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Ok I'm gonna make this even more fun....... which if any and or all of these vehicles is sequentially twin turbocharged?
 
Originally posted by Tofu4G63
Ok I'm gonna make this even more fun....... which if any and or all of these vehicles is sequentially twin turbocharged?
3rd gen RX7 ?... Subaru Legacy IIRC. Maybe a Supra at one time ?...
 
350z are non turbo
and i think most Japanese twin turbos are sequential
for example, 94+ supra, FD rx7, 300zx just to name a few
 
Sequential Twin Turbo car's -
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FD RX7
MK4 Supra
GTR Skyline's*

Non Sequential Twin Turbo car's -
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Z32 300ZX
3000GT VR4/Stealth


* Questionable, I can't recall what an RB's manifold look's like. I'm almost positive they are a sequential setup, due to the lack of space in the engine bay/single manifold.
 
Well yeah now it makes sense....
TT'd V6's = Parallel
TT'd i6's = Sequential

So seq
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Fd3s
Skyline
Supra
Soarer
Chaser


parrallel
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3000GT/Stealth/GTO
300zx
Galant Vr4
 
just because a car could be iL6 TT doesnt make it sequential
 
who said anything about japanese
im talking in general, some people scrap the electronic sequential system on the JZA80's and i think the JZA70 is non sequential (im not real sure on that)
 
Originally posted by kikkoman
350z are non turbo
and i think most Japanese twin turbos are sequential
for example, 94+ supra, FD rx7, 300zx just to name a few

Asside from THIS Statement right here...and the fact that were did consecutive posts ABOUT japanese twin turbo cars.........should have given you the inclination that we were talking about Japanese vehicles...Or else we would have included some Audi's in there and some Buggatti's and their quads.
 
chill out man:cool:

BTW you guys were talking about Audis look a few posts up
 
Originally posted by VIPERGTSR01
who said anything about japanese
im talking in general, some people scrap the electronic sequential system on the JZA80's and i think the JZA70 is non sequential (im not real sure on that)

You can disable the sequential setup in most sequentially equipped car's, but the turbo's will still aesthetically be "sequential" or "in-line".
 
could someone that knows for sure the exact meaning explain ,because i think we have some wires crossed
 
because sequential doesnt mean "inline"

i know what they mean by sequential, i want to know what you guys think it means
it seems to me that you guys think that every car that has two turbos in line is sequential
 
I owned a '93 RX7 for 4 year's, I took it apart, and put it back together on a weekly basis. I know exactly what sequential mean's. - Strike 1

"some people scrap the electronic sequential system on the JZA80's" - VIPERGTSR01. There are no elecronic's in the sequential setup. - Strike 2

\Se*quen"tial\, a. Succeeding or following in order. - Strike 3
 
dont get so annoyed dude (like this STRIKE 1 crap)
you seem to eager to try and prove people wrong, i just asked for a explaination

sequential turbo charging is the way they work
one works at lower RPM and when the boost pressure gets to a point a valve opens which allows gas flow to the second turbo charger which operates better at higher RPMS

for example if you watch a modified supra (has the intake taken off so you can see the compreeor wheel) at idle one turbo will spin (abit) the other will do nothing. bring up the revs and under load (on a dyno) and you will later see the second spool up and boost

\Se*quen"tial\, a. Succeeding or following in order.............this is true one turbo working after the other........not inline

the turbos maybe sequentialy mounted but doesnt mean they are working sequentialy

and i will get some proof on the JZA80 electronic sequential system sometime

BTW i have also worked on many MANY turbo charged cars aswell
 
A sequential turbo works by having 1 spool earlier, and the second gradually gets its spool as the ECU allows more and more exhaust gasses to pass through it untill its at full spool. It gives pressure to actuators which open and close VSV valves which tell it to pass boost pressure or stop it.

^-summary for those who dont want to read this

Somewhere around 3500 rpm in a toyota supra, the ECU sends a signal to the exhaust gas bypass valve VSV, which allows manifold pressure to build in the exhaust gas bypass valve actuator which opens the bypass valve. This is a small opening inside the #2 turbine housing which allows some exhaust gas to go through the turbine of the #2 turbo which makes it start spinning, and dumps the exhaust gas out the exhaust piping coming off of #1 turbo. Since it is a small amount of exhaust gas, it pre-spools the turbo and does not get it up to full operating speeds. This will smooth out the transition from 1 to 2 turbos. This valve is similar to a wastegate in design, but is located after the turbine wheel instead of in front of the turbine wheel like a wastegate would be. This is not a wastegate.

the Exhaust Gas control valve is located in the exhaust piping downstream of the #2 turbo. When this valve is closed, all exhaust gas must go through the #1 turbine wheel to get out through the rest of the exhaust system. At around 4000 rpm, the ECU sends a signal to the exhaust gas control valve VSV, which allows manifold pressure to build in the exhaust gas control valve actuator which opens the control valve. This allows exhaust gas to go through #2 turbo and out the exhaust system which brings the #2 turbo up to full operating speed and make full boost.
The intake Air control valve is located in the intake tract coming off of #2 turbo. It is closed below 4000 rpm so that boost pressure coming off of #1 turbo cannot backup through the #2 turbo and back out the air cleaner/suction of #1 turbo. There is also a 1 way reed valve within the same housing of the intake air control valve. As the #2 turbo starts to prespin at 3500 rpm, it will build some boost. If it builds enough boost, it will open the 1 way reed valve to allow this boost into the intake tract to join with the discharge boost pressure coming off of #1 turbo. At somewhere over 4000 rpm, the ECU sends a signal to the intake air control valve VSV, which allows manifold pressure to build in the intake air control valve actuator which opens the control valve. This allows the full boost pressure coming off #2 turbo to join in with that coming from #1 turbo and you are now fully on line. Usually, the exhaust gas control valve will open first, which gets the #2 turbo spinning at full rate so that it is building good boost before the intake air control valve opens, allowing this boost to join in with that coming off #1 turbo. If the intake air control valve opens before the exhaust gas control valve, the boost pressure coming off #1 turbo will go backwards through #2 turbo, spinning it backwards if there isn't sufficient exhaust energy to keep it spinning forward. When the exhaust gas control valve opens, and the #2 turbo has to reverse the direction of the spin. This is a tremendous strain on the turbo shaft and bearings. If the sequential operation is not a well orchestrated symphony of motion, it is easy to see how the #2 turbo is the one that always fails.


VSV - short for vacuum switching valve. It is just an electronic solenoid, which either opens or closes 100% when energized. This will allow the VSV to either pass boost pressure through it from the actuators(like the wastegate actuator) or block it off.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is how a sequential twin turbo setup operates..
 
Viper; I guess you missed my other post.

"You can disable the sequential setup in most sequentially equipped car's, but the turbo's will still aesthetically be "sequential" or "in-line".

Do you know what Aesthetic mean's?
I never said, if the turbo's were on a manifold sequentially, they are sequentially operated.

I seem eager to prove people wrong? I'm glad you got that impression, Captain Obvious.


I made my point, it would of been nice if you had one, but it's alright. BACK ON TOPIC.
 
ok thats fine i miss read what you said in one of your earlier post about aesthetically they are sequential

but i am still sure i read somewhere that the jza80 supra uses a electronic valves to control the sequential turbo operation


oh and driftster thats exactly what i was talking about
 
yeah cool, did you find it on the net somewhere?

oh yeah and BTW the reason i got abit carried away is because when people talk about sequential turboing they usually talk about the turbo system not how they layed out

the thought didnt come in my head you guys were all talking about which cars have the turbos mounted sequentially

and i have to admit, im not one that reads posts closely i just skim through most of them thats why i missed out on a few important points
 
Define "Twin-Scroll Turbos"...

*lights the blue touchpaper and retreats*
 
Originally posted by Driftster
A sequential turbo works by having 1 spool earlier, and the second gradually gets its spool as the ECU allows more and more exhaust gasses to pass through it untill its at full spool. It gives pressure to actuators which open and close VSV valves which tell it to pass boost pressure or stop it.
Yoy the man, drifster. 👍
 
What a twin-scroll turbo is the twin scroll is just a more advanced tubine housing design that helps to enhance exhaust gass energy utilization while minimizing ehxaust manifold backpressure and hence potential for reversion.

Think of your average inline 4 cylinder. Ever notice how in 4-2-1 headers they always pair cylinder 1 with 4 and cylinder 2 with 3 when merging the 4 pipes into the 2 secondaries? The basic firing order dictates that pairing these cylinders together will give the longest possible gap between exhaust pulses traveling through the pipes, thus enhancing flow while minimizing reversion. The twin scroll operates with the same basic principle in mind: keep the cylinders firing into an exhaust pipe that isn't already stuffed full of exhaust from an adjacent cylinder. With turbo cars this can be especially important as at higher RPM exhaust backpressure is usually significantly higher than atmospheric pressure, and often higher than intake manifold pressure as well.

So the twin scroll creates two exhaust paths instead of one, allowing for that increased separation in exhaust flow that is key to keeping everything from stacking up behind the turbo and causing reversion. It also helps to preserve the exhaust velocity of each pulse by offering a smaller overall volume to hold each one, so the turbine impeller is more easily spun up by a given total amount of flow than an equivalent single scroll design. Or at least that's the theory behind them.
 
lol this is why i love this website, the photo and video place is my favorite forum, but i come here every once in a while, quite entertaining
i think its funny that the people writing these things could be 12 for all anyone knows, lol goooo Z
 
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