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^not true. when highly tuned, a 2jzgte makes shi tloads of usable torque, thanks to its long-ish stroke. what do u mean by most applicable... torque makes an engine more usable...? tuned versions create the same power and more torque than an equivalent rb26. the 2jz truly is the greatest japanese 6.
 
ok explain to me how come in races no one ever uses the 2jz-GTE avidly?....The only places its used commonly is on the dynometer and on the 1320
 
thats not justified at all. what the hell are u talking about? offer a practical reason why u dont think the 2jz is great and ill respect your opinion...

oh, and name a japanese inline 6 thats better, and why.
 
Alot of motorsport's in Japan, don't use the 2jz because of it's weight. Everyone talk's about the JGTC, the JGTC isn't the only race series in Japan.

Also, every MK4 I've seen in circuit battle in America, has stuck with the 2jz.
 
Monster 7 90% of the circut racing supra's in japan either STILL use the 3sgte or have changed to that V8 (forgot the engine code).......As for here, i've yet to hear of a 2jz GTE powered supra winning any sort of circut, unless it was unbalanced as hell.
 
The JGTC Supra's do yes.

And the reason you have not heard about a Supra with a stock powerplant winning a circuit/GT race in America, is because you don't watch them race, and they get raped with restrictions.

Also, most people running MK4 Supra's, are privateer team's, that lack the fund's to be much of a threat to the sponsored, professionaly driven, Audi's, Bmw's, Mustangs, C5's, and Porsche's.

I never said they win, I said they stick with the 2jz. :D
 
ok......So why would it be the best...if it doesn't win anything????

And privateer teams SHOULD be able to afford putting a 3sgte into their supra.......or a RB26DETT...or heck even a UZZ31 which would help them emensely.....
 
i think engine swaps in racing (serious racing) is WRONG
if the car came with a 2J-GTE it should race with a 2J-GTE
 
ok well than the Autobacs MRS that wins pretty often..isnt a valid racer either..because that has a Celica engine installed in it.......And none of the JGTC supra's....which have been kickin azz.....have validly won..
 
Originally posted by Driftster
ok......So why would it be the best...if it doesn't win anything????

And privateer teams SHOULD be able to afford putting a 3sgte into their supra.......or a RB26DETT...or heck even a UZZ31 which would help them emensely.....
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A privateer team in F1 racing could afford it, but this isn't F1. Why is it the 2jz is the best Japanese engine? The number's speak for themselves. Most Japanese engines lack either torque or reliability. The 2jz suffer's from neither one. Ohnestly, I don't think there isn't a racing series in Japan where the 2jz is allowed, that it hasn't won.

And in America, the class the Supra races in, there is no engine swap's allowed.

Speaking of engine swap's. If they were not allowed for GTS car's, the dominant C5-R's of the last couple year's, would be w/out their 427's.

If other manufacturer's didn't have such a weight advantage, I'd say the Supra should race with it's 2jz in the JGTC.
 
Ok first of all....JGTC allows for ANY engine to be swapped into the car...aslong as it's from the SAME maneufacturer........So explain to me....Why did they pick the V8 as apposed to the i6????

Nissan users didn't pick their 2UZ-FE for their skylines or 350z's

Mitsubishi users didnt pick the 6G72

The fact is....they use the best potential engine for the car......that's why they didn't use the 2jz-gte...The 3sgte makes it's HP sooner and it's torque sooner...not to mention it's transmission is about 1/2 the weight..
 
The fact is....they use the best potential engine for the car......that's why they didn't use the 2jz-gte...The 3sgte makes it's HP sooner and it's torque sooner...not to mention it's transmission is about 1/2 the weight..
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None of what you said is fact. The 3s doesn't make it's power or it's torque faster then the 2jz. Depending on turbo selection, you can change the characteristic's of almost any engine. It's a baseless statement. Also, I'd like to see an sw20's transmission in an mk4's chassis. I guess your not too familiar with the MR2.

C'mon dog, if your gonna do battle, know your shi*.
 
Ok first of all..who said ANYTHING about the SW20....
if YOU know what you were talking about you'd realize I wasn't talking about a damn MR2.

second there are a few reasons why they run the 3S , and some are , a) They can make the hp goal with the 3S , b) The 3S is lighter than the 2JZ , c) they can sit the 3S all the way to the firewall and safeguard the radiator and intercooler , d) the lower torque of the 3S makes it far more driveable , e) they can run more boost , if running less displacement, f) the higher revs call for more efficient use of power in the corners

lastly, the Castrol supra is one of the very few supra's that race with the HEWL seq which is still about 15kg less than the standard 6 seed getrag

As for the other paragaphs I typed about.....why did you completly disregard them?
 
Your right, you didn't mention the MR2 anywhere. The thing is, the ONLY two car's that has ever been built with the 3sgte engine, are the MR2 and Corolla/Celica, and the latter is 4wd. Good luck putting either's transmission into a Supra. I gave you the benefit of the doubt with the MR2.

As for the other paragaphs I typed about.....why did you completly disregard them?
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Because their shi*.
 
They're ****?
They're **** because they make perfect sense and put the idea that the 2jzgte is the best i6 Japanese engine to hell.....Hell if the engine was so good why not use it?
If the engine is so good explain how come a car with a 59/41 weight dist is a HELL of alot faster than one with the 53/47....is it the AWD system? that's probably some of it...........is it the engine......that's probably alot of it....because it sure as hell isn't the aerodynamics.
 
Yes actually, a 95 Auto JZA80, and i've ridden in plenty of 3sgte powered Mr2's and no not all of them were USDM rated either.
 
driftster, if u wanna talk jgtc, i think u should know that the other side of the camp (nissan) dont use the fabled rb26dett (the opposition i gather ur arguing about) in thier gtrs. all teams go for the lightest most compact variant, not just toyota. we're talking japanese inline 6's mate. name a better one, and why. i think ull have trouble.
 
Originally posted by drift_prophet
driftster, if u wanna talk jgtc, i think u should know that the other side of the camp (nissan) dont use the fabled rb26dett (the opposition i gather ur arguing about) in thier gtrs. all teams go for the lightest most compact variant, not just toyota. we're talking japanese inline 6's mate. name a better one, and why. i think ull have trouble.
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Lol....You obviously havn't been watching much JGTC.......You realize that up untill the invent of the VQ35DE they HAVE been using the RB26, the reason they still don't is because that engine isn't in production anymore, so it's very costly to get massive stock of them like they would need......But you didn't think of that did you?

However.....when have JGTC Supra's used the 2jz gte? When was the last time a Supra actually used a 2jz GTE in JGTC, and what position did it start and finish in.
 
That right there...ends the argument.....proving that yeah a 2jz is stronger..i won't deny that...but the things it's good for are Dynometers and 1/4.........Which doesn't classify it as the best inline 6 from japan...when you can have a engine that not only has been in the dakar rally, it's been in road racing and has actually done great, been in drag racing and has done supurb, been in dynometer runs and layed down rediculous numbers, and has been resonsible for setting pleeeennttyy of records...That's when you get "The best inline six from japan" .
 
%85 of people could care less about the JGTC. The JGTC doesn't make or break car's. And why you would even bother bringing up the Dakar Rally boggle's me.

2jzgte = the fu**in' KING.
 
But the thing is......JGTC is the prominant racing organization most people know about that involve supra's and skylines....just show me somewhere else where the 2jz gte is used in a supra and wins.....and not on the 1/4 and not on a circle track
 
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