Trying to get that coveted Spoon Civic

[Ottoman]

Yep, dunno

Now let's start talking about ATTESA; What seperates that from other awd's?

Since my car has Attesa i think i'm qualified to answer this question

Basically without goin into TOO much detail.. to keep it from getting boring...

ATESSA ETS: Advanced Total Traction Engineering
System for All Electronic-Torque Split

what it does is basically.. when the car is driving in a normal way.. 100% of the torque is goin to the Rear wheels.. so in essence the car is a RWD car.. just like a camaro or Silvia or anythign for that matter... where as AWD has Full time ALL wheel drive meaning start go or anythign all 4 wheels are being powered

now in Loss of Traction situations... detected by the computer (similar to TCS systems) as the computer detects loss of traction in the rear wheels.. rather then just killin the power.. it Transfers that power to the Front wheels instead... upto 50% of the torque


so if rev to 8,000 grand and dump the clutch rather then just standing still in a great cloud of smoke.. i got all 4 wheels putting power down...

but if i gently leave a Red light i've got only 2 wheels doin teh work

when it's RWD=better fuel economy and better top speed

when it's AWD= better traction for launches and handling is improved

there's a guage on the dash that shows u the power transfer too.. u can see pics in my sig

so it's best of both worlds with noon of the draw backs(unless something goes wrong and u hafta fix it and there's the weight of teh system of course)

sometime for kicks we pull the ATTESA fuse from teh dase.. and the car becomes RWD only... man the GTR goes sideways even in 3rd gear... funstuff 👍

 

[Anderton Prime]

And which accusations would they be then? Buddy.

Personally I find your anti-Honda attitude amazingly bigoted but I've made no accusations.



I didn't "tell" anyone anything. I pointed out why "gears" made more sense than "speeds" when referring to gearbox ratios. In a thread where someone was telling the world that "Speed 12" was a stupid name as it didn't have a "12 speed" gearbox.

You really need to be a little less touchy.

If you'll look again at your comment I was responding to, the word RACIST pops up right there at the end. So if you weren't accusing me of this, who was the comment directed towards, and what did you mean by the word RACIST? I am only "bigoted" against the ACURA INTEGRA and those who drive it irresponsibly on the road, and that's where it ends. I don't care what race the driver is, an a-hole is an a-hole is an a-hole, present company excluded of course.

 

[Famine]

Actually, I was merely saying that I'd rather mistype punctuation at 1am than be a racist.

Wouldn't you?

You seem to have changed to a hatred for the Acura Integra now, as opposed to your earlier comments about all Hondas. Is that a safer target somehow?

You never did answer whether you thought it to be not possible to drive a Buick irresponsibly. Just to remind you:

People who buy stock Hondas and drive them like they think they're race cars should be stripped of their licenses.

Remove the word "Honda" and replace it with "car" and you make sense. Or do you think it's allowed to buy a stock Buick and drive it like it's a race car?

 

[Victor Vance]

ROFL how about my friends mother who drives her Oldsmobile Achieva like a racecar?

 

[Anderton Prime]

Actually, I was merely saying that I'd rather mistype punctuation at 1am than be a racist.

Wouldn't you?

You seem to have changed to a hatred for the Acura Integra now, as opposed to your earlier comments about all Hondas. Is that a safer target somehow?

You never did answer whether you thought it to be not possible to drive a Buick irresponsibly. Just to remind you:

I don't know where you're from, but people around here who buy Buicks are 80 years old. The image that has been built up around Integras is responsible for the way they are driven. People don't buy an Integra for Sunday driving, they buy it so they can rip down the road. And in my neighbourhood I'd pay you $100 to find me an Integra without a bolt-on exhaust tip creating a rather pathetic engine note that's not fooling anyone.

I also don't see people tearing down the road in a Lincoln Town Car or a Cadillac Sedan DeVille or a Ford Crown Victoria or a Cheverolet Malibu or a Chrysler 300 (not even the new ones with the 340 hp Hemi crammed in them). Integras appeal to young males. That's who they're marketed towards, and that's who buys 'em. And young males pay the highest insurance in my country because they like to go fast and drive erratically. By the way I have no sympathy for anyone who's ever dies in a street race. Chew on that.

 

[Famine]

I don't know where you're from

My location is underneath my avatar.

but people around here who buy Buicks are 80 years old.

And of course it's impossible for an 80 year old to drive like they think they're in a race car?

Two words: Stirling Moss.

The image that has been built up around Integras is responsible for the way they are driven.

Ah - so it's the image you don't like.

In the UK, the Integra Type-R has the image of being a fine-handling (albeit FF) sports coupe, stripped out so that every ounce of weight which can be saved is, which people use as a weekend or track-day car. It's given an insurance group of 18 (out of 20), which is fairly prohibitive for younger drivers - such as yourself (and indeed myself).

I don't suppose someone who buys a stock Honda Integra Type-R and drives it like they think it's a race car on a race track is spared from your ire? Perhaps the image of driving a car built for the race track on a race track is also a licence-removing offence in your book?

People don't buy an Integra for Sunday driving, they buy it so they can rip down the road. And in my neighbourhood I'd pay you $100 to find me an Integra without a bolt-on exhaust tip creating a rather pathetic engine note that's not fooling anyone.

So then surely it's the owners - who think they can improve on a car company's years of R&D with a simple, aftermarket product - you have a problem with? Or even the whole aftermarket scene? Or is it the kids that buy normal Integras and want to pretend they're driving Integra Type-Rs?

For reference, the Honda Integra Type-R produces 197hp and will hit 62mph in about 6.3s from rest. That doesn't really have to fool anyone.

Integras appeal to young males. That's who they're marketed towards, and that's who buys 'em. And young males pay the highest insurance in my country because they like to go fast and drive erratically.

But that only becomes unacceptable if they're in a Honda?

By the way I have no sympathy for anyone who's ever dies in a street race.

Glad to hear it - unless of course you're also referring to non-participants who get caught up in it all. And was that an errant apostrophe? To think it's only early evening over there.


But you've yet to answer the question put to you. Allow me to refresh your memory, again.

People who buy stock Hondas and drive them like they think they're race cars should be stripped of their licenses.

Remove the word "Honda" and replace it with "car" and you make sense. Or do you think it's allowed to buy a stock Buick and drive it like it's a race car?

 

[Limit Four-Five]

Ok to put this a little back on topic. I used the Integra fully tuned and wiped the floor with the opposition on this championchip. The integra is a great car in the game and in real life as long as you know how to handle it. Some people cant but act like they can and thats where the accidents happen at. But i gotta agree with Famine the integra really is a great car.

 

[Anderton Prime]

Well, I mistyped "dies" instead of "died" which I meant to say, which would have made the sentence look like this:

I have no sympathy for anyone who's ever died in a street race.

"Who's" in this case is a proper English contraction of two words, WHO and HAS, and makes perfect sense.

I thought it was quite clear that I have never met an Integra driver I liked. Ever. And If I ever see someone driving a Buick like a race car, I'll be pissed off at them too, but since it's so rare I would not be as quick to condemn the entire Buick lineup.

Over HERE, Integras are bought used by any 18-24 male who can afford it, and the next trip is usually to a store we have called Canadian Tire, where numerous low-quality after-market products are purchased. It's not a generalization, it's a fact. And a simple one to observe whenever I get in my car.

I am a professional driver (not racing but transport) and in both my job and day-to-day experience, I have yet to be cut off by a Buick.

80-year olds are not typically race-car drivers, but I am beginning to suspect that no matter how much evidence I tack onto my argument, you will find the one non-typical example and use it against me.

You're damn right I hate the Integra persona. Too bad it's an INTEGRA persona, and thus is due in large part to the INTEGRA that the person is driving. We don't have very many Type-Rs over here, at least not that I have seen, so perhaps my experience with this car is quite different from your own.

And as for those non-participating people who are killed during a street race, they wouldn't really considered to be "IN a street race" now would they? Unless you're referring to spectators, who deserve any injuries they receive for encouraging this so-called "sport." But alas, an innocent motorist who is victimized by street-racing deserves the utmost sympathy, and should be entitled to full monetary compensation. Street-racing is illegal, and anyone caught doing it ought to be stripped of their license FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE.

In conclusion, to answer your original question, no it is not okay to drive a stock Buick like a race car, but no one does it anyway, so we don't have to worry about that. Like if a tree falls in the forest but no one's around to hear it...

 

[Uncle Harry]

Its not the car, it's the driver.
Blame the drivers.
The type R Integra is one of the best handling FWD cars.
Don't blame the car just because it is being badly driven by a small section of the young male drivers in your area.
It's like me saying all 1976 Corolla's suck just because I see this one young male driver in one ignore every road rule.
Speeding, overtaking over double lines, going through red traffic lights, turning left from right turn only lanes. Thats enough infrigments to loose your license.
I have seen him twice, first time he committed 3 offences, 2nd time 2 offences.
Its not the car it is the driver.

 

[Limit Four-Five]

Exactley what Uncle Harry said. If there was a young hoon kind of guy driving a buick then you wouldn't think to highly of them but if htere was an 80 year old in an Integra then they would probably do the road rules. The reason that buicks dont cut you off is because last time i checked they are a luxury car and therefore require a lot of money to be bought. Young people dont have huge wqads of cash to play with so they buy integras or corollas or what have you because they are cheap. It all comes down to one thing thats already been mentioned. Its the drivers fault not the cars fault.

 

[Anderton Prime]

Its not the car, it's the driver.
Blame the drivers.
The type R Integra is one of the best handling FWD cars.
Don't blame the car just because it is being badly driven by a small section of the young male drivers in your area.
It's like me saying all 1976 Corolla's suck just because I see this one young male driver in one ignore every road rule.
Speeding, overtaking over double lines, going through red traffic lights, turning left from right turn only lanes. Thats enough infrigments to loose your license.
I have seen him twice, first time he committed 3 offences, 2nd time 2 offences.
Its not the car it is the driver.

You're right but what if every time you saw a Corolla driver they were driving irresponsibly? Or even if you saw this 50% of the time, I think it would be enough for most people to start condemning all Corollas, or at least to feel some anger welling up whenever they see one. Classical conditioning's a b****, but we can't escape it. Unfortunately for me, some drivers have given the Integra a bad name in my opinion.

 

[Victor Vance]

Its not the car, it's the driver.
Blame the drivers.
The type R Integra is one of the best handling FWD cars.
Don't blame the car just because it is being badly driven by a small section of the young male drivers in your area.
It's like me saying all 1976 Corolla's suck just because I see this one young male driver in one ignore every road rule.
Speeding, overtaking over double lines, going through red traffic lights, turning left from right turn only lanes. Thats enough infrigments to loose your license.
I have seen him twice, first time he committed 3 offences, 2nd time 2 offences.
Its not the car it is the driver.

I think on your '1976' the third digit is off

 

[Uncle Harry]

I think on your '1976' the third digit is off

No, 1976 is the correct year. These things do not die. The example in question might not survive considering how badly it is driven.

 

[Ottoman]

No, 1976 is the correct year. These things do not die. The example in question might not survive considering how badly it is driven.

he meant it should be 1986.. i.e 1986 toyota corolla GTS AKA TRUENO!! 👍

 

[Famine]

It's not a generalization, it's a fact.

It's neither of those things - it's an opinion.

80-year olds are not typically race-car drivers, but I am beginning to suspect that no matter how much evidence I tack onto my argument, you will find the one non-typical example and use it against me.

I'm still waiting for any evidence at all. All I'm seeing is conjecture and opinion.

You are of course entitled to your opinion - as you've said many times - and this I wouldn't disagree with. However, you've gone from "all Hondas" to the "Acura Integra Type-R" to "INTEGRA". And yet still, as Uncle Harry has pointed out, you want to blame the car for the driver and not the other way around.

A bad driver will be a bad driver no matter what car he (or she) is driving. Today's evil-Integra driver will, assuming they survive, go on to other cars later on. Would you blame these cars for their continued bad driving, or the Integra still? If someone cuts you up/off in a Chevrolet Blazer, would you be thinking "I bet they used to drive an Integra."?

In conclusion, to answer your original question, no it is not okay to drive a stock Buick like a race car, but no one does it anyway, so we don't have to worry about that. Like if a tree falls in the forest but no one's around to hear it...

Sure? Can you say, hand-on-heart with 100% certainty that no-one has ever driven a Buick in the manner you described earlier? Seeing as you think no-one does it, what about Mitsubishi, Lotus, GM, Ford, Volkswagen or Ferrari drivers?

So you do agree now that by replacing "Honda" with "car" - as I suggested - makes your original statement more accurate? Or are you still on the anti-Honda bile attack you were on earlier?

 

[Anderton Prime]

You've obviously decided not to listen to me, because I have stated that due to the age group towards which Integras are marketed - and who for the most part buy them - they are frequently driven poorly. I see no older adults driving Integras. Older drivers are better drivers, at least on the roads and highways where I live. Young drivers are poor, especially males, and these people buy Integras. Therefore, the Integra is custom-tailored to fit the persona of its intended drivers. The Civic hatchback is another example of this, as is the Cavalier z24, the Sunfire GT, and the Hyundai Tiberon. People who buy these cars do so for the image and because they are faster than the regular entry-level models, and drivers who exceed the speed limit are poor.

Integra drivers are aggressive and dangerous, and that ain't never gonna change. Neither is my opinion of them. No matter how much you try to sway me from hating both the Integra and the person behind the wheel of one, I will always have to make sure I take extra care to compensate for the moron Integra driver's actions.

 

[Famine]

No doubt that's a "fact" too.

I wouldn't try to sway you away from your opinion. You've done enough of that yourself.

However, it's still amazingly laughable that you wholeheartedly believe that ALL Integras are purchased by people who instantly become crap drivers when they've bought one.

Incidentally, you and I are both young drivers.

 

[Victor Vance]

It's true, my next door neighbor, when she bought her 2003 'Integra', she was already a crappy teenage driver

 

[Gil]

I'd pay you $100 to find me an Integra without a bolt-on exhaust tip creating a rather pathetic engine note that's not fooling anyone.

There's a rather nice 1995 Integra that looks to be bone-stock down the street from me. It is not sporting a Fart Can. Can I have my $100

I also don't see people tearing down the road in a Lincoln Town Car or a Cadillac Sedan DeVille or a Ford Crown Victoria or a Cheverolet Malibu or a Chrysler 300 (not even the new ones with the 340 hp Hemi crammed in them). Integras appeal to young males. That's who they're marketed towards, and that's who buys 'em. And young males pay the highest insurance in my country because they like to go fast and drive erratically. By the way I have no sympathy for anyone who's ever dies in a street race. Chew on that.

There's an old song called "Hot Rod Lincoln" Originally by Commander Cody, and remade by Asleep at the Wheel.
By the title you will observe that the Car is a "hot-rod" Lincoln. Actually a Lincoln motor in a Model A. If you listen to the song you will note the kid in the Lincoln gets in a race on "Grapevine Hill" with a Cadillac.

While you are more likely to be cut off by an Integra, or Civic, or Cavalier, or small Nissan, etc... They are not the only ones who do it.
I was very nearly pulverized by a soccer mom in an Toyota Landcruiser the other night, whilst calmly making my way home in my Chevy Metro. If she hadn't been mildly hot, I might have had some "road rage" on her. I have also been summarily ignored by "blue-hairs" in Oldsmobiles, Caprice Classics, and The Occasional Mercury Sedan (which for all intents and purposes is a Crown Vic).
I will concede that I have not recently been punted by a Crown Vic. But around here, everyone avoids Crown Vics because they are likely being piloted by the "blue haired contingent" or the State Troopers. Don't want to be crushed or ticketed.

What I'm saying is that both of you are right. Famine is more right because he can bring himself to admit that there are all manner of idiots out there in all manner of cars.

Now the Integra may be marketed to young males. But the only four people I know that own Acuras (A CL 2.0, A Sedan, and 2 RSX's, the replacement for the Integra), are all beautiful women. And I can't even generalize by Hair-color or age. 3-blondes, and a Redhead, ranging in age from 23 to about 50.
(damn red head, messing up my generalities).

 

[Victor Vance]

Hehe, a neighbor a block away owns a white 2004 Crown Vic with Police Interceptor grille, an '03 Marauder engine transplant, side plastics painted flat black, those cop spotlights by the mirrors, two brake lights in the grille (to look like there's cop flashers in the grille), police strobes (wired to the front brake lights), cop wheels and a low-pro rear-facing strobe strip behind the 3rd brake light. If I didn't know better, I'd call it a cop car

 

[dreadfist]

Hmm, I'm not sure why people are arguing about loss of traction in FWD cars in this thread. Cars like the ITR aren't designed for straight line speed and acceleration, they're designed to handle. The ITR is the perfect canyon carver, it truely is a car that is designed to be driven by people who enjoy driving.

And what's with that guy going on about how people who drive honda's are always tailgating and flying around town with a fart can? Sure, there's plenty of people that live up to that stereotype, but I know plenty of people who modify their cars in the true sense... That is, anything they do to it is to increase the vehicles performance. Not every import enthusiast drives around with a huge cannonball fart can, as yes, there are some exhausts (yes, full exhausts, not just mufflers) that can greatly enhance the sound of a FWD japanese car.

People need to stop judging cars by theiir straight line performance. A car's straight line performance has very little to do with the quality of the entire car. Saying honda's suck because they understeer from the factory, and because they run 16's in the quarter is pointless. A few simple suspension mods and some nice engine work will have you at 14's, with very little severe understeer problems.

My 2 cents

 

[HYBRIDLVR]

Professional League FF Drive Challenge is where I won mines, I Think it's a Great lil car with a very High Tach and Engine sound.

 

[Anderton Prime]

Well, I decided that, after such a lengthy debate, I would change my original opinion of Integra drivers slightly. Because in truth I have seen a few females driving Integras and other Hondas, and because I have seen the odd well-modified Honda on the road, I guess you could say that not ALL Honda drivers are morons. Not even all Integra drivers are morons. But a lot are. More than most other types of cars, but those other types do have their own special breeds of morons. With a quick scan of my mind, many Pontiac Grand Prix GTP drivers, Subaru Impreza drivers, Mitsubishi Eclipse and Evo drivers have all done their part to piss me off on the road and detract from the safety of our highways. That said, ANY car with a so-called "fart-can" on it, I pray that it does something really awful to you, like rusts and destroys your whole exhaust system slowly but surely, costing hundreds of dollars in repairs. Yes, that would be a start...

 

[Famine]

Praise the Lord!

Welcome to our newest brother, Anderton...!

 

[xcsti]

In my area we don't have much of a fart can problem but more of the blue hair one. I don't think I've ever seen a well done honda in person, only a bunch of the sterio typical ones with bad unpainted body kits and fart cans. I have however seen a slight rise in coverage of rwd conversion kits on the automotive shows I watch. I think honda owners (and any other FWD owner) will start making their cars more respectable(only the ones that are bad) if and when drifting becomes big.

 

[Victor Vance]

It's definately when, not if

 

[imfaster]

Okay, here we go. I am saying that the Integra Type R is one of the worst cars IN GRAN TURISMO 3 A-APEC, and those who defend it in real life can do so, I have never driven one and never will. I hate the persona that goes with that car, as well as the manner in which nearly 100% of the people who own them (100% MALES, incidentally) drive them. If I have to deal with one more lame-o tailgating me on the highway and then weaving in and out of lanes without using his turn signal (obviously not having read the disclaimer at the beginning of GT3), all the while letting me have the pleasure of listening to his garbage music thumping away with the bass turned way up so it rattles my windshield and rearview mirror, and mixing this audial melody with an overpowering hint of cheap muffler tip exhaust note, I might snap right there in my car and go crazy on him, a la Michael Douglas in Falling Down . People who buy stock Hondas and drive them like they think they're race cars should be stripped of their licenses. A brand new set of rims on a canary yellow Integra does not a race car make. Cut. Print. That's a wrap.

Everyone who loves this car in reality needs to relax just a little and acknowledge that it, along with all other FF cars, suck rocks big time in GT3, and will never be as fun to drive or offer the same excitement as the other cars. For all those who savvy themselves FF experts, congratulations and my hat's off and all that jazz. I hate FF cars, I hate the FF Challenge, and I HATE THE INTEGRA TYPE R.

By the way I finally beat the Professional Challenge with the Xsara and a little more fiddling around with the tuning. Thanks to everyone who helped out and offered some advice instead of getting all defensive about a piece of Honda trash of which there are about 2 million too many examples on our North American streets today.

Please man, get a grip. I will race you on any track you want, you pick any fwd car vs my turbo itr that handles so bad, no traction control, no asm, and you will lose
For tips, keep rear stabilizer at 6 or 7 and front at 3 or 4, keep front suspension stiffer then rear and for some reason this site uses crap for brake settings. I go with front 24 rear 20. It allows for later braking and if you just get use to it I think it's much better. 3 camber in ront 2.5 in rear. -.5 toe in rear also. Just don't floor it around corner like everyone said. If you need to turn and you don't want to slow down alot, try shifting, the car will rotate inwards just a tad in between shifts, good for long high speed corners. I've very close to 1:11 on midfield with my setup, I just joined this site so I don't know if that's even a good time, but hopefully with more competition I'll have more urge to go faster.

 

[Victor Vance]

There's a rather nice 1995 Integra that looks to be bone-stock down the street from me. It is not sporting a Fart Can. Can I have my $100



There's an old song called "Hot Rod Lincoln" Originally by Commander Cody, and remade by Asleep at the Wheel.
By the title you will observe that the Car is a "hot-rod" Lincoln. Actually a Lincoln motor in a Model A. If you listen to the song you will note the kid in the Lincoln gets in a race on "Grapevine Hill" with a Cadillac.

While you are more likely to be cut off by an Integra, or Civic, or Cavalier, or small Nissan, etc... They are not the only ones who do it.
I was very nearly pulverized by a soccer mom in an Toyota Landcruiser the other night, whilst calmly making my way home in my Chevy Metro. If she hadn't been mildly hot, I might have had some "road rage" on her. I have also been summarily ignored by "blue-hairs" in Oldsmobiles, Caprice Classics, and The Occasional Mercury Sedan (which for all intents and purposes is a Crown Vic).
I will concede that I have not recently been punted by a Crown Vic. But around here, everyone avoids Crown Vics because they are likely being piloted by the "blue haired contingent" or the State Troopers. Don't want to be crushed or ticketed.

What I'm saying is that both of you are right. Famine is more right because he can bring himself to admit that there are all manner of idiots out there in all manner of cars.

Now the Integra may be marketed to young males. But the only four people I know that own Acuras (A CL 2.0, A Sedan, and 2 RSX's, the replacement for the Integra), are all beautiful women. And I can't even generalize by Hair-color or age. 3-blondes, and a Redhead, ranging in age from 23 to about 50.
(damn red head, messing up my generalities).

That reminds me, yesterday night while driving home from McDonald's in Helmetta, some broad with a cell phone broke her wheel on a Lanmd Cruiser by attempting to just ride over a curb at 30 mph

 

[JDMGoSpeedRacer]

If you hate Honda and FF cars so bad then why did you even waste your time racing the FF challenge to get the Spoon Civic?? LOL you think Integra owners are all male? and you think only integra owners tailgate, weaving in and out of lanes without turnsignals, and bump loud music? Your one ignorant person! Just because you couldnt handle the Integra Type-R in the game, you come here and create a thread and tell people how bad it is. You were probly driving the FF ITR like a FR. The Integra Type-R handles nicely in real life and in GT3. Everyone here just said that the integra type-r is a good car in real life and in the game, then you post up horrible comments about the Type-R, it looks like you spaked the flames man. and we're just keeping it lit. IF YOU CANT HANDLE FF CARS THEN DONT DRIVE THEM OR TRY TO LEARN. WHEN YOU SAY A CAR IS HORRIBLE JUST TELL YOUR SELF "ITS NOT THE CAR THAT IS BAD ITS THE DRIVER!!"

 

[Famine]

This has been settled some time ago - and all these points covered. Don't drag a month-dead thread up just to have a go at someone, please.