd itself but this doesn't look that bad.
 
So, I see TCR going around a lot - is it good for balance so far? They're discussing it showing up in the U.S. in 2018 or so. Is this something worth looking forward to? I'm not hugely fond of the WTCC races I've seen in the past (well the layout of the races/formats). I take it this is a good thing? The prices seem a little steep (bordering on GT4 territory in some places).
 
This is alot different to WTCC the cars are much closer.

Think of it as like a Touring Car version of GT3.
 
mustafur
This is alot different to WTCC the cars are much closer.

Think of it as like a Touring Car version of GT3.
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That's how most people sum it up and it's not wrong by any stretch.
 
mustafur
This is alot different to WTCC the cars are much closer.

Think of it as like a Touring Car version of GT3.
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That was actually mentioned in the International Series Sepang broadcast, the commentator said it's pretty much exactly GT3 but for touring cars and a few other rules on top. I'm just disappointed the races are so short. 10 laps of Sepang, while over 2 minutes a lap for TCR, just isn't near enough time for a proper race to happen.

TheElbows
So, I see TCR going around a lot - is it good for balance so far? They're discussing it showing up in the U.S. in 2018 or so. Is this something worth looking forward to? I'm not hugely fond of the WTCC races I've seen in the past (well the layout of the races/formats). I take it this is a good thing? The prices seem a little steep (bordering on GT4 territory in some places).
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The cars are balanced quite well, VW group kind of got the jump on most other manufacturers so they have the majority of the cars on track. (Lots of Seats and Golfs) The drivers seem to be the reason why some cars are slower than others right now. The stewarding is way more sensible and while they miss one incident every race it seems, all the others they see are given fair decisions. I haven't seen any truly wacky decisions yet like FIA series tend to make, but I haven't watched all the races yet either, which can be found on the TCR TV youtube channel along with all on track sessions I believe.
 
More Touring Car series need to have Endurance races, it works so well in Supercars.
 
I'm a huge fan of the Continental Sports Car Challenge series where they do a race which is two hours and thirty minutes in length. It is something that turns me off tremendously from lower tier motorsports; short sprint races. Even when they do two or three races a weekend it's tough to get invested in a 20 minute race.

I suppose re-fueling/tire changes are not par the course for most touring series?
 
Well it is in Australia, even when Group A and Super Touring was here we had Endurance races for them.
 
If it's like GT3, then there should be at least one CP.
 
TheElbows
So, I see TCR going around a lot - is it good for balance so far? They're discussing it showing up in the U.S. in 2018 or so. Is this something worth looking forward to? I'm not hugely fond of the WTCC races I've seen in the past (well the layout of the races/formats). I take it this is a good thing? The prices seem a little steep (bordering on GT4 territory in some places).
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For me personally, I've become a huge fan of the TCR platform. Touring car racing has needed something like this to happen for a little while, now. I've followed the WTCC for a few seasons, and it has gotten quite stale recently. The racing in TCR, on the other hand, has been really good this season. From what I understand, on the whole, they're less expensive to buy than a GT4 car is. That could be why we're seeing a lot of new regional series pop up. Yes, the races in the are kind of short, but these cars have serious endurance potential. They've already popped up in some of the Creventic 12/24 hour endurance races and the Nurburgring 24h.
The only downside for me is that we're a little short on brands at the moment. TCR International is basically the Seat Leon Cup with about 3 Hondas and most of an Alfa Romeo tossed in. But we're seeing new cars for next year, so I think it's a category that will grow for a few years, at least.
 
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TCR International is basically the Seat Leon Cup with about 3 Hondas and most of an Alfa Romeo tossed in. But we're seeing new cars for next year, so I think it's a category that will grow for a few years, at least.
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In the first season, that was definitely the case. However, this season, the Golfs have really increased and the brand split will increase in years to come.
 
jake2013guy
In the first season, that was definitely the case. However, this season, the Golfs have really increased and the brand split will increase in years to come.
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I watched a some early WTCC races this season and they weren't, in my opinion, that flash. The Motegi race wasn't that exiting either.

What I did like, is that they're trying. Audi, Kia, hopefully some more marques come on in. The endurance races are making it a global series. It'll be good a team can actually run what they bring, anywhere.
 
05XR8
I watched a some early WTCC races this season and they weren't, in my opinion, that flash. The Motegi race wasn't that exiting either.

What I did like, is that they're trying. Audi, Kia, hopefully some more marques come on in. The endurance races are making it a global series. It'll be good a team can actually run what they bring, anywhere.
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I gave up on WTCC this year. I just found it too dull and you only see those cars in that series yet with TCR, you can see the International series and those cars in various other ones and the racing is exciting. The cars are close and the grids will improve year on year unlike the WTCC.
 
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