Traps for most cars in 1/4
- Thread starter SKIDMARK885
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- 752
- Brisbane
- jezboosted
You might call it singling someone out, but that is only the case if multiple people make the same claim and I target one person specifically. Here we have one person making the claim. How is that singling someone one out ?
I take it your Spec V doesn't do 170/171 Master_Shake ?
Don't misunderstand me, I will be happy to be proven wrong but its going to take more than a screenshot to convince me.
- 1,835
- New york
- IvIaster__Shake_
I don't have a Spec V, just a Black Edition, otherwise I would've tried tuning mine to match his. I can understand your skepticism on something running faster than you think it can, but I've seen cars do strange things on this game since I started tuning. 4WD cars that wheelie, RWD cars that bunny hop the back wheels, cars that wheelie so hard they flip over and respawn you on the track. Each update changes certain things so, even if trap number is higher on his car than yours, it doesn't mean his is really faster - just that he has different ratios. I'll buy the car tonight and set a tune on it to see for myself, against my hatred of GTRs.
- 752
- Brisbane
- jezboosted
Thanks Master_Shake, I do understand a higher trap doesn't mean a faster car. This is very much shown in FF's and muscle cars where depending on how much weight has been added - two cars can cross the line at the same time but with differing speeds.
I appreciate you taking the time to help get to the bottom of this. A lot of us were testing the SpecV last night and still could not achieve the speeds mentioned.
- 458
- QLD
So is anyone hitting 170/171 mph? I personally couldn't be bothered spending too much time tuning a skyline as we rarely use skylines in Australian lobbys, but surely there's a few people testing there's since this thread took off? Nobody else has come forward claiming 170/171 yet.
I'm looking forward to hearing any results
I'm looking forward to hearing any results
- 1,835
- New york
- IvIaster__Shake_
So I tuned it earlier tonight, and could only manage a 169. I hit 170 right after the shadow, but not under it. If I can find a better way to set up the ratios its plausible, just haven't figured it out yet. Has anyone compared 1st gear rideout to quickshift? I would imagine a slightly less grippy launch would yield a higher top speed from more time spent accelerating.
- 196
- United States
- Spinhazard
R8 Gordini traps 122
- 34
- Australia
- MONSTER-BRU
Zr1 traps 172 now, what's the trap for a vr4, just started tuning and I got 123, I need more or less?
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- New york
- IvIaster__Shake_
Subaru 360 traps a blistering 85 mph. It may infact be the slowest fully tuned car on the game.
- 590
- AZ
- jspectoaster
I think the z act might be worse
- 752
- Brisbane
- jezboosted
Decided to look more into Shells picture posted and I believe this confusion has all come about from where people are measuring speeds from. Numbers do climb pretty quick at the top like mikey mentioned.
- 1,835
- New york
- IvIaster__Shake_
Considering you start infront of the yellow line instead of behind it, you actually need the nose on the back of the shadow to get the true speed. Each car would be 2 MPH slower than it is if measured like that. Even though competitions are compared right at the beginning of the shadow, trap speed "at the shadow" would refer to the car being under it.
- 752
- Brisbane
- jezboosted
That doesn't make sense. Why have two points of reference depending on being competition or not ?
Anyway, mystery solved. We are measuring at different spots.
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- New york
- IvIaster__Shake_
It makes complete sense. Under the shadow would be a lot harder for judges to see who was ahead, but right at the beginning you can visually measure distance from shadow to nose on both cars. However, during regular races, most people wont even brake until completely out from under the shadow. The measurement on Indy is from the yellow hashed lines to the first line of shadow, but we start ahead of them because we spin if we're on yellow. In order to complete the race, we have to be a car length after the "should be here" line on your picture. It's confusing to explain what happens in milliseconds online, but you'll realize what I'm trying to explain when you race someone.
- 196
- United States
- Spinhazard
No one is going to contest my Renault Gordini trap?
- 752
- Brisbane
- jezboosted
So even shells is measuring it wrong as he is a half car length behind ?
I haven't tuned that car yet sorry.
- 752
- Brisbane
- jezboosted
double post
- 1,835
- New york
- IvIaster__Shake_
I figured you wouldn't quite get it, so I made this in paint because I'm entirely too bored. The scale isn't accurate.
- 752
- Brisbane
- jezboosted
Of course I am not going to get it when you describe it wrong am I ? You said a "car length after the should be here line".
Can you also add the start and finish for a competition just to show how ridiculous this is
- 1,835
- New york
- IvIaster__Shake_
A competition basically subtracts the cars' length from track length, since you start infront of yellow instead of behind it. Or to simplify it, the width of the shadow on the track. Maybe I'm overthinking this all, but everyone that I know or run compares trap speed when car is under the shadow. You can see when people hit their brakes, obviously.
- 196
- United States
- Spinhazard
I was being facetious.
This thread is practically pointless because different tunes run different traps and frankly if you are unsure if your tune is trapping high enough you're probably not a good tuner.
And you are all good tuners, so it seems the ONLY thing this thread could accomplish is start an argument like the one above.
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- NY
- tb08ss
At the track(real life environment) trap mph varies even in heads up even tree categories, the set of wheels that cross the beams first without a breakout as in bracket racing, wins. The amount of tirespin this game allows is to ridiculous to hash on mph. In real life "ff" cars trap big mph but suck on the sixty foot. Too many variables again. We do the best we can...we use first across the line and not numbers to base the victory. Just my 2¢ on the matter....thanks
- 214
- Australia
In Aussie lobbys we trap our speeds judging by first line shadow
- 752
- Brisbane
- jezboosted
I'd like to think this thread has created clarity as to the differences in where people measure their speeds at.
- 196
- United States
- Spinhazard
Maybe so but it would make sense seeing as though there are so many people, figures some do it different.
But that doesn't mean much. To me, I couldn't give less of a crap what someone's car traps. Tbh, I've noticed nearly ALL my cars trap lower than what's considered normal. I don't tune them that way, it just happens. And I'm not getting pulled all that much.
It's just another area for arguing.
Shells N Cheese
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- Shells_En_Cheese
In all fairness I did hit 171 with my car a bit past the shadow it still hit 170 right when my bumper touched that shadow, it's hard to get the picture right when I hit the shadow because I have like a millisecond to pause the video. Like Shake said just because cars trap higher doesn't mean they are faster. As for the not taking a video issue the reason I can't is simple, I don't have a video camera the only camera I have is a Sony Cybershot and that only takes still images, I have no phone either so this is the best I can do, accept it or don't but I know what my car traps.
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- New york
- IvIaster__Shake_
If you guys think trap should be taken at the first line of the shadow, then I will honestly admit all of my cars trap 1-2MPH lower than everyone else reports. That being said, they still run just as fast. I'll have to start tuning my cars to top out when the front bumper hits the shadow.
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- mikeybc
I always understood the front edge of the shadow is the finish line in a competition so that's where I gauge my traps at....when the bumper touches the shadow.
Trap speeds are basically just an indication of top end pull when comparing 2 of the same cars and doesn't always mean the one who traps higher will get there first.
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- United States
- Spinhazard
